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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:20 pm 
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SoaD were the first metal band my friend liked, now he likes better bands, so thumbs up to them!


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Good. Then come back and write a report on their impact on the musical landscape. You can call the report "Nil."


...Tool had no impact on the musical landscape? This is new.

The other three, I'll accept.

Heck, why don't you write me a report on SoaD's impact on the musical landscape. That report can be called 'Sales And Not Much Else.'

FUCK! You got me there! Hahaha. I missed that name. OK, call it "Three Nils To One." :wink:

"Sales And Not Much Else," huh? That wouldn't be very accurate.


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FUCK! You got me there! Hahaha. I missed that name. OK, call it "Three Nils To One." :wink:


Most certainly, goodsir! 12-point-type, double-spaced, 100,000 words. It'll be on your desk by Monday, along with the paper called "The New In Flames Is Substandard."

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"Sales And Not Much Else," huh? That wouldn't be very accurate.


I beg to differ, but since you've posited otherwise, please tell me what other impact SoaD have had upon the musical landscape.


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FUCK! You got me there! Hahaha. I missed that name. OK, call it "Three Nils To One." :wink:


Most certainly, goodsir! 12-point-type, double-spaced, 100,000 words. It'll be on your desk by Monday, along with the paper called "The New In Flames Is Substandard."

Eyesore wrote:
"Sales And Not Much Else," huh? That wouldn't be very accurate.


I beg to differ, but since you've posited otherwise, please tell me what other impact SoaD have had upon the musical landscape.

The criteria has changed in the past decade. I think that sales is a part of it, but that is harder to define now because there are so many sheep in the flock. If you go by sales alone then Ashlee Simpson is one of the greatest female artists ever! Clearly not the case. SOAD, though, have shown over four albums that they're not a fluke and they've really had no big hit single since Toxicity. They've had mild hits, but nothing mind-blowing, and their albums have still debuted at #1 and sold quite well in the Downloading Age. Thus you can assume those albums have sold well simply because there are people out there that REALLY like this band, not people out there that buy the albums to listen to the radio hits (one or two songs, we all know those people).

Next you look at the quality of music and originality. You may not like them, but overall there are millions of people who do. Not just metal fans, but fans of all genres including rap, like SOAD. I think that is a sign of a great band, a band that can transcend barriers and pull in listeners from all points of the musical landscape. I think the overall impact that this band has had on music is HUGE! Are there other bands just as deserving, sure, Tool definitely comes to mind, but SOAD are right up there with some of the greatest bands of our time, in my opinion, and that opinion is shared by countless others.

You disagree, I know, but I still feel strongly about this.


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The criteria has changed in the past decade. I think that sales is a part of it, but that is harder to define now because there are so many sheep in the flock. If you go by sales alone then Ashlee Simpson is one of the greatest female artists ever! Clearly not the case. SOAD, though, have shown over four albums that they're not a fluke and they've really had no big hit single since Toxicity. They've had mild hits, but nothing mind-blowing, and their albums have still debuted at #1 and sold quite well in the Downloading Age. Thus you can assume those albums have sold well simply because there are people out there that REALLY like this band, not people out there that buy the albums to listen to the radio hits (one or two songs, we all know those people).

Next you look at the quality of music and originality. You may not like them, but overall there are millions of people who do. Not just metal fans, but fans of all genres including rap, like SOAD. I think that is a sign of a great band, a band that can transcend barriers and pull in listeners from all points of the musical landscape. I think the overall impact that this band has had on music is HUGE! Are there other bands just as deserving, sure, Tool definitely comes to mind, but SOAD are right up there with some of the greatest bands of our time, in my opinion, and that opinion is shared by countless others.

You disagree, I know, but I still feel strongly about this.


I would think that 'impact upon the musical landscape' should be measured in another way.

For instance, Nirvana. They came along in 1991 and changed the musical landscape forever. Bands like Soundgarden landed major-label deals, bands like Mudhoney were on the lips of everyone, and even now, we're shaking off their shit-clones like Nickelback and Breaking Benjamin.

If you ask me, inspiring waves upon waves of new bands is more important than simply having a wide listening base. Nirvana will be remembered by connoisseurs of musical knowledge forever. They will have whole sections of the book to themselves, while SoaD will probably have a chapter or so.

Tool will also have a section.

I can't, however, say that SoaD does NOT have an inexplicable appeal to many people, because they do.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:01 pm 
Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.


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Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.



Ok, here I agree with what you said but did Soad have an impact on the metal world or the nu-metal, rock and rest of the mtv stuff world ?


I'm thinking the latter. So it's not really my business actually. Sorry.


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Eyesore wrote:
Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.


The world that SoaD have had an 'impact' on does not seem to have changed. What bands were signed as a result of SoaD selling many albums? What songs became hits as a result of SoaD's impact upon the musical landscape that made people more open-minded to strange music?

If anything, Radiohead's mainstream acceptance paved the way for other strange bands like SoaD and the Mars Volta, coupled with all the 80's hard-rock nostalgia that's gripped the nation ever since the metalcore boom. Well, the latter was after SoaD were signed, so I'd say that it merely helped propel them to their current level of stardom.

The only impact SoaD have had is in the form of sales. Megadeth, that's an influence that bands cite years later. You sure that bands will cite System as an influence?


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Inventiveness and originality are two different things. And I stand by my comment. George Foreman slapped his name on a very nifty invention, the thing is amazing, but it's not quite original. My comment stands.


Fine with me.

I'm going to go listen to Age of Silence, or maybe Tool, or maybe Obscura-era Gorguts. If I'm bored, maybe some Pelican.

Good. Then come back and write a report on their impact on the musical landscape. You can call the report "Nil."


Man... I think few modern bands have had as much impact as Tool.


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Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.



Ok, here I agree with what you said but did Soad have an impact on the metal world or the nu-metal, rock and rest of the mtv stuff world ?


I'm thinking the latter. So it's not really my business actually. Sorry.

I disagree, I think they've transcended that "pidgeonholing" and have pulled fans from all points of the musical map (did I say this already?). Just look at how many people in different styled bands named their album(s) the best of 2005. Maybe that's not enough, but just go and look online, the band is loved by people from all over, even the Wu-Tang Clan likes SOAD!! :shock:


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Eyesore wrote:
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Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.



Ok, here I agree with what you said but did Soad have an impact on the metal world or the nu-metal, rock and rest of the mtv stuff world ?


I'm thinking the latter. So it's not really my business actually. Sorry.

I disagree, I think they've transcended that "pidgeonholing" and have pulled fans from all points of the musical map (did I say this already?). Just look at how many people in different styled bands named their album(s) the best of 2005. Maybe that's not enough, but just go and look online, the band is loved by people from all over, even the Wu-Tang Clan likes SOAD!! :shock:


That's not suprising. I think there were 3 or 4 mainstream rap artists in Korn's last video. Some artists just enjoy different styles of music, not unlike us. A diverse fanbase doesn't necessarily mean a band's music mind-blowingly different or original.


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Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.



Ok, here I agree with what you said but did Soad have an impact on the metal world or the nu-metal, rock and rest of the mtv stuff world ?


I'm thinking the latter. So it's not really my business actually. Sorry.

I disagree, I think they've transcended that "pidgeonholing" and have pulled fans from all points of the musical map (did I say this already?). Just look at how many people in different styled bands named their album(s) the best of 2005. Maybe that's not enough, but just go and look online, the band is loved by people from all over, even the Wu-Tang Clan likes SOAD!! :shock:


That's not suprising. I think there were 3 or 4 mainstream rap artists in Korn's last video. Some artists just enjoy different styles of music, not unlike us. A diverse fanbase doesn't necessarily mean a band's music mind-blowingly different or original.



Exactly. There used to be 3 girls who were in my class, they were fans of Britney and J-Lo and rest of the Mtv crap and they were listening to the Toxicity album all the time. Being open minded is one thing bu this is too much to stomach.


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The new Korn video is pretty funny, though! Hahaha.


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Eyesore wrote:
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Bands like Nirvana are rare. How many other bands have had the same impact? The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, to name a few of the biggest names. There are always other bands like Megadeth that deserve a respectful nod, but they don't compare to the impact that Metallica had. SOAD are a Megadeth, not a Metallica, but Megadeth deserves that distinction, no? I think SOAD does, as well.



Ok, here I agree with what you said but did Soad have an impact on the metal world or the nu-metal, rock and rest of the mtv stuff world ?


I'm thinking the latter. So it's not really my business actually. Sorry.

I disagree, I think they've transcended that "pidgeonholing" and have pulled fans from all points of the musical map (did I say this already?). Just look at how many people in different styled bands named their album(s) the best of 2005. Maybe that's not enough, but just go and look online, the band is loved by people from all over, even the Wu-Tang Clan likes SOAD!! :shock:
And Dan Swano likes Green Day...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:21 am 
And Green Day is a great punk band.


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Eyesore wrote:
And Green Day is a great punk band.


Eyesore, there's a difference between Green Day and a Punk Band which I shall now demonstrate. For this demonstration, I have utilized the Subhumans as the Punk Band and Green Day as Green Day.

I Present: The Great Divide

Green Day ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The Subhumans.


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And Green Day is a great punk band.
My point is that musicians appreciations generally aren't limited to the genres they play


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Green Day are overrated bollocks.


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Sorry to break it to you, but they're not great, and neither was Nirvana.


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Sorry to break it to you, but they're not great, and neither was Nirvana.


What have Nirvana got to do with it?


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