black or thrash?

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:25 pm

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

youre deep...bm is only music...you know that, dont you?

it is? Sometimes I am not so sure.

if it isnt music then wtf is it? :? bm is just... i dunno what im on about here...hmmm

Desolate · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:28 pm

WinterIsComing wrote:

valefor wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

valefor wrote:

The Immortal Emokid wrote:

can they look any more stupid ?

ok, some BM black & white make-up are coold and fitting the music perfectly... but sometimes.... what a big big laugh !!! :twisted:

PS : btw, the guy on the left looks kinda bald...

Who gives a fuck how they look? Maniac Butcher kicks ass!
Take any metalband... Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast, or any album for that matter...they look pretty fuckin goofy; Judas Priest... 'nuff said, and I don't mean Halford only... uhh, Manowar?!?; Power Metal is rife with sorry-assed looking geeks as is any thrash band that tries to look all tough and menacing, when they are skinny little shits, looking all uncomfortable and awkward, especially when they are shirtless, all sunken chested and bony-armed and you know that deep down he wishes he had a shirt on ... you've seen them and know who I am talking about; same goes for death metal: I have seen some goofy ass looking motherfuckers that try to look all hard but cannot mask that they are skinny little musicians. My point is, whats your point?
V.

point is almost nobody likes power metal because of appearance of a band, they like it because of music. But black metal is a lot about appearance and seems like many kids really adore the face paint, ("wow how coool it, but all of you are too stupid to understand the genius of it")

I am willing to bet my house that not one serious Black Metal afficionado here likes it because of the corpsepaint; I mean, you can't be serious...
V.

if nobody likes it, then why would these bands keep putting on the dumb paint? But I bet you nobody will admit that to you. But I never even sais that they like black metal because of paint, but as you can see from this thread some really love the paint.

Oh, of course, it's impossible to love the music they make if you like their corpsepaint... I like almost every single attribute BM has (if not every). Yes, music stands superior, but without those attributes (cover arts, logos, corpsepaints, members' nicknames, etc) it'll lose a part of the mystic feeling valefor mentioned. BM isn't only about music it's an entire culture (with it's own ideologies and attributes).

Gast1 wrote:

black metal has unwritten rules to live by, unlike other forms of metal

Skartasis · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:28 pm

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

Indeed, well spoken brother. Hails!!

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:29 pm

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

youre deep...bm is only music...you know that, dont you?

Not to me ... you obviosly fail to grasp what this art is about, so why bother? Stick to your transparent all-on-the surface mundane, metallum generica, if you will, but do not criticize that which you do not understand, which becomes ever more apparent with each of your comments.
V.

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:29 pm

yes!

my poll just became popular!
thats kool!

Skartasis · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:32 pm

You, this is funny, but when I was listening to To Embraze the Corpses Bleeding earlier today, it filled me with such emotions of strength and pride. Cant explain that any better though...

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:32 pm

valefor wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

youre deep...bm is only music...you know that, dont you?

Not to me ... you obviosly fail to grasp what this art is about, so why bother? Stick to your transparent all-on-the surface mundane, metallum generica, if you will, but do not criticize that which you do not understand, which becomes ever more apparent with each of your comments.
V.
V.

it is? Sometimes I am not so sure.

i didnt meen to offend you, i was jokin around

Misha · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:33 pm

better be...

Azrael · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:33 pm

dude, shut up. seriously. your constant moaning of black metal is annoying. not a fan myself, i admit that there are things to it that i don't, and probably will not, understand.

it's like some non-metalhead saying that thrash or death or whatever is pure noise. there's more to it than that, it's just that they don't/refuse to/will not get it.

as for the corpsepaint, i believe it doesn't make people like BM by itself, but those who do like it (BM, i mean), like it EVEN MORE because of it. i must admit, when done right, it has a rather badass touch.

btw, look at Rhapsody. it's like a power metal Immortal or whatever. they look so utterly gay and cheesy to many people, but to others it just adds to the epic qualities of the music. and i hate Rhapsody, so as you can see my opinion isn't biased.

now, go and listen to Spiral Architect. you are obviously too much of a music appreciator to be here wasting your time.

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:35 pm

i love metal and everything, but a lot of you bm heads take this very seriously, so ill just stop tryin to say thrash is better, cuz thats just my opinion.

Desolate · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:37 pm

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

HAILS!!! And after that you say I'll be a better reviewer???

valefor wrote:

Not to me ... you obviosly fail to grasp what this art is about, so why bother? Stick to your transparent all-on-the surface mundane, metallum generica, if you will, but do not criticize that which you do not understand, which becomes ever more apparent with each of your comments.
V.

Hails once more!

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:38 pm

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

youre deep...bm is only music...you know that, dont you?

Not to me ... you obviosly fail to grasp what this art is about, so why bother? Stick to your transparent all-on-the surface mundane, metallum generica, if you will, but do not criticize that which you do not understand, which becomes ever more apparent with each of your comments.
V.
V.

it is? Sometimes I am not so sure.

i didnt meen to offend you, i was jokin around

HAHA! I was not offended by any of your comments, indeed my post was in response to WIC...
a belated welcome to the forums!
V.

Misha · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:38 pm

i won't shut up, not for anyone and especially not for you. also note that i did not start any of these discussions, i just reply to them. if you do not like that, better not read my posts then. am i complaining about your constant moaning about black metal in the negative way? don't think so.

edit: sorry Azrael, I see what you mean now, anyways, this post has no value anymore... glad so actually...

Azrael · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:40 pm

whoops, that was meant for Winter. when i started writing the entire forth page wasn't here yet :X

sorry.

EDIT: and i always thought moaning was ALWAYS to talk of something in a bad way. guess i was wrong, sorry again.

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:43 pm

valefor wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

youre deep...bm is only music...you know that, dont you?

Not to me ... you obviosly fail to grasp what this art is about, so why bother? Stick to your transparent all-on-the surface mundane, metallum generica, if you will, but do not criticize that which you do not understand, which becomes ever more apparent with each of your comments.
V.
V.

it is? Sometimes I am not so sure.

i didnt meen to offend you, i was jokin around

HAHA! I was not offended by any of your comments, indeed my post was in response to WIC...
a belated welcome to the forums!
V.

thanks for the belated welcome, i thought you were offended sorry :roll: now which is which?
is bm or tm the apple or oranges? heh?

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

Ok here is my opinion on most of black metal and black metal fans: most of it are just posers riding the money train which requires very little talent. The fans are mostly lonely frustrated teens who are not happy with their everyday lives and dream of immortality and decapitating all their authorities (parents, teachers, bosses, etc.) and want to be different from the rest so much, they want to be misunderstood on purpose because they like it, it makes them feel superior as if only they know some secret knowledge, while all other normal fools are ignorant of it. And it gives them pride and power to act like geniuses that know everything about something as important as black metal, because to them it is the most important thing in this world.

close enough?

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:47 pm

WinterIsComing wrote:

Ok here is my opinion on most of black metal and black metal fans: most of it are just posers riding the money train which requires very little talent. The fans are mostly lonely frustrated teens who are not happy with their everyday lives and dream of immortality and decapitating all their authorities (parents, teachers, bosses, etc.) and want to be differend from the rest so much, they want to be misunderstood on purpose because they like it it makes them feel superior as if only they know some secret knowledge, while all other normal fools are ignorant of it. And it gives them pride and power to act like geniuses that know everything about something as important as black metal, because o them it is the most important thing in this world.

close enough?

woooooooooooooow there are some angry ppl on these forums

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:47 pm

Azrael wrote:

dude, shut up. seriously. your constant moaning of black metal is annoying. not a fan myself, i admit that there are things to it that i don't, and probably will not, understand.

Bite me, seriously, you on the other hand never have anything worth a fleck of dust to say... You know what is annoying? Having to look at your cheap ass photoshop pictures, you know the ones where you look like a fucking clown..., I mean sincerely, you look retarded.
and another thing that is annoying, your constant bitching about the multitudinous Black Metal posting going on here... get over it, we are here to stay, and if you are not a fan of the genre, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT, you dont see us talking shit or complaining about all the other genres, inferior as they may be, do you?
V.

Metalhead_Bastard · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:48 pm

valefor wrote:

Azrael wrote:

dude, shut up. seriously. your constant moaning of black metal is annoying. not a fan myself, i admit that there are things to it that i don't, and probably will not, understand.

Bite me, seriously, you on the other hand never have anything worth a fleck of dust to say... You know what is annoying? Having to look at your cheap ass photoshop pictures, you know the ones where you look like a fucking clown..., I mean sincerely, you look retarded.
and another thing that is annoying, your constant bitching about the multitudinous Black Metal posting going on here... get over it, we are here to stay, and if you are not a fan of the genre, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT, you dont see us talking shit or complaining about all the other genres, inferior as they may be, do you?
V.

so angry...

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:49 pm

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalhead wrote:

valefor wrote:

But lets be serious here... comparing thrash and black metal is like apples and oranges...
Don;t get me wrong, Thrash is cool (Destruction, Sodom, Kreator etc,) but it is a device of humans, and so confined to human spheres... Black Metal is a tapping of the occult forces that are hidden (mostly) from men; whether anthems of power for dark kings (Judas Iscariot-Heaven in Flames, Emperor-In The Nightside Eclipse, Satyricon-DMT, Shadowthrone) or a transcendence from the material world of the mundane (Xasthur, Leviathan, Nachtmystium, Black Funeral) or straight up misanthropic onslaught (Darkthrone, Mutiilation, Vlad Tepes, Maniac Butcher, Tsjuder, Dark Funeral, Mayhem) or the aural equivalent of disembodied souls unleashed to haunt the gloomy night (Gehenna) or folk inspired, pagan, NSBM (Nokturnal Mortum, Graveland, Drudkh)... not to mention Ulver, who are some of all of those mentioned above.
As you can see Black Metal is not only diverse, but transcends the realm of mere mortals.
While caught in a Black Metal trance, it is like an astral experience, a taste of immortality, a glimpse into a world between worlds.
Those of you that are into this genre will know exactly of what I speak.
Many Hails!
V.

youre deep...bm is only music...you know that, dont you?

Not to me ... you obviosly fail to grasp what this art is about, so why bother? Stick to your transparent all-on-the surface mundane, metallum generica, if you will, but do not criticize that which you do not understand, which becomes ever more apparent with each of your comments.
V.
V.

it is? Sometimes I am not so sure.

i didnt meen to offend you, i was jokin around

HAHA! I was not offended by any of your comments, indeed my post was in response to WIC...
a belated welcome to the forums!
V.

thanks for the belated welcome, i thought you were offended sorry :roll: now which is which?
is bm or tm the apple or oranges? heh?

BM is the apple, naturally...
V.

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