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Umm Allende was elected and his election was surrounded by a bunch of FBI/CIA interference.


Definitelly was a democratically elected leader. And was definitely toppled by a CIA sponsored coup.


And definitely went against democratic checks and barriers, making him a dictator.
Just curious what you mean by this, I'm really not sure. I know he gained like 4% more than the other two candidates but without 50% he had to be chosen by their legislator.


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Not on about his election, where he gained a percentage but not a majority, but later, where he rode over something like 7000 supreme court decisions. Let's also not forget that Pinochet worked for Allende before seizing power. Whole situation is a mass of shades of grey - offtrack, but are there any Chilean films about it worth watching, does anyone know?


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Goat wrote:
Not on about his election, where he gained a percentage but not a majority, but later, where he rode over something like 7000 supreme court decisions.
My internet search is failing on details but I would imagine a Marxist who was trying to enact the changes that most Marxists would desire he would have to step on the toes of some people. This may just be a problem in Marxism that when you're trying to seize power from those who have it; it can't really be done smoothly. For example, Obama is pussy-footing it in terms of enacting leftist change yet the right loves to talk about the Obama-Pelosi regime and how dictatorial they are with healthcare legislation of all things. Imagine trying to instill actual working class control, it would be a nightmare.

Just because Pinochet worked for Allende is a bogus connection. I work for people but it doesn't mean I have the same views as them. If I blockaded their house in an attempt to overthrow them then I obviously don't approve of what they're doing. There is also reports of FBI disinformation leading to Pinochet's coup so I'm really unsure just how much America was involved in encouraging it.


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From what I've read the American involvement in the coup was less than is bandied around, but it's hard finding unbiased sources. And come on, working for a company is one thing, but having a man like Pinochet on the books (who was putting people in camps under Allende's regime) is quite another. Ultimately, as I said, there was no black-or-white answers. Some of the people Pinochet 'disappeared' were almost certainly Marxist terrorists - a majority, if you believe some sources. Does that make it right by modern standards? Not at all. Did he stabilise the country and prevent a possibly worse crisis? Quite possibly. Neither of them were clean by any stretch of the imagination.


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If someone refuses to listen to Nokturnal Mortum's latest album because of some previously questionable views, then they are missing out on one of the best black/pagan metal albums of the past 10 years.


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Why are some of you guys so nuts in blacklisting this band? What alleged lyrics are you guys referring to? I've seen nothing remotely NSBM about them outside of the NeChrist album and maybe 1 song off of Weltanschauung

It's Ukrainian nationalist black metal, not Nazi black metal, IMO if you're going to look at their body of work and not pigeonhole them off a few songs


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
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CotB, I've tried explaining that. But maybe the bright thing of communist genocides is that anyone could be killed instead of just a single ethnic group. Now there's progress :)


It bears mentioning that Stalin directed specifically ethnic persecutions against Jews, Ukrainians, Poles, and others when it suited him to do so. The man sure was fond of killing.


Ukrainians were killed en masse to the tune of 5-7 million in the 30's

Kazakhs were exterminated to about a million

hundreds of thousands of poles and ukrainians were ethnically cleansed and removed from their homes to make for racially pure, homogeneous soviet/communist republics

Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians were all targetted


Yeah, sure, "anyone" could be killed if you aren't part of the master Russkiy race :rolleyes:


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Lvivske wrote:
It's Ukrainian nationalist black metal, not Nazi black metal, IMO

Those are interchangeable terms to our leftist friends on the forum.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Lvivske wrote:
It's Ukrainian nationalist black metal, not Nazi black metal, IMO

Those are interchangeable terms to our leftist friends on the forum.


Well of course, in Soviet rhetoric everyone who isn't a communist is a 'nationalist bandit' or some such nonsense


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