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Do You Think Metallica Can Make A Comeback?
Yes 21%  21%  [ 16 ]
No 47%  47%  [ 35 ]
Ehhh, let's just wait and see 32%  32%  [ 24 ]
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And the instrumental is IMO one of the best instrumentals they ever made.


Better than (Anesthesia) Pulling Teeth, The Call of Ktulu and Orion? :blink:
No sir, you are just wrong! :rolleyes:


Better than Pulling Teath? Yes!
Better than The Call of Kthulhu? Yea!
Better than Orion? Yes!
Better than To Live Is To Die? Hmmm...on the same level.


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Interesting that there aren't any reviews of this up at Metal Archives yet. Was expecting some sort of "1% St Anger 2", but no, not even!


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didn't you guys expect non-metal zines and papers to eat this shit up like chocolate?

And, not forgetting all the fanboys lining up to get a facial?

This album is good but far from great. Barely 60/100 for me.
I think you are expection too much. Come on, someone said that if DM would came after AJFA, it would be a let down - BUT - the Black Album WAS a let down. On this side we have the ultra complex AJFA with 7 minutes plus monster songs, on the other we have the radio compatible Black Album with 4-5 Minute simple Metal Songs. And then came Load and Reload with even more radio compatible country heavy rock songs, that have had nothing to do with Metallica. St. Anger was more thrash and metal, but the sound was awful. Compared to this, Death Magnetic IS 100% 80s compatible Thrash Metal and exact THAT what I - as a big Metallica Fan - would expect from a Band like Metallica.

And as far Thrash Metal goes: I don't want reinventing the genre. Thrash is as good as it is, and so is Death Magnetic.


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didn't you guys expect non-metal zines and papers to eat this shit up like chocolate?

And, not forgetting all the fanboys lining up to get a facial?

This album is good but far from great. Barely 60/100 for me.
I think you are expection too much. Come on, someone said that if DM would came after AJFA, it would be a let down - BUT - the Black Album WAS a let down. On this side we have the ultra complex AJFA with 7 minutes plus monster songs, on the other we have the radio compatible Black Album with 4-5 Minute simple Metal Songs. And then came Load and Reload with even more radio compatible country heavy rock songs, that have had nothing to do with Metallica. St. Anger was more thrash and metal, but the sound was awful. Compared to this, Death Magnetic IS 100% 80s compatible Thrash Metal and exact THAT what I - as a big Metallica Fan - would expect from a Band like Metallica.

And as far Thrash Metal goes: I don't want reinventing the genre. Thrash is as good as it is, and so is Death Magnetic. It's more 80s than the last Megadeth or Slayer records.


Meh, I realise this boils down to personal taste, but the s/t album made up for the simpler songs with the songwriting, which is pretty great and means it's barely aged since then. Sure, wimpy, but then so was One... *ducks*


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Meh, I realise this boils down to personal taste, but the s/t album made up for the simpler songs with the songwriting, which is pretty great and means it's barely aged since then. Sure, wimpy, but then so was One... *ducks*


Sure, but DM has also great songs, which maybe need some time if they shine. E.G. Cyanide. Or The Day That Never Comes. Or My Apcalypse. Or That Was Just Your Life. Or End Of The Line.

And as far as the sound quality goes, I'm waiting for the CD tomorrow, and if the sound is still a little bit overdriven and the drums too much in the foreground...then I think it could be a little bit better. :wink:


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Meh, I realise this boils down to personal taste, but the s/t album made up for the simpler songs with the songwriting, which is pretty great and means it's barely aged since then. Sure, wimpy, but then so was One... *ducks*


Sure, but DM has also great songs, which maybe need some time if they shine. E.G. Cyanide. Or The Day That Never Comes. Or My Apcalypse. Or That Was Just Your Life. Or End Of The Line.

And as far as the sound quality goes, I'm waiting for the CD tomorrow, and if the sound is still a little bit overdriven and the drums too much in the foreground...then I think it could be a little bit better. :wink:


Oh, sure, they're pretty much my favourite songs from DM too, but they haven't got the huge, massive, quality that the s/t ones do. I probably know that album by heart.

Also waiting for CD...


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And as far Thrash Metal goes: I don't want reinventing the genre. Thrash is as good as it is, and so is Death Magnetic.


I agree...to an extent

I'm one of those guy who likes changes, from time to time.

For example, I quite like Outcast by Kreator.


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Meh, I realise this boils down to personal taste, but the s/t album made up for the simpler songs with the songwriting, which is pretty great and means it's barely aged since then. Sure, wimpy, but then so was One... *ducks*


Sure, but DM has also great songs, which maybe need some time if they shine. E.G. Cyanide. Or The Day That Never Comes. Or My Apcalypse. Or That Was Just Your Life. Or End Of The Line.

And as far as the sound quality goes, I'm waiting for the CD tomorrow, and if the sound is still a little bit overdriven and the drums too much in the foreground...then I think it could be a little bit better. :wink:


Oh, sure, they're pretty much my favourite songs from DM too, but they haven't got the huge, massive, quality that the s/t ones do. I probably know that album by heart.

Also waiting for CD...


To be honest, first time i heard DM, I was amazed...But I think that the surprise effect on songs dissapeared quickly.

But overall, I agree with you, in term of songs quality. IMO, There are only 2 on DM : That was just your life and All nightmare long. I think those two will pass the test of time.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
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didn't you guys expect non-metal zines and papers to eat this shit up like chocolate?

And, not forgetting all the fanboys lining up to get a facial?

This album is good but far from great. Barely 60/100 for me.
I think you are expection too much. Come on, someone said that if DM would came after AJFA, it would be a let down - BUT - the Black Album WAS a let down. On this side we have the ultra complex AJFA with 7 minutes plus monster songs, on the other we have the radio compatible Black Album with 4-5 Minute simple Metal Songs. And then came Load and Reload with even more radio compatible country heavy rock songs, that have had nothing to do with Metallica. St. Anger was more thrash and metal, but the sound was awful. Compared to this, Death Magnetic IS 100% 80s compatible Thrash Metal and exact THAT what I - as a big Metallica Fan - would expect from a Band like Metallica.

And as far Thrash Metal goes: I don't want reinventing the genre. Thrash is as good as it is, and so is Death Magnetic.


I'm one of those guys who likes s/t better than AJFA. It all boils down to personal taste. I probably don't like AJFA because it is boring and because of the pretty long songs. If this came after AJFA it would be even worse.

I think they're trying too hard to get back to their roots, and they piled up every riff that sounded thrashy onto this one. And honestly, I think it sounds half-assed.

Thats just my two cents, man. I may sound like one of those "love to hate Metallica"-asses, but I'm not. I gave this one a fair shot, and didn't like it very much.


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I'm one of those guys who likes s/t better than AJFA. It all boils down to personal taste. I probably don't like AJFA because it is boring and because of the pretty long songs. If this came after AJFA it would be even worse.


After the black album i discovered the first four and AJFA was my least favourite of the five. It had a bad sound, only "One" really good song and it was much to complex. BUT today, I can always find something new on "AJFA" while on the black album there is nothing more as was in 1992.

It's like comparing the Beatles to Dream Theater. Sometimes 3 minute songs are enough, but for the long term relevance, a 20 Minute epic has just more to offer.


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Ok, here everything complete, legal and for nothing: http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601231

Good Idea? I don't know. I think that 3-4 songs are ok, but the whole album?


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I guess they know everything is leaked and is being listened to. Their pre-order sales are already out the roof probably so what could it hurt?


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/09/06/bmpopcdmetallica106.xml/

St Anger was 'sensitive'?! Newspapers should not review Metal.


Actually, yes it was. In fact, that was a big part of the problem: It was too sensitive:

Oh, I hate it all. Why, why, why me?

Best metal album of the millennium? That's a pretty bold statement.


It wasn't sensitive! Sensitive albums sit you down and stroke your hand, whilst murmuring, 'there, there'. St Anger screams in your face and beats you around the head with a dustbin lid - and not in a good way.

Yes, DM is not the best album of the millenium, sorry folks.


Well, in that respect it definitely wasn't sensitive. I meant that it was sensitive in a "whoever wrote these songs is an overly sensitive (ie. emotionally unstable) person" way.


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I guess they know everything is leaked and is being listened to. Their pre-order sales are already out the roof probably so what could it hurt?


My copy's coming in the mail probably tomorrow, so I'll just wait until probably Saturday before listening to it.


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ladies and gentleman... there you have it....

the bigget album of the year leaked... and streamed before its even out.

This album will re-define rock in general. Its that damn goodof an album. As far as metal goes its what i was looking for from metallica. As a thrash album... it won't redifine anything... but it will show all the new kids and other bands how thrash is sopposed to be played in the 21st century. Its back to basic for Metallica but still moving foward.

The opening song "This Was Your Life" is a little weak for me. Its not a really strong opener nor is it the harshest song on the album as it should be. I was expecting Battery or Fight Fire with Fire. Its still a good song. It just didn't leap out for me right out the gates. A great intro, but it didn't blow up like it should. I just need a few more good listens i guess.

"The End of the Line" is "Master of Puppets" in a different skin. I was going insane while listening to this song. I was jumping around in circles. Nuff' said.

"The Unforgiven III" is the most unconventional song and progressive song Metallica has ever done. Pianos. Orchestra. A weird song structure. I couldn't tell which was the verse or the chorus, it all sounds very unconventional. It became a little heavy. Then a little bit melody. Then by the time the guitar solo hits im in awe. There are a lot of different melodies happening. Worthy to be called Unforgiven 3. I hear Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, and i swear i hear melody resembling gothenburg melodeath. Listen to the verses when it gets a little bit heavier and a little epic right before the verses. its the rythym guitar. A great song.

"Suicide and Redemption" is a contender for greatest instrumental. Is it better than Orion? I can't say yes, but i know that it is at that level. This is a great instrumental. I think Meatallica should do more of these. If Metallica released an instrumental album i'd buy it. The solos and melodies are so awesome on this song. It be like listening to old school Santana except with thrash metal instead of tribal rock.

Ive all ready posted my thoughts on the other tracks earlier. Overall this is a great album. But i think this album has to grow on people first. It will be the album that revives Metallica. Its a little bit progressive, a little bit mainstream, a little bit raw, a little bit melodic, a little bit heavy, a little bit underground, and a little bit thrashy. Its got all these elements that can't really pin metallica to one thing. You cannot say that this album is boring and repetitive. I say they tried thier best and succeded. The next album, if they decide to remain on course and create a new line of chronology of album just like Iron Maiden has with their last three, could be very progressive. This is the event of 2008. The album of 2008. Can't say anymore....


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get your ass back on earth man...! And before you get pissed off at me for saying that:
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I was expecting Battery or Fight Fire with Fire.
How could you expect that from them?

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but it will show all the new kids and other bands how thrash is sopposed to be played in the 21st century


This isn't by far a peer for other thrash bands. There are loads of other bands out there making better thrash than this.

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Worthy to be called Unforgiven 3
No, in my opinion not at all. Worst track on the album, and I know people agree with me here.

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I personally thought Unforgiven III was pretty good (IMO by far not the worst track on the album - probably The Judas Kiss is the worst song on DM, but thats just me).
Im still listening to the tracks since I just picked up the cd today (im currently in the UK and they sold it a day earlier than the original date). So far im really impressed and the songs are very good. The only two downsides of the album IMO is that the songs are a bit too long and I miss the bluesy/country elements of TBA and Load.


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"The Unforgiven III" is the most unconventional song and progressive song Metallica has ever done. Pianos. Orchestra. A weird song structure.


Oh my god, have you listened to Metallica before now? That piano intro is the musical equivalent of stock footage! They've had orchestras and stuff before, on a little-known album called S&M, and there was actually a Metallica album with progressive elements called ...And Justice For All, which was out many many years ago.

Seriously, your post made me :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:


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All right, so I'm going to listen to this fucker now. And I've got to say, so far I do like the first song, though it does have some weaknesses.


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[...]The only two downsides of the album IMO is that the songs are a bit too long and I miss the bluesy/country elements of TBA and Load.


Haha, that's the same thing - I'm NOT missing, because, that sucked on Load und Reload.


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