Metal Reviews

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I'd forgotten that Metallica are the only band whose songs exceed the 4-5 minute mark. Thanks for reminding me about this rarity in metal music.

This is a prime example of the stupid shit that is being said in this thread. 9 minute songs aren't thrash songs with repeated riffs (unless it is the shitfest which is Exodus' newest). 9 minute songs have a variety, ie: several, of riffs and are progressive or doom albums which build on the riffs.

Your simply reading what you want to read here... I never said that Metallica where the only ones with 9 minutes songs.... that would be moronic. The concencus though is that in general the average Metal song is 4-5 minutes long and I was comparing the common repetitions
found in those to Metallica's 9 minute long repetitive non progressive approach. Obviously 9 minutes is too long for a Metallica song if they are going to have so much repetition.
my point is you'll tire lot more of a 9 minute repetitive song than a 4-5 minute one.


It's not like a dream theater or Porcupine tree or Opeth song that varies, shift tempos ect... which limits repetition and makes things a lot more interesting.

Yes, which Metallica doesn't have on Death Magnetic.
You seem to be agreeing and comprehending what I was trying to verbalize, while the other poster above, seems to take what I said out of context to nullify my opinion or make me seem incompetent.

I don't mean to be a jerk (it just comes naturally) But I think you are talking completely out of your ass. So far up your ass in fact, you're getting a sore throat.

There's not more repetition of riffs in these songs than there is in the average song of similar length and type, which is what matters. Unless you're saying you just don't like songs longer than 5 minutes, in which case can I come in here and whinge that if the songs were only 3 minutes long there would be even LESS repetition of riffs? That would be pretty silly don't you think?


Actually, I think it is. Thats a way I would describe most of these songs. I think they change it up at mostly all the right times.

At the end of the day, if you like the riffs, you want them to be repeated. If you don't, you don't. Just say you don't like the riffs and be done with it.

Because this is not more repetitive than most of this bands 80's output that is held in such high esteem. So if its a criticism of this album, its should be a criticism of their career essentially, are you making such a claim?

You don't mean to be a jerk?! What the hell are you talking about... you are one !

Let's look at the numbers here:
Kill em All : 1 song over 7 minutes
Ride the Lightning: 1 song over 7 minutes
Master : 3 songs over 7 minutes
And Justice : 4 songs over 7 minutes
Death Magnetic: 7 fucking songs over 7 minutes on a total of 10 thats 70% percent of the songs if you know how to calculate.

So yeah Death Magnetic has a crazy amount of repetition due to the sheer length of the bulk of songs on the album. Like mentioned before the fact that some of the riffs seem tacked on one after another makes the flow of some of the songs mediocre at best which makes the repetitions seem worse. And no the riffs are not varied enough, and they don't even have variants (riffs derived from a main riff) to make it less repetitive. Take the instrumental for example, same riff repeated over and over especially towards the end with little or no variation at all.

Now if you don't agree with my opinion fine, but you don't have to be so fucking rude and arrogant about it. If you can't argue in a civilized matter without sounding fucking condescending then abstain yourself from commenting you prick.

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Let's keep it friendly, guys.

Oh, I’m the prick? That must make you the really nice guy who’s way too nice to resort to childish name-calling. Hi.

But should you by chance ever want to venture down the path my way, I’ll give you a smidgen of advise. Its probably not going to have much of an impact if you just repeat a self-deprecating joke ‘the jerk’ just made about himself, right back at him. Just sayin’

And well, those facts certainly sound damming. Especially because I was arguing that there are not more 7min plus songs on Death Magnetic than any other Metallica album. It really was the crux of my entire argument…oh wait.
But I guess its still an excellent point. I suppose if song A is 30 seconds longer than song B, it must be 30 seconds more of one riff played over & over for no reason. I mean what else could it be?

You’ve won me over. I sure wish Metallica would go back to writing instrumentals like To Live Is To Die which are 5 minutes long and don’t repeat the same riff twice.

Oh and I’ll probably keep stating my opinion in the way I choose, regardless of how much it ruffles your neither lips. Just a heads up there big guy. (unless you're a moderator or something, in which case I apologize profusely and will endeavor to alter my posting style to one of your choosing. )

I'm a moderator. I repeat:

Let's keep it friendly, guys.

Then I promise to apologize after I say something prickish to you. Cus' I'm a good guy.

Yeah I agree with you bazaar.

Metallica took riffs which should've been songs which are 4-6 minutes long. I'm not saying that every song Metallica on DM has this problem but for the most part it is true. If Metallica would've been like Slough Feg, for example, and add a variance to each time they played the riff this would be an entirely different story. If they'd had cut this album to songlengths present on the s/t than this album would've stood the test of time better I believe.

I don't know what you are complaining about the length of the songs. Dream Theaters Train of Thought has 7 Songs and 1 is unter 3, 1 is over 7 and 5 are over 10 Minutes. Maybe there are less repeating riffs, but it doesn't make the songs better. In contrast to it, maybe DM has more repeating riffs, BUT it gives the Songs a clearer structure. The same goes for Opeth in general. Yes it's proggy, yes it has a lot of variation, yes the songs are long BUT I'm missing a direction, a structure, a point where it's focusing.

AND not to forget, the longest songs of Metallica weren't always the baddest. Master of Puppets, Disposable Heroes, And Justice For All, The Frayed Ends of Sanity, One...

BTW, the 7 minute plus songs of DM have all more variety than 5 Minute Songs of Exodus...(e.g.)

Are you seriously trying to compare a Dream Theater 7 minute song with a Death Magnetic Song ? Dream Theater has so much more going on than Metallica on their songs. First of all the instrumentation is so much more varied overall, drums, guitar, bass, keyboards and vocals that the whole thing is usually pretty much. But on Death Magnetic what dow we have as a focus point ? Certainly not the Bass, we can't here the damn thing, certainly not the drums, the y vary little and certainly not the vocals. So all the main attention is on the guitar playing which is good but too repetitive for my tastes.

I'm using the the length of the songs to explain why I perceive as a whole that there is too much repetition in the guitar riffs. Some of the Songs on Death Magnetic would be better under the 5-6 minute format and would be more straight to the point instead of circling around for 8-9 minutes with the same Riff. Now by looking at their back catalog you can see how that's what they usually did and that's the point I was trying to make.

in short I believe the LENGTH is the culprit of the tiring repetitions on SOME of the songs.

But while DT are more focusing on the individual musicians, Metallica are making songs as a whole band. This are different approaches but not implicitly wrong.

And I don't see on DM that much repeating. Only Broken Beat and Scarred stands out, where there's almost always only one vocal line but aside from that, even if it's so, it doesn't bother me, because they made it always so.

Probably because the musicians in Metallica are individually piss-poor compared to Dream Theater.

Nearly every metal bands musicians are individually piss-poor compared to Dream Theater...