Metal Reviews

You're such an annoying, whiny twat. You always bring up some stupid shit about me liking nu-metal, like it has any relevance at all. Have some fucking integrity, or shut up. Saying you liked Papa Roach but then realized they stole every riff from Iron Maiden is a clear-cut example of some idiot following trends and making up nonsensical reasons to justify it. There is zero integrity in that sort of thinking.

Well....if you wanna get right down to it, pretty much every band that plays power/traditional/melodic death metal has stolen riffs from Iron Maiden in some manner or another. The only blatant iron maiden rip off from Papa Roach that I can think of was that main riff in "Last Resort".

Anyway, please be nice to each other. We all know that Ken listens to tons and tons of music, lots of Prog rock/metal from what he has said/reviewd before(quite the opposite of Nu Metal) and although he may enjoy some Nu metal, it is by no means an exclusive musical taste, nor one that should really be criticized in the long run.

However, I do agree with the idea that it is possible to stop liking something because you found something better/more fulfilling/more asskicking.

hey, "back in the day" i loved limp bizkit and the like, but looking back i do ask myself how i thought that was good. it's not just a matter of them being popular or un-metal, i still like the offspring and the prodigy, two bands un-metal and popular bands i already loved when i was 13-14.

you may have truly liked it back then but tastes can change!

I've not ever disputed that tastes change.

Well, I've been really been listening to metal for about a year now--yeah, I'm a n00b...I listened to some stuff before that, but really only Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, and Tool. But anyways, now I can't really stand to listen to the rock I listened to before I was into metal. I mean, no, I don't hate rock--but if someone asks me today if I like AC/DC (which used to be my favorite band, tied with Led Zeppelin...who I do still like, BTW), the honest answer would be "no". The other day I was looking at my iPod and thinking that the artists as a whole don't really represent my tastes very well at all.

On the other hand, I would never bash any of those bands I used to like, so I kind of agree with Ken, since that's what he seems to be saying--it's okay not to like stuff you used to like, but don't turn around and say they suck.

I'm pretty sure you just said you don't like it when someone says its shit right? fair comment, presonally i think if you think something is shit why not say it? After all its only an opinion.

On a slighty different note, i hate it when people say 'why do you think its shit?' I just say 'why do you give a fuck if i do?' Its like politcal correctness with music, we can't say something is shit, and if we do we have to justify it! bollocks to that.

Exactly, and I think there's a certain amount of disagreement just for the sake of disagreeing going on in this thread. That said, and I think Ken would agree with this too, it's not that you can't change your mind and decide that what you used to like sucks, it's just that doing so simply for the sake of jumping on the bandwagon of bashing is pretty lame, and it's really hard to take a person seriously when they do that emphatically and repeatedly about every band they used to listen to...



Saying something is shit without having a reason for it or being willing to back it up is lame. Personal taste (ie - "I like" or "I don't like") doesn't require an explanation. Assigning a quality to something, such as a band, is quite different.

What's PC here is that anyone should feel somehow obligated or pressured into accepting that "we all have opinions" and "it's okay that a person says something is great or that it sucks even if they don't know why", etc. That's just bullshit.

If you don't care to defend an evaluation, don't give it in the first place. Imagine if a professor handed you back a paper you worked hard on with "This Sucks" and "F" in red ink at the top and no other marks of any kind on any of the pages. I'm sure you'd be thrilled to go to him after class to ask about it and have him tell you to "fuck off".

-Tyrion

lol, your that type of guy aren't you ? Dam it that piss's me off when people just can't accept that you think something sucks arse. I just don't get why you have to give a reason for thinking something is bad. I mean half the time do even know why you don't like something? Or if you do can you even explain it? If someone really wanted to know why you have formed an opinon on something then you would have to explain every single event in your life up until the point that you formed the opinon, because after all every decision you make comes form your past knowledge and experience. Who cares about that, just tell someone what you think. But you must understand that i don't go round passing my opinions on everything, i've posted here long enough for people to know that, but if someone asks then i'll tell them. But its when people ask for an explaintion for why i am of that opinion that i get annoyed. I mean its your brain, your thoughts, your mind. Why does someone need to know the way you think?

I think the main reason i don't like being asked that is because so many of the people who ask it are just tossers (not making any implications towards any of you guys btw)

Edit - whats all that shit about homework? lol, wtf? Yeah coz that would happen, for a start he's getting moeny for it. I mean if someone was gonna pay me to explain then christ i'd write them a fucking book on it

I have no problem accepting it when someone thinks something sucks. I might agree or disagree, either with their opinion, or the reasons they give for it, but that really doesn't matter. You might say that Led Zeppelin sucks (for example), and I might agree or disagree. I might ask you why you think that, but I probably wouldn't. Most of the time when someone says something like that I just dismiss it and go on. Maybe they have actually thought about it before deciding/saying it and maybe they didn't But most of the time it's not really worth mentioning because they don't get it anyway, no matter how much reasoning you give them. In fact, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it now if it wasn't something I was thinking about and discussing with some other people during the last few days.

But to get offended or annoyed when someone actually does ask why you think that is pretty extreme. Yeah, some people just do that to be annoying, but others (such as myself) are genuinely interested. When there's a genuine interest, I think it's a compliment that they want to know something about how you think, and it shows a level of respect that saying simply "it sucks" doesn't.

Why a person likes or dislikes something is irrelevant. If a person can or wants to put into words why they like or dislike something, fine, but if not it that's okay too. When we like or dislike things we are not assigning a quality to them we are simply recognizing our personal taste. When we say a band sucks, it actually says nothing about whether or not we like them.



OKay, maybe it wasn't the best example, but it's a situation that's not as far fetched as you might first think, sadly. Yes, when that kind of thing happens it's usually more subtle, but ultimately the prof gets paid whether you're satisfied with his teaching or not. ... The point is, no self-respecting student would be amused, let alone satisfied with that scenario.



By the way, that reeks of being a slippery slope / fallacious argument... and if someone starts in on you to explain your reason for your reasons and then your reasons for your reasons for the reason... then they're clearly, as you put it, "tossers"

-Tyrion

Saying something sucks is just another way of saying you dislike it though, since music is basically entirely subjective :\

ps. screw this "I respect what they're doing but just don't get it bullsht!"

But this is a discussion forum, and generally when people get together and start talking music, people don't sit there and alternate between "that sucks" or "I like that." That's just kind of pointless, don't you think?

And for the record, I have never once gotten mad at anyone for disliking something I like. I don't take offense to that at all. I never have. What I do is simply ask for a reason for the sake of conversation. Or not even really a reason, but something more than "it sucks" or "it's fucking gay." That is stupid.

As for my point in this thread, I've said it numerous times but I'll say it again: tastes change, what you once enjoyed, you may at some point not enjoy anymore. But does that mean it sucks? Hardly. Tastes changing don't make something bad.

And Misha should quit bringing up the nu-metal thing—which isn't even close to being a favorite genre of mine—because any time anyone says anything not 100% positive about the crap he reviews or recommends, he whines and complains. Pot. Kettle. Meet.

I think going from Papa Roach to Iron Maiden (to use Misha's example) isn't so much a case of tastes changing as discovering better music.

Isn't that the same thing?

Thanks for the insult. Why do you mind the fact so much that I bring everybody dissing nu-metal constantly and you making a problem about it in contact with your preference of some nu-metal bands, isn't that entirely logical? Dude, I know that you have a broad taste in music, you say it's broader than Stefan's and mine together, and we all know that's ridiculous, but you're open-minded and I respect that. Maybe it's something personal, you admitted that you have a problem with people that have a different opinion, you "can't let it go", in your own words. I have the same problem sometimes. When people say "it sucks" about the music I like, then it annoys me because they don't tell me what sucks, so I can't respond to any point they made because they didn't give any factually wrong information or interpretations. Maybe this annoys you too? In my case, however, people generally just don't care and don't say "it sucks" because they have not heard it, in your case you just get thirty people smiting the band you like. Conclusively, I can very well imagine you have a big problem with that, it must be very annoying. But that does not have anything to do with people not being allowed to smite bands they previously liked, it's very much the same as smitingbands you've never liked. There is no difference. So the question pops up whether one is allowed to smite bands, and I don't see why not, freedom of speech etc. People might make themselves appear dumb if they continue it for too long, but that's not our problem. I think Holy Terror is a very silly person with his elite bullshit, but that's his choice and I don't want to bother with it.

Well I feel you, brother!!

I do get that feeling at times. But it's good. You should listen to something else other than metal for some time, then get back to metal. You'll realise the freshness in the songs. Just like when you first heard it.

Might I remind you that YOU brought nu-metal in this thread with your first post? Pot Kettle Meet. And I know I respond to people that somehow don't like the stuff I recommend, but that does not mean I don't want these people to give their opinion.

I think it really is just because of the people who ask. Honestly, its always the same type of cunt who gets really really defenceive about it. In Brighton there sooo many of em. I go to a music college here and theres just tons of the fuckers, then theres all the music fans all the bands and people in and around the music industry here (it really i a very musical city) so every time i say i think Indie is shit (the only genre of music i truely think is shit) i just get these angry fuckers getting in my face about my opinions. Its just that one type of music fan that can't handle it, thats what i'm getting at.


fair comment. But when i say it, it really does mean i don't like 'em


I was taking the piss a bit there mate , but i'm sure your right. But remember we're talking about music! lol


They most certainly are

It happens, I didn't listen to metal from 91 to about 96. and that started really in 89 when I discovered NIN and some other bands (I never went as gay as liking rap though, sounds like some chick influence there). Breaks are good. You will see though when you come back to it, that metal is the broadest greatest form of music ever. The rest of the stuff either dies out or goes to commercial or gets water downed so much it never matters again, with Metal there is always something underground, changing or being innovative.

lol, i was waiting for that from somone. You can take Sodom out of your avatar and put a picture of Micheal Jackson from the thriller album in there instead. I think hordes of Black Metal terrorist will be descending on your house soon dude.....

I always knew you were one of the "It's just a phase crowd." The doors to the Hall will glady close right in your face.