traptunderice wrote:
What you're saying is completely contradictory to Marx's writings and it makes me just realize you can distort anything as being an evil of capitalism. When people are free from God, then they are free to put their faith in themselves whether that leads to surmounting or submitting to capitalism isn't based on atheism but on their class consciousness.
Religious societies are sick. The ones that have want use religion like a crutch and without that crutch maybe they could move forward to developing a class consciousness and overthrowing those who oppress them. Religion in Africa has created witchcraft hunts in the slums; it has done nothing to turn those slums into livable habitats.
Human beings thought they were kings of the universe even when God was still around in their minds; they were just kings with divine backing then.
Indeed... "Marxism" pre-Lenin was supposed to be about rational enquiry and a materialist analysis of the scientific laws of society. The idea that Marx would have seen the atheistic, materialistic West as a "disease" contaminating the good, spiritual third world is completely laughable.
Dude, did you ever read Winstanley? If you can get round the Olde Englishe, it's inspirational.
http://www.rogerlovejoy.co.uk/philosoph ... ggers2.htmHe was quite possibly the first person in Europe to advocate "communist" ideas (although obv. the term didn't exist then). He said that all existing hierarchy was based on the oppressive manipulation of religion, and originally accumulated, of course, by violent means. As such, people had to find God within themselves, using their own Reason, rather than receiving scripture from above, which was simply a manifestation of the existing power structure. In effect, human Reason IS God.
And the "Fall", i.e. the snake giving Eve the apple, is a metaphor for the first man obtaining domination over another.
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O what mighty Delusion, do you, who are the powers of England live in! That while you pretend to throw down that Norman yoke, and Babylonish power, and have promised to make the groaning people of England a Free People; yet you still lift up that Norman yoke, and slavish Tyranny, and holds the People as much in bondage, as the Bastard Conquerour himself, and his Councel of War.
Take notice, That England is not a Free People, till the Poor that have no Land, have a free allowance to dig and labour the Commons, and so live as Comfortably as the Landlords that live in their Inclosures. For the People have not laid out their Monies, and shed their Bloud, that their Landlords, theNorman power, should still have its liberty and freedom to rule in Tyranny in his Lords, landlords, Judges, Justices, Bayliffs, and State Servants; but that the Oppressed might be set Free, Prison doors opened, and the Poor peoples hearts comforted by an universal Consent of making the Earth a Common Treasury, that they may live together as one House of Israel, united in brotherly love into one Spirit; and having a comfortable livelihood in the Community of one Earth their Mother.
If you look through the Earth, you shall see, That the landlords, Teachers and Rulers, are Oppressors, Murtherers, and Theeves in this manner; But it was not thus from the Beginning. And this is one Reason of our digging and labouring the Earth one with another; That we might work in righteousness, and lift up the Creation from bondage: For so long as we own Landlords in this Corrupt Settlement, we cannot work in righteousness; for we should still lift up the Curse, and tread down the Creation, dishonour the Spirit of universal Liberty, and hinder the work of Restauration.