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Do You Think Metallica Can Make A Comeback?
Yes 21%  21%  [ 16 ]
No 47%  47%  [ 35 ]
Ehhh, let's just wait and see 32%  32%  [ 24 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:03 pm 
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5/3/// wrote:
There won't be any redemption for Metallica, people who hate them will continue hating them and the others, who already knew St Anger was nothing more than a simple mistake, will take Death Magnetic just for what it is: another album by a good band that used to be better than they are nowadays.
Anyway, like someone else said, it's still good to see Metallica back to their roots and if it's, like I think, an opportunistic move, at least it's a clever one.


Indeed, this is so true.


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I must say then that Metallica REALLY did a nice job of getting themselves into such a pickle.

I'd like to point out, though, that this is also the first serious attempt Metallica's made at returning to their roots (St. Anger was NOT a serious attempt at it IMO). So, much like with Megadeth's The World Needs A Hero, it should be obvious that Metallica will probably need at least one album to "regain their bearings", so to speak, and get back on track. Megadeth IMO did it with flying colors on The System Has Failed. I don't see why Metallica can't also do it, if not on Death Magnetic then at least on their next album. Assuming there will be one.


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I must say then that Metallica REALLY did a nice job of getting themselves into such a pickle.

I'd like to point out, though, that this is also the first serious attempt Metallica's made at returning to their roots (St. Anger was NOT a serious attempt at it IMO).


I've always thought the idea behind St Anger was a response to the "fans" who'd been yelling "play heavy, you fags!" since 1996. It certainly was heavy, but so is a hippo's arse.


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Seinfeld26 wrote:
I must say then that Metallica REALLY did a nice job of getting themselves into such a pickle.

I'd like to point out, though, that this is also the first serious attempt Metallica's made at returning to their roots (St. Anger was NOT a serious attempt at it IMO). So, much like with Megadeth's The World Needs A Hero, it should be obvious that Metallica will probably need at least one album to "regain their bearings", so to speak, and get back on track. Megadeth IMO did it with flying colors on The System Has Failed. I don't see why Metallica can't also do it, if not on Death Magnetic then at least on their next album. Assuming there will be one.


Yes, but unlike Meth Diabetic, The World Needs a Hero was actually a very experimental, diverse album. I think that DM is the best that we're going to get from Metallica in the near future... haven't Megadeth put more albums out than Metallica, anyways? They've had more of a gradual slant away from Thrash than Metallica's, I'd say.


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Seinfeld26 wrote:
I must say then that Metallica REALLY did a nice job of getting themselves into such a pickle.

I'd like to point out, though, that this is also the first serious attempt Metallica's made at returning to their roots (St. Anger was NOT a serious attempt at it IMO). So, much like with Megadeth's The World Needs A Hero, it should be obvious that Metallica will probably need at least one album to "regain their bearings", so to speak, and get back on track. Megadeth IMO did it with flying colors on The System Has Failed. I don't see why Metallica can't also do it, if not on Death Magnetic then at least on their next album. Assuming there will be one.


Yes, but unlike Meth Diabetic, The World Needs a Hero was actually a very experimental, diverse album. I think that DM is the best that we're going to get from Metallica in the near future... haven't Megadeth put more albums out than Metallica, anyways? They've had more of a gradual slant away from Thrash than Metallica's, I'd say.


Let's compare the two, shall we?

Metallica:

Kill'em All - Thrash
Ride The Lightning - Thrash
Master Of Puppets - Thrash
And Justice For All - Prog-Thrash
The Black Album - Hard Rock/Heavy Metal
Load - Hard Rock
ReLoad - Hard Rock
St. Anger - Convoluted Nu-Metal

Megadeth:

Killing Is My Business - Thrash
Peace Sells - Prog-Thrash
So Far, So Good, So What? - Thrash
Rust In Peace - Prog-Thrash
Countdown To Extinction - Semi-thrashy Heavy Metal
Youthanasia - Heavy Metal
Cryptic Writings - Heavy Metal (with a couple Hard Rock songs)
Risk - Hard Rock
The World Needs A Hero - Heavy Metal
The System Has Failed - Thrashy Heavy Metal
United Abominations - Thrashy Heavy Metal

I guess you're right. Although both bands, nonetheless, have had similar musical progressions.


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I love the pieces of the puzzle but not the puzzle once put together. I'd rate the puzzle a 3 out of 5 with an extra point for not being st.anger deux.


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Im pretty sure if any other group released this album it would have been "album of the month", but just because its Metallica then everyone thinks it sucks by default.


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Im pretty sure if any other group released this album it would have been "album of the month", but just because its Metallica then everyone thinks it sucks by default.


Oh, come on, you can hardly apply that old chestnut here. It's not like people are saying, 'my god, the riffs! the drums! incroyable! but what a horrific band logo...'


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RedHawk wrote:
Im pretty sure if any other group released this album it would have been "album of the month", but just because its Metallica then everyone thinks it sucks by default.


Uh, no.


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I've now heard the first half of the album and My Apocalypse and I must say I am very surprised. I could see it getting something like a 70-80/100 from me. Obviously I have to finish it, but I cant until tommorow and wanted to talk about it now, so suck my balls, everyone.

So far the opening song is my favorite, awesome awesome song. The Day That Never Comes and All Nightmare Long so far are 2 songs Im not a big fan of.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/se ... popandrock

Lars quotes Oasis, but otherwise not a bad Metal article from them.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:42 pm 
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Im pretty sure if any other group released this album it would have been "album of the month", but just because its Metallica then everyone thinks it sucks by default.


In a way, he does have a point. Metallica's gotten themselves in such a predicament that, no matter how good a new album is, there will ALWAYS be people saying that it sucks by default because it's Metallica. However, there will also always be people calling it a masterpiece, by default, for the same reason. Remember that even St. Anger was praised by critics like Allmusic and Amazon.com.

As I said before, unless may be Metallica decides to put the entire album up for streaming, I'm just going to wait until my copy comes in the mail before listening to it. This will probably be in about a week and a half.


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The vocals suck it's a fact. The drums are stale and boring, another fact.
Big improvement over St.Anger some good riffs here and there at least, but it's not by any means a great or even good THRASH album.


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im listening to some new songs posted on mission metallica.
Sounds good. Parts of riffs remind me of Black Sabbath. The solos and drumming are the best parts. James vocals feel realy Loadish. This is thrash, but the songs have this really new feel to them. Its not like im listening to old school metallica. This is an extremly blended album. There are tons of old school, bits of load, and i dare say.. a shade of St. Anger. When i first listened to St. Anger, it sounded like a completly different band. It sounded modern. I get the same feeling here, but in a positive way. i think this album is meant to reboot Metallica. Thety can't go back. They can only go foward. If the next album is anything like this but still progressing as they did with the first four, Metallica will be able to erase the past ten years. My mindset that will keep me from being dissapointed with this album is that Metallica is a completly new band. Therefore if i think that the past 25 years never happened, then this album will be the greatest modern metal album ever.


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Why should Metallica erase the last 10 years anyway?
Load & Reload were good albums, the covers' album had its moments and the symphonic live is pretty enjoyable...
All they needed done was proving the world they had made a mistake with St Anger and that mistake got corrected with Death Magnetic.


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And if there were no Load, Reload and St. Anger - nobody could and would complain about Death Magnetic. It fit's perfectly into the row of the first 4-5 albums.


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no?

The first 4 were great... this isn't.


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This is even greater. Ok, not really, but it has everything the first 4 had. Speed, power, thrash, complex structures, melodies, great riffs, metal. AND: Last but not least, they are using the original logo. :)


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It lacks: Good vocals, ripping solos, killer riffs, decent drums, and this has in no way complex structures.

It has: Good bass, some good riffs, too fucking long songs.


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correction... if you like the black album you will like this. while everybody is talking about how about the need to get back to the sound of the first four. what about fifth? Why not do a black album 2? I was switching back and forth between black and DM, and i figured it out. Death Magnetic is black album 2... sort of. As i posted earlier, DM really isn't an old school style album. Its a blended new breed. DM is a bit commercialized and catchy and in its own little world like TBA , but still very unpolished. Its also blended with ...And Justice For All. The drums and solos make that seem true. The Day That Never Comes would sit perfectly well in the black album. You are correct if you believe that this is a ntural progression from AJFA. Me personallythinks that this would be a natural progression from the Black Album. TBA is almost like a reboot. DM would be the next logical step if you went the heavy progressive route. Instead Metallica went the light route. So we got Load and Reload INSTEAD. I actually like Load and Reload by the way. If im in a country metal / led zeppelin mood i put it on. DM will be the best heavy metal comeback of 2008.


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