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There's jackshit evidence against him, Zad, you know this. The sex was consensual, no way he's a rapist.


You know we're not talking about Polanski, right? :wink:


Have you been following the thread on Ruthless at all? Chrissakes, the girls' stories keep changing, now the first one's claiming she was asleep. This is massive bullshit, a complete conspiracy against Assange.

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The timing makes me skeptical of the charges. imo it's a plan to pull attention away from the content being leaked and towards Wikileaks/Assange/censorship.


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http://takimag.com/article/julian_assan ... eden/print

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There's jackshit evidence against him, Zad, you know this. The sex was consensual, no way he's a rapist.


You know we're not talking about Polanski, right? :wink:


Have you been following the thread on Ruthless at all? Chrissakes, the girls' stories keep changing, now the first one's claiming she was asleep. This is massive bullshit, a complete conspiracy against Assange.


No, getting behind with Roofless. As hokey as the charges may seem to a bright young thing like you, women are allowed to change their minds mid-sex, and if the partner ignores their requests to stop, sorry, but that's sexual assault. I'm slightly bemused by how Assange is being treated as A. N. Hero here, when all he's basically doing is running a website. Wow, a website which leaked such amazing secrets as diplomats all hate each other and America doesn't always play by the Geneva Conventions? ZOMG! obviously The Man would do anything to shut such a hero up, including fabricate a strange, shaky rape allegation. Instead of, you know, emailing him some child porn and then arresting him for that fairly solid offence that will without doubt blacken his name irrevocably. Or shooting him in the face.

I don't often quote Liberal Conspiracy or left-wing feminists, but here's an example of when I agree with something from both -

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/12/04 ... n-assange/

I think on balance, Wikileaks is a good thing, not an amazing one. I think this has all been bigged up by a bored media, and I think that there are nutters on both sides of the argument. I'm certainly not going to take Assange being a pain in the arse to America as proof of his innocence, however, just as I'm waiting for proof of guilt before assuming it is true.


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Read the goddamm Takimag article, there was no assault. None at all. Just a couple of pissed off bitches whining about being played. Boo fucking hoo.

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Read it already. Oh look, a bunch of libertarians don't like social democratic Sweden's rape laws, quel surprise. And apparently the victims are to blame. Can't think where I've heard that before.


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Oh for fuck's sake, that's not what this case is at all. There was fully consensual sex in both cases, with no harm suffered at all, and the stories the women are telling keep changing because they have no fucking basis at all. The victims aren't "to blame", because there's nothing to be blamed for.

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Oh, development.
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Assange's London attorney, Mark Stephens, told AOL News today that Swedish prosecutors told him that Assange is wanted not for allegations of rape, as previously reported, but for something called "sex by surprise," which he said involves a fine of 5,000 kronor or about $715.

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As I said above, changing your mind/withdrawing consent is allowed even when you are a woman, and to assume that these allegations are untrue merely because people have a nerdboner for Assange is pretty distasteful. And that's not a new development, Fridge.


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As I said above, changing your mind/withdrawing consent is allowed even when you are a woman, and to assume that these allegations are untrue merely because people have a nerdboner for Assange is pretty distasteful. And that's not a new development, Fridge.


Changing your mind a full week post-coitus isn't allowed. What, it was fine for him to shag you without a johnny until you found out he did it to someone else as well? Fuck's sake.

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Let's see what the BBC says -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110

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Used his body weight to hold down Miss A in a sexual manner.
Had unprotected sex with Miss A when she had insisted on him using a condom.
Molested Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep.


Yes, Fridge, there is clearly nothing wrong with any of that.

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Let's see what the BBC says -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110

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Used his body weight to hold down Miss A in a sexual manner.
Had unprotected sex with Miss A when she had insisted on him using a condom.
Molested Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep.


Yes, Fridge, there is clearly nothing wrong with any of that.

:rolleyes:


Yeah, that's the current version. Until a few days ago no one had even mentioned sex while she was asleep.

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The women were bragging about sleeping with him afterwards.

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The phenomena of social networking through the internet and mobile phones constrains Swedish authorities from augmenting the evidence against Assange because it would look even less credible in the face of tweets by Anna Ardin and SMS texts by Sofia Wilén boasting of their respective conquests after the “crimes”.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/whe ... -go-along/

All I want to know is how much the women were paid.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... an-assange


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Dear Interpol:

As a longtime feminist activist, I have been overjoyed to discover your new commitment to engaging in global manhunts to arrest and prosecute men who behave like narcissistic jerks to women they are dating.

I see that Julian Assange is accused of having consensual sex with two women, in one case using a condom that broke. I understand, from the alleged victims' complaints to the media, that Assange is also accused of texting and tweeting in the taxi on the way to one of the women's apartments while on a date, and, disgustingly enough, 'reading stories about himself online' in the cab.

Both alleged victims are also upset that he began dating a second woman while still being in a relationship with the first. (Of course, as a feminist, I am also pleased that the alleged victims are using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings. That's what our brave suffragette foremothers intended!).

Thank you again, Interpol. I know you will now prioritize the global manhunt for 1.3 million guys I have heard similar complaints about personally in the US alone -- there is an entire fraternity at the University of Texas you need to arrest immediately. I also have firsthand information that John Smith in Providence, Rhode Island, went to a stag party -- with strippers! -- that his girlfriend wanted him to skip, and that Mark Levinson in Corvallis, Oregon, did not notice that his girlfriend got a really cute new haircut -- even though it was THREE INCHES SHORTER.

Terrorists. Go get 'em, Interpol!

Yours gratefully,

Naomi Wolf

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I'm glad you posted that, Fridge.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/n_9932/

Sexual assault: serious when it happens to Naomi Wolf, worthy of mockery when it happens to others.


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It was not sexual assault. The worst thing these women might have experienced is a bad shag. The charges were dropped, for chrissakes, and only reopened after the big wikileaks cable thing. Naomi Wolf's article about sexual harassment has different implications- it's about the social dynamics involved. These two Swedish girls are feminazis getting back at someone who was a bit too much of a player for their taste.

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These two Swedish girls are feminazis getting back at someone who was a bit too much of a player for their taste.


:lol: I like how you've turned 'rape whilst asleep' into 'being a player'.


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These two Swedish girls are feminazis getting back at someone who was a bit too much of a player for their taste.


:lol: I like how you've turned 'rape whilst asleep' into 'being a player'.


Again, the "raped while asleep" claim was pulled out of a fucking hat. There was no mention of it during the original charges.

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omg why does anyone even care about this


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