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Eyesore
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except The Gathering are actually good even if softer than they used to be... Lacuna Coil never really did anything mindblowing (still they're not bad and Cristina is kinda pretty)... :twisted:

Well, looking at it like that, Jessica Simpson is the new Bob Dylan.

No, Ashlee is. They both can't sing worth a damn.
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Goat
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Eyesore wrote:
Zad wrote:
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except The Gathering are actually good even if softer than they used to be... Lacuna Coil never really did anything mindblowing (still they're not bad and Cristina is kinda pretty)... :twisted:

Well, looking at it like that, Jessica Simpson is the new Bob Dylan.

No, Ashlee is. They both can't sing worth a damn.


Apparently it's not even her singing on her albums. The godless slut.
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Stefan
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Eyesore wrote:
Zad wrote:
T.I.E. wrote:
except The Gathering are actually good even if softer than they used to be... Lacuna Coil never really did anything mindblowing (still they're not bad and Cristina is kinda pretty)... :twisted:

Well, looking at it like that, Jessica Simpson is the new Bob Dylan.

No, Ashlee is. They both can't sing worth a damn.


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best Simpson singer... she sure can sing some über grim nekro kvlt BM... :twisted:

on Lacuna Coil, I think they have some good songs but I wish they got rid of the male vocals and concentrate on a more modern goth metal approach... something not so distant from modern Gathering actually... :roll:
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Yeah their male vocalist is utterly worthless.

Plus I think having two full time vocalists limits a band and contrives the songwriting to a point since you have to find a way to fit both of them in.

On the other hand, if you have someone in the band whose primary role is to do something else (Marko in Nightwish, Mark in Epica) then you can use them when it feels appopriate for the song.
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Stefan
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Yeah their male vocalist is utterly worthless.

Plus I think having two full time vocalists limits a band and contrives the songwriting to a point since you have to find a way to fit both of them in.

On the other hand, if you have someone in the band whose primary role is to do something else (Marko in Nightwish, Mark in Epica) then you can use them when it feels appopriate for the song.


my examples would have been From Autumn To Ashes or Atreyu (both bands with a screaming frontman & a drummer melodic vocalist) but otherwise I do agree, that's the best way not to contrive the songwriting...

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Yeah their male vocalist is utterly worthless.

Plus I think having two full time vocalists limits a band and contrives the songwriting to a point since you have to find a way to fit both of them in.

On the other hand, if you have someone in the band whose primary role is to do something else (Marko in Nightwish, Mark in Epica) then you can use them when it feels appopriate for the song.


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To an extent, yes. I'd prefer if the HC vocals were done by one of the guitarists or something.
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To an extent, yes. I'd prefer if the HC vocals were done by one of the guitarists or something.


That's how a lot of 'core bands seem to do it. I think more bands should go the Slipknot route and have a whole bunch of members who serve no useful purpose and are there only because more people = better music.
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To an extent, yes. I'd prefer if the HC vocals were done by one of the guitarists or something.


That's how a lot of 'core bands seem to do it. I think more bands should go the Slipknot route and have a whole bunch of members who serve no useful purpose and are there only because more people = better music.


that's only good for the stage aspect for it creates more fun for the audience... Path Of Resistance (an all-star hardcore band) had 3 screamers, even more funny were Berrurier Noir (80's minimalist alternative french punk band) who did they shows with a whole bunch of silly dancers/background vocalists/jugglers etc...

but I don't see what it can bring to the band in the studio...
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that's only good for the stage aspect for it creates more fun for the audience... Path Of Resistance (an all-star hardcore band) had 3 screamers, even more funny were Berrurier Noir (80's minimalist alternative french punk band) who did they shows with a whole bunch of silly dancers/background vocalists/jugglers etc...

but I don't see what it can bring to the band in the studio...


Well, both Cradle and Arcturus have live dancers and stuff. The best studio way is without a doubt the Varg "Sod off, I'll do it all meself" Vikernes method.
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Stefan
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:49 pm 
Zad wrote:
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that's only good for the stage aspect for it creates more fun for the audience... Path Of Resistance (an all-star hardcore band) had 3 screamers, even more funny were Berrurier Noir (80's minimalist alternative french punk band) who did they shows with a whole bunch of silly dancers/background vocalists/jugglers etc...

but I don't see what it can bring to the band in the studio...


Well, both Cradle and Arcturus have live dancers and stuff. The best studio way is without a doubt the Varg "Sod off, I'll do it all meself" Vikernes method.


I disagree... very few are the musicians that can achieve good albums all by themselves... Mike Oldfield is one, I think Devin Townsend could (but then he'd probably use Hoglan on drums)... in BM, it's a different matter for BM is based on amateur musicianship...

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T.I.E. wrote:
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To an extent, yes. I'd prefer if the HC vocals were done by one of the guitarists or something.


That's how a lot of 'core bands seem to do it. I think more bands should go the Slipknot route and have a whole bunch of members who serve no useful purpose and are there only because more people = better music.


that's only good for the stage aspect for it creates more fun for the audience... Path Of Resistance (an all-star hardcore band) had 3 screamers, even more funny were Berrurier Noir (80's minimalist alternative french punk band) who did they shows with a whole bunch of silly dancers/background vocalists/jugglers etc...

but I don't see what it can bring to the band in the studio...


It makes me wonder what the three/four useless (they're all useless! Har!) guys in Slipknot get paid compared to the actual band.
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I disagree... very few are the musicians that can achieve good albums all by themselves... Mike Oldfield is one, I think Devin Townsend could (but then he'd probably use Hoglan on drums)... in BM, it's a different matter for BM is based on amateur musicianship...

Ooh, you troll you.
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It makes me wonder what the three/four useless (they're all useless! Har!) guys in Slipknot get paid compared to the actual band.


Joey Jordison keeps them on coke, so they do what he tells them.
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Stefan
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Zad wrote:
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I disagree... very few are the musicians that can achieve good albums all by themselves... Mike Oldfield is one, I think Devin Townsend could (but then he'd probably use Hoglan on drums)... in BM, it's a different matter for BM is based on amateur musicianship...

Ooh, you troll you.


I meant one-man-band BM projects... :roll:
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T.I.E. wrote:
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I disagree... very few are the musicians that can achieve good albums all by themselves... Mike Oldfield is one, I think Devin Townsend could (but then he'd probably use Hoglan on drums)... in BM, it's a different matter for BM is based on amateur musicianship...

Ooh, you troll you.


I meant one-man-band BM projects... :roll:


Hmph. Still, even if one person writes the music and gets others to play it, does that count? Everyone from Ihsahn on Prometheus to Bob Dylan comes to mind...
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Zad wrote:
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Zad wrote:
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I disagree... very few are the musicians that can achieve good albums all by themselves... Mike Oldfield is one, I think Devin Townsend could (but then he'd probably use Hoglan on drums)... in BM, it's a different matter for BM is based on amateur musicianship...

Ooh, you troll you.


I meant one-man-band BM projects... :roll:


Hmph. Still, even if one person writes the music and gets others to play it, does that count? Everyone from Ihsahn on Prometheus to Bob Dylan comes to mind...


nope

it's exactly what Pete Townsend did with the Who... he did the demos for every song (every instruments and vocals included) but got the best of the band to push his song higher, faster... better ! so, even if the band doesn't compose a single note, the skills of every musician is to be added to the actual value of the composition...

didn't you get that yet ? :?
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nope

it's exactly what Pete Townsend did with the Who... he did the demos for every song (every instruments and vocals included) but got the best of the band to push his song higher, faster... better ! so, even if the band doesn't compose a single note, the skills of every musician is to be added to the actual value of the composition...

didn't you get that yet ? :?

Yeah, I'm clutching at straws, really.
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Grip Inc. "Solidify" (I so looove this band ! :D )

One of my favorite band! They're awesome!

You heard SQUAD 21??
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Stefan
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Eyesore wrote:
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One of my favorite band! They're awesome!

You heard SQUAD 21??


nope

and I see there is no audio available on their website... :?
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