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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:06 pm 
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Took that Beliefnets quiz thing again.

1. Secular Humanism (100%):

• Belief in Deity
Not considered important. Most Humanists are atheists or agnostics.

• Incarnations
Same as above.

• Origin of Universe and Life
The scientific method is most respected as the means for revealing the mysteries of the origins of the universe and life.

• After Death
An afterlife or spiritual existence after death is not recognized.

• Why Evil?
No concept of “evil.” Reasons for wrongdoing are explored through scientific methods, e.g. through study of sociology, psychology, criminology.

• Salvation
No concept of afterlife or spiritual liberation or salvation. Realizing ones personal potential and working for the betterment of humanity through ethical consciousness and social works are considered paramount, but from a naturalistic rather than supernatural standpoint.

• Undeserved Suffering
No spiritual reasons but rather a matter of human vulnerability to misfortune, illness, and victimization.

• Contemporary Issues
The American Humanist Association endorses elective abortion. Other contemporary views include working for equality for homosexuals, gender equality, a secular approach to divorce and remarriage, working to end poverty, promoting peace and nonviolence, and environmental protection.


Sounds about right. But the test is a bit odd, I scored 76% on Theravada Buddhism while clearly not believing in any spiritual lols with karma and Nirvana and stuff like "Abortion is considered murder". Not sure where all those percentage came from. The scores are way too high.


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http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=136374

Jesus, a potential two years in prison for ripping up a Bible? Hope he "gets away" with it. :rolleyes:


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I support this verdict. It has long been my opinion that utterly stupid and cliché controversiality deserves tougher sentences. Shame it has to be him, though.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
I support this verdict. It has long been my opinion that utterly stupid and cliché controversiality deserves tougher sentences. Shame it has to be him, though.


What a ridiculous thing to say. Why should ripping up a book, any book, deserve prison?


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It's an obscene verdict. The European Court of Human Rights will never let this through.

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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
I support this verdict. It has long been my opinion that utterly stupid and cliché controversiality deserves tougher sentences. Shame it has to be him, though.


What a ridiculous thing to say. Why should ripping up a book, any book, deserve prison?

Bold for the reading-impaired.


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I don't know whether or not it should be punishable (if that is the law of the country, then, obviously it should) but ripping up a bible (oooh, how edgy; I guess he showed that bible who's boss!) is pretty fucking juvenile.


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Repeating something stupid makes it twice as bad, it doesn't double the meaning, surely?

:rolleyes: Surely, COTB, ripping up the Bible in Poland (where that can, amazingly, get you prison time) means more than it does, say, in England? Why is that ok to be punishable just because it's their law?


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http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=136374

Jesus, a potential two years in prison for ripping up a Bible? Hope he "gets away" with it. :rolleyes:


LOL, how childish of him, i would expect that from 14 year olds bedroom black metal bands, but Behemoth, aren't they a little old to be doing this stuff? Anyway, two years for this is pretty stupid.


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I don't know whether or not it should be punishable (if that is the law of the country, then, obviously it should) but ripping up a bible (oooh, how edgy; I guess he showed that bible who's boss!) is pretty fucking juvenile.


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Giving someone a two-year sentence in prison because he tore up a book? Now THAT'S what's juvenile.

Whether or not you say "Nergal was being silly and childish" or whatever, it doesn't really matter. It's an abortion of justice to send someone to prision for two years because he tore up A BOOK.


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Just because a law is "silly" or I don't agree with it, I can just go around breaking them?

It's their country, their laws (if it is indeed illegal to tear up a bible, I really have no idea, though I'm thinking yes, hence the charges)any opinion on whether the law is a reasonable one or not has zero relevance.
Mr. Scary Evil Tuff Guy may be looking at prison time, haha... you mess with the bull, you get the horns.


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It says in the article that he's charged with "offending Roman Catholics."

He tore up the bible at a show, as a part of the show in his band that has decidedly anti-Chrstian lyrics. It's not like he stormed into the middle of a Sunday mass and tore up a bible there. He was performing in a Behemoth show. If anyone there was offended, then why would they be there in the first place? They make no secret of their anti-Christian sentiments, so even if a Chrsitian was at that show, you'd think they would know what to expect.

It's a silly charge, even if it is part of the law. Just because it's "law" doesn't make it "justice" or "right". People are way too sensitive. It's ridiculous.


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I like how if it was a westerner charged with tearing up a Koran COTB and Karmo would be all 'fuck no!'.

And like LOTN is saying, it's not a specific rule against destroying Bibles, but offending Catholics, some minor law that has been trumped up by a right-wing Christian politician if I'm informed correctly. Something plenty of Metal bands could fall foul of, including bands that you're actually a fan of. All very well lolling because he wears a costume, ffs, what has that to do with anything?

Still, surprised this isn't bigger news. The frontman of an extreme metal band facing prison time, not for burning churchiz or assault and threatening to drink blood, but for... offending Catholics. I ask you, where would underground metal be if it wasn't allowed a l'il bit of christhatred? You'd all be listening to disco, that's where it'd be. Perhaps.


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I like how if it was a westerner charged with tearing up a Koran COTB and Karmo would be all 'fuck no!'.

And like LOTN is saying, it's not a specific rule against destroying Bibles, but offending Catholics, some minor law that has been trumped up by a right-wing Christian politician if I'm informed correctly. Something plenty of Metal bands could fall foul of, including bands that you're actually a fan of. All very well lolling because he wears a costume, ffs, what has that to do with anything?

Still, surprised this isn't bigger news. The frontman of an extreme metal band facing prison time, not for burning churchiz or assault and threatening to drink blood, but for... offending Catholics. I ask you, where would underground metal be if it wasn't allowed a l'il bit of christhatred? You'd all be listening to disco, that's where it'd be. Perhaps.


Err, actually you're wrong. If a westerner was caught tearing up a Koran in a country where it was illegal to do so, I would hold the same opinion.
Do I agree with the laws? Not really, but anybody stupid enough to break them and get caught has no room to complain.

In some countries, holocaust denial is illegal... in America they are considering the hanging of a noose in public a "hate crime"... which is left-wing absurdity at it's worst. But if one is dumb enough to publicly break those laws, they should pay the price.

This whole "anti-Christian, uber-blasphemous, trying oh-so-hard-to-be-evil christ-slaughtering-nun-raping-blood-drinking schtick" is not only worn threadbare, but is something I'd expect from a mentally stunted juvenile. It was a novelty a long long time ago, but now it's just embarassing and, perhaps worse, boring. Fuck him, maybe his facing jail time will force him to grow up a little, though I doubt it.

Oh and one other thing: I am not a "fan" of any band; I enjoy the music certain bands produce, and some admittedly much more than others, but that's where it begins and ends. I have no interest in their personal lives, philosophy regarding life and death, or political views and couldn't care less if I ever got to meet any of them. Other than their CD's, I don't buy merchandise.
And if anyone in any particular band that I so happen to listen to acts like a twat, and gets himself thrown in jail because of it, my opinion remains the same.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
Just because a law is "silly" or I don't agree with it, I can just go around breaking them?

It's their country, their laws (if it is indeed illegal to tear up a bible, I really have no idea, though I'm thinking yes, hence the charges)any opinion on whether the law is a reasonable one or not has zero relevance.
Mr. Scary Evil Tuff Guy may be looking at prison time, haha... you mess with the bull, you get the horns.


Don't get this logic. You could say that US declaring independence was completely illegitimate because it was against the law. Whether the law was a good one or not is of the upmost relevance to the way we judge that event.

A lot of laws only get changed because it becomes clear that govrnment can't enforce something that it has previously been trying to enforce. e.g. prohibition. Far from being idiots who deserved punishment (although they may have been that as well), the people who went drinking illegally were probably contributing to the withdrawal of a crazy, oppressive law.


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It says in the article that he's charged with "offending Roman Catholics."

He tore up the bible at a show, as a part of the show in his band that has decidedly anti-Chrstian lyrics. It's not like he stormed into the middle of a Sunday mass and tore up a bible there. He was performing in a Behemoth show. If anyone there was offended, then why would they be there in the first place? They make no secret of their anti-Christian sentiments, so even if a Chrsitian was at that show, you'd think they would know what to expect.

It's a silly charge, even if it is part of the law. Just because it's "law" doesn't make it "justice" or "right". People are way too sensitive. It's ridiculous.


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This is so fucking ridiculous. Good thing Nergal's well-educated, I doubt he'll take this sitting down. Being cross-examinated by some dumbass lawyer should be a cake walk for him.

Seriously, COTB, you weren't even a little on Dee Snider's side when he was in front of Tipper Gore?


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