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To novaks surrogate:
First and foremost, I do not take kindly to being referred to as a tool, imbecile and inane... his first post was a diatribe of insults hurled at me for making a facetious remark. If you enter a room and immediately start calling others names and coming off as some kind of brutish ubermensch, you better be prepared to take some heat... if that eludes the two of you, then I can't help you.
I wasn't referring to you as a tool, imbacile or inane. in fact i belive i called you intelligent, which i assume is the opposite of imbacile. his first post was many things, because he was responding to the critisicms on this post. though i bet none of you ever assumed that the topic of your criticisms would actually read them and respond. so if i can continue being a school child for another second...u started it. Rio and sum other guy (on page 2) would quote you then type Go V or good to see you V, like a weary warrior would welcome fresh reinforcements. if you wish to see yourself as a tool go ahead, for i was not implying or suggesting that. If i physically walked into a room with novak and started calling people names, unless alcohol had been consumed people would ignore us, avoid eye contact and hope we go away. if they wanted to give us some 'heat', well we would put our money where our mouth is
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Second, I never called a truce, merely wearied of the grade-school playyard bullshit.
As I stated I share the same disdain for the decadence, weakness and cattle mentality which engulfs society, as represented by the church, and was willing to let the past slip further into the past and move forward in an intelligent way.
I don't know what school you went to, but at the schools i attended we argued primarily with out fists
So you wished to start a meaningful conversation with novak with both of you agreeing on major principles (the main objection is you disagreeing burning a church would achieve anything) without declaring at least some sort of unspoken truce. i believe that when you asked to discuss things with novak and saying that you two share common beliefs and let bygones be bygones, it implies a sort of truce during negotiations. Because to ignore the past a clean slate has to exist between the 2 parties. this is done by truce, for a truce ends wars, it doesn't always declare a winner and loser, if that is what you are afraid of being labelled as, a loser.
Also after you said let the past be in the past and you agree with some of novak's beliefs i did notice many people also swing into novak's favour, which would support my repsonse to your first point. you can be modest if you wish, but you weild influence on this forum.
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Third, your freinds rants and put downs have become tiresome and the fact that he chooses to continue with the rudeness ("put a bullet in your skull, so I don't have to read your stupidity" or whatever it was) warrants my suggestion to learn
some manners, or get lost...
That still doesn't answer my question. what will you do if novak ignores your (believed) warrented suggestion to learn manners, and also if he has to learn manners, it implys he has none at this moment
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Fourth and most importantly, since you seem to be acting as his mouthpiece, what about the recantaion?
As you may, or may not know, prison sex has very little to do with genuine homosexuality. It is all about domination and power...
so your claim regarding Aussies and homosexuality (though I don't buy it, anyway) has no bearing at all. Or is it that he shows remorse? Either way, his latest saga of drama is a display of weakness; either you are true enough to go to prison and take it like a man, thereby remaining loyal to your actions or you stand by your beleifs.
Your freind has lost an enormous amount of credibility by saying "I am sorry"...
I never claimed to be novak's mouthpiece, nor did i think i gave off that impression. i would like to clarify that...now
What is so powerful and dominating about something real men go out of their way to beat up? perhaps in prisons over seas this is the case. but in australian prisons the domination and power continues from the domination and power someone weilded on the outside. they bring it to the inside. also they bring respect. if someone isn't respected, it doesn't matter how much domination and power they had on the outside, they will get beaten or stabbed. having sex with another prisoner is a great way to lose respect in australian prisons, becuase most aussie prisoners grew up in the 60's and 70's when gays were seen as subhumans. these prisoners still see them as subhumans, however with this new metrosexuality and tolerence we are being brought up on, your domination and power thing because you play hide the salami in the dirt path may become a reality in a couple of decades
Novak never recanted. he aplogised for somethings, like being caught. so his latest saga of drama is not a sign of weakness.
If novak stayed true to his actions and his beliefs (though according to the above he can't do both, as he can stay loyal to his actions OR stand by his beliefs), he wouldn't take it like a man. he would fight to the death, than be jabed in the ass.
So novak lost credibility because you thought he apologsed? this implys he had credibility. also he lost credibility in your eyes anyway, for you do not speak for the billions on this planet. this means you gave him credit. i hope he is once again credible in your eyes, for you know he hasn't apologised. in case novak ever actually contemplates apologising, im sure he wont, soley for the reason you will think less of him. though apologising would give him credit in the eyes of the judge
PS where did you hear/read all this crap about novak apologising? can you please post a link if possible, thanks. it would be of great help to know what crap has been written so i or novak can clarify it.
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The Big Fucking V.
It's great you have chosen this name, your not so modest after all