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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:42 am 
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It amazes me that so many people slam In Flames but not Hypocrisy. Granted, Virus is heavier than what In Flames are doing now, but goddamn are there some serious similarities. There are groovy metalcore breakdowns, a sever lack of solo work, and just about everything else In Flames does now just without the clean vocals on most of the songs, and done heavier.
Hypocrisy dont have metalcore breakdowns lol :roll:

"Scrutinized" has a serious metalcore breakdown. "Fearless" is no different than some of the stuff In Flames has been doing lately, nor is the majority of "Incised Before I've Ceased" and "Let The Knife Do The Talking." Then there's "Living To Die" which is quite like what In Flames has done on a few songs, only with less annoying vocals.
I just listened to "Scrutinized" and didn't hear anything close to a breakdown in it... I guess you sort of have a point with "Living To Die", but thats about it...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:45 am 
You do realize Hypocrisy has been doing songs like Living to Die since 1996, right?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:19 am 
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You do realize Hypocrisy has been doing songs like Living to Die since 1996, right?

No. I only have The Arrival other than this one.

And at 2:28 on "Scrutinized" there is a serious metalcore breakdown, and the riff after it is a complete hardcore riff. I can post a bunch of Strife songs with the same kind of riff.

This album features a ton of what In Flames is, well, flamed for. What's up with the lack of solos?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:38 am 
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Hypocrisy - Virus: Ownage. Great riffs and one of if not the best death metal vocalist.

New In Flames: Some decent songs(none on STYE about 4-5 on CC). Some decent riffs. Mediocre vocalist at best.

That's how I see it. STYE sucks balls. Come Clarity has some pretty good songs but does not even come close to the pwnage that is Virus.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:42 am 
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Hypocrisy - Virus: Ownage. Great riffs and one of if not the best death metal vocalist.

New In Flames: Some decent songs(none on STYE about 4-5 on CC). Some decent riffs. Mediocre vocalist at best.

That's how I see it. STYE sucks balls. Come Clarity has some pretty good songs but does not even come close to the pwnage that is Virus.

And they're also popular with the kids. :wink:


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Eyesore wrote:
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Hypocrisy - Virus: Ownage. Great riffs and one of if not the best death metal vocalist.

New In Flames: Some decent songs(none on STYE about 4-5 on CC). Some decent riffs. Mediocre vocalist at best.

That's how I see it. STYE sucks balls. Come Clarity has some pretty good songs but does not even come close to the pwnage that is Virus.

And they're also popular with the kids. :wink:


Dude that doesn't work with me. I'm the one that made the thread about really liking the first 5 songs or so on Come Clarity. I don't hate In Flames and I'm not trying to say they are utter crap. I'm just saying that Virus is far far far superior to In Flames.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:49 am 
Orion wrote:
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Hypocrisy - Virus: Ownage. Great riffs and one of if not the best death metal vocalist.

New In Flames: Some decent songs(none on STYE about 4-5 on CC). Some decent riffs. Mediocre vocalist at best.

That's how I see it. STYE sucks balls. Come Clarity has some pretty good songs but does not even come close to the pwnage that is Virus.

And they're also popular with the kids. :wink:

Dude that doesn't work with me. I'm the one that made the thread about really liking the first 5 songs or so on Come Clarity. I don't hate In Flames and I'm not trying to say they are utter crap. I'm just saying that Virus is far far far superior to In Flames.

That's fine. I'm just saying, many of the things I hear people complaining about In Flames doing now are present on Virus. The quality isn't what I'm referring to.


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Eyesore wrote:
Orion wrote:
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Hypocrisy - Virus: Ownage. Great riffs and one of if not the best death metal vocalist.

New In Flames: Some decent songs(none on STYE about 4-5 on CC). Some decent riffs. Mediocre vocalist at best.

That's how I see it. STYE sucks balls. Come Clarity has some pretty good songs but does not even come close to the pwnage that is Virus.

And they're also popular with the kids. :wink:

Dude that doesn't work with me. I'm the one that made the thread about really liking the first 5 songs or so on Come Clarity. I don't hate In Flames and I'm not trying to say they are utter crap. I'm just saying that Virus is far far far superior to In Flames.

That's fine. I'm just saying, many of the things I hear people complaining about In Flames doing now are present on Virus. The quality isn't what I'm referring to.


Hypocrisy really starting sucking on Catch 22. The Arrival picked things up a bit, but I hear you. There is some serious Metalcoring going on in Abyss these days. I won't say it's on the same level as In Flames, not yet anyways, but it is there, for sure.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:52 pm 
Eternal Idol wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Orion wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Orion wrote:
Hypocrisy - Virus: Ownage. Great riffs and one of if not the best death metal vocalist.

New In Flames: Some decent songs(none on STYE about 4-5 on CC). Some decent riffs. Mediocre vocalist at best.

That's how I see it. STYE sucks balls. Come Clarity has some pretty good songs but does not even come close to the pwnage that is Virus.

And they're also popular with the kids. :wink:

Dude that doesn't work with me. I'm the one that made the thread about really liking the first 5 songs or so on Come Clarity. I don't hate In Flames and I'm not trying to say they are utter crap. I'm just saying that Virus is far far far superior to In Flames.

That's fine. I'm just saying, many of the things I hear people complaining about In Flames doing now are present on Virus. The quality isn't what I'm referring to.


Hypocrisy really starting sucking on Catch 22. The Arrival picked things up a bit, but I hear you. There is some serious Metalcoring going on in Abyss these days. I won't say it's on the same level as In Flames, not yet anyways, but it is there, for sure.


Have you even listened to Virus? Whether you think it's metalcore or not, it's amazing.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:20 pm 
It is quite the killer album!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:57 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
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You do realize Hypocrisy has been doing songs like Living to Die since 1996, right?

No. I only have The Arrival other than this one.

And at 2:28 on "Scrutinized" there is a serious metalcore breakdown, and the riff after it is a complete hardcore riff. I can post a bunch of Strife songs with the same kind of riff.

This album features a ton of what In Flames is, well, flamed for. What's up with the lack of solos?


You don't need solos if you sound like Hypocrisy does on this album.

Metalcore? Bah, I don't see it. This is death metal, and extremely kickass death metal at that.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:06 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
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You do realize Hypocrisy has been doing songs like Living to Die since 1996, right?

No. I only have The Arrival other than this one.

And at 2:28 on "Scrutinized" there is a serious metalcore breakdown, and the riff after it is a complete hardcore riff. I can post a bunch of Strife songs with the same kind of riff.

This album features a ton of what In Flames is, well, flamed for. What's up with the lack of solos?

You don't need solos if you sound like Hypocrisy does on this album.

Metalcore? Bah, I don't see it. This is death metal, and extremely kickass death metal at that.

It is death metal still, but I'd say it's more in the melodic death metal vein than not. I still hear a ton of similarities to In Flames, though, current In Flames.


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Am I the only one who actually hears guitar solos on the album? They're not great but they are there...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:52 am 
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Am I the only one who actually hears guitar solos on the album? They're not great but they are there...


Dude, the one in compulsive psychosis is great!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:52 am 
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Am I the only one who actually hears guitar solos on the album? They're not great but they are there...

There are some, but not many.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:41 am 
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I wish someone would review Virus. I came across it durring the 2005 awards. I was going through what everyone else was voting for, and saw that Husker had Hypocrisy - Vrius on his list. Who the fuck is that? I thought. I listened to one song off the website and bought Virus the next day. Later on I found the Arrival review and picked that up as well. I really enjoy both of them.

I kind of agree with you eyesore. There are some similarities to In Flames. Both are highly accessible as far as death metal goes because neither band is insanely technical or heavy. The production is crystal clear and very modern, and both bands emphasize bright catchy melodies. It seems to me alot of bands have tried to update thier sound from the 90s, but In Flames just failed so miserably at it. My theory is that since they became to personify and embody what was considered "The Gothenberg Sound" so much, the more they try to get away from that the farther they will fall. They sort of type-casted themselves in a sense.

On the other hand bands like Hypocrisy have alot more room to work with without falling under mass scrutiny., because no one is expecting such specific music out of them.


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Arthur wrote:
My theory is that since they became to personify and embody what was considered "The Gothenberg Sound" so much, the more they try to get away from that the farther they will fall. They sort of type-casted themselves in a sense.

On the other hand bands like Hypocrisy have alot more room to work with without falling under mass scrutiny., because no one is expecting such specific music out of them.


My theory is far less complex:
1. Tagtgren doesn't care that much about making a lot of money as Frieden does.
2. Hypocrisy were always a better band.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:57 pm 
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Arthur wrote:
My theory is that since they became to personify and embody what was considered "The Gothenberg Sound" so much, the more they try to get away from that the farther they will fall. They sort of type-casted themselves in a sense.

On the other hand bands like Hypocrisy have alot more room to work with without falling under mass scrutiny., because no one is expecting such specific music out of them.


My theory is far less complex:
1. Tagtgren doesn't care that much about making a lot of money as Frieden does.


so, tell me, what is Pain all about ? :?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:00 pm 
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i saw them with vital remains
all i have to say about that show is
"wow" it was soooo fuckin intence


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:54 pm 
T.I.E. wrote:
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Arthur wrote:
My theory is that since they became to personify and embody what was considered "The Gothenberg Sound" so much, the more they try to get away from that the farther they will fall. They sort of type-casted themselves in a sense.

On the other hand bands like Hypocrisy have alot more room to work with without falling under mass scrutiny., because no one is expecting such specific music out of them.


My theory is far less complex:
1. Tagtgren doesn't care that much about making a lot of money as Frieden does.


so, tell me, what is Pain all about ? :?


I've never listened to Pain, so I don't know. I need to hear some of it soon though, because as far as I'm concerned, Peter is a god of metal!


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