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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:43 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
I ignored your "points" because they have no relevance to anything we're discussing, you're trying to spin the argument in your favor by adding all these "nu" argument points. And I have no interest in arguing music with someone who wants to change history to apply to his/her views. Sorry.

Plus, I swore off arguing on the internet a long time ago. I have no interest in arguing YOUR interpretation of what nu-metal is and isn't. Your knowledge of nu-metal is virtually non-existant, this is clear by your incessant inaccuracies in this thread as a whole. Educate yourself and maybe we can have an intelligent discussion, but I have no interest in arguing with you. If you think you're right, no problem, you're right.

I hope you don't have an aneurysm when you see the reviews for Come Clarity.


Oh, my brain bleeds in anticipation, KenSoreEye. My brain bleeds like the stigmata of the man who gave his life for you, see-in as you ain't makin good of it.

Ah, dismiss me and dismiss what I be thinkin' cause you don't be agreein'- that's the way of life that leads to strife, silly ol' man. I shakin' my head, I thinkin' while I'm thinkin' that you are just a bit too... set.

Set like a flaking peridot in a silver-turned-black brooch that once adorned the breast of an important, willful woman. That brooch, it's old now, old and tired and worn out sillyman. Worn out by advancement, worn out by progression, worn out by the new looking back at the old.

Pigeonhole me as ignorant if you like, KenSoreEye, but I, me and mine, we don't care about that. Enlightenin' myself, that means to you to AGREE- and to AGREE means to silence what's real in this case, to silence the call of inescapable reality. I got that on call-waiting now, but you wouldn't get that.

Phone's still ringing, SoreEyeKen. You gonna pick it up or leave it 'till the other side don't call no more?

Your choice, buddy-boy. Your choice.


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Brahm_K wrote:
Dude, considering that many people agree with DM, you can't just say
"your points were out of context and you don't know anything!" Because they were valid points. If they aren't, then you should have no trouble disproving them right? But really, if all you keep on doing is saying: "NO! YOU'RE WRONG. I KNOW WHAT NU METAL AND EVERYTHING IS. YOU DON'T." Try using arguement, son.


Din't you hear 'im, K? He gone now. He done swore off arguin' on the 'net like it were alcoholism drowning the man in fat and hate and liver-rape.

He right and everyone else wrong, he say, looking out at us from his liversick face like a coon dog left out in the cold, cold rain, soggy and angry like the wrong hat on a winter's day.

There no point in letting him in now, K. He live out there, if he like it or don't like it, it where he live now and that's all there be to it.

He lives where he lives, K. Exile is sweet for the exiled man, for the man who gets hisself exiled, sweeter than a brand-new tobacco pipe carved with birds and plants and lions at the watering-hole.


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Brahm_K wrote:
Dude, considering that many people agree with DM, you can't just say
"your points were out of context and you don't know anything!" Because they were valid points. If they aren't, then you should have no trouble disproving them right? But really, if all you keep on doing is saying: "NO! YOU'RE WRONG. I KNOW WHAT NU METAL AND EVERYTHING IS. YOU DON'T." Try using arguement, son.

I've already stated that he can dislike the new In Flames all he wants, but saying things like "Man, it's nu-metal" in response to me saying Chaos AD is not nu-metal makes no sense. Nu-metal is a VERY defined genre yet there are some people that want to throw in a million different bands in that genre. Does Soulfly sound like Breaking Benjamin? Come on.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:26 am 
Hey Dead Machine, you do realize you're making yourself seem really childish, right?


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Eyesore start listening to some black metal alright ? Burzum's a good place to start :)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:25 am 
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This is a ridiculous argument.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:52 am 
otakon wrote:
Eyesore start listening to some black metal alright ? Burzum's a good place to start :)

I listen to some black metal...I have three black metal CDs, I think. No more than five, though. =)

And yes, ridiculous argument indeed.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:44 am 
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good to see the drummer has decided to blast the snare every fucking song, again. they REALLY have made the same song like 40 times since 99-00. Jester's Race is my all time favorite melodic death album and is what got me into swedish death. everything after jesters race got me the hell away from In Flames. Anders' strangled the band and Jesper just followed along. Dimension Zero I was psyched to listen to because it was Jesper's idea and it sounded like NEW IN FLAMES (guess who produced their last album...). kids, the band that got flames their start is still out there and making good music: they are called Dark Tranquillity. Go listen to them instead. This isnt death metal...its Anders metal.


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Eyesore wrote:
Hey Dead Machine, you do realize you're making yourself seem really childish, right?


Do you realize that I honestly don't care if you think I'm childish? How can I hammer that point home further?

In any event, I'm done. Arguing with you is like yelling into a mirror but more frustrating.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:18 pm 
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In conclusion:
Some people like In Flames .
Some people don't.


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Come Clarity? More like Suck Clarity. Or Come Sucking. Whichever one sounds more erotic.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:55 pm 
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@Eyesore: have you heard Skindred? The song I heard sounded like a Cavalera-impersonator yelling about DJs and bullets and stuff, his clean vocals were Limp Bizkit to a t. Or is that the only song in that style? :roll:

@Aaron: What The Fuck?! That was hilarious, but also deeply frightening.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:42 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
Hey Dead Machine, you do realize you're making yourself seem really childish, right?


Do you realize that I honestly don't care if you think I'm childish? How can I hammer that point home further?

In any event, I'm done. Arguing with you is like yelling into a mirror but more frustrating.

And with a good looking guy in the reflection.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:40 pm 
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Brahm_K wrote:
Come Clarity? More like Suck Clarity. Or Come Sucking. Whichever one sounds more erotic.
:lol:


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This is just further proof that Melodic Death Metal is and was, terribly gay! :wink:

But seriously, this band has without a doubt gone down the commercial path. Fuck any band that is in it for the money. I've heard all of their material, and they don't even sound like the same band anymore. Their stuff now is boring, and insipidly so. Down-tuning does not equal heavy, never has, never will. Is it Nu-Metal? Well, sorta. The lyrics are undeniably Mallcore, and the riffs and lack of solos is reminescent as well. I won't flat out call it Nu-Metal, as they are better than say Dope, but it's still angsty, riffless, teenager catered garbage.

Sepultura did influence what we now call Nu-Metal. I can tell Slipknot and Coal Chamber listened to LOTS of Chaos AD and Roots. And yes, Slipknot is Nu-Metal, like it or not.


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Zad wrote:
@Aaron: What The Fuck?! That was hilarious, but also deeply frightening.


It's called stream-of-consciousness-post-reading-William-Burroughs.

Eyesore wrote:
And with a good looking guy in the reflection.


Wait just one fucking minute, you pendantic little assmuncher. You call me childish, and then when I don't respond to that in an overly rude manner, and declare the argument as done, not noting that you completely ignored the fact that I backed up my statement that Chaos AD was nu-metal by talking about the music, and then you turn around and insult me?

Jesus fucking christ... just... jesus...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:24 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
And with a good looking guy in the reflection.


Wait just one fucking minute, you pendantic little assmuncher. You call me childish, and then when I don't respond to that in an overly rude manner, and declare the argument as done, not noting that you completely ignored the fact that I backed up my statement that Chaos AD was nu-metal by talking about the music, and then you turn around and insult me?

Jesus fucking christ... just... jesus...

Dude, I have tried NUMEROUS times in this thread to keep YOU from going "asshole." It hasn't worked. YOU are confrontational when people disagree with you. I've read a ton of your replies. That is you. My choice to stop the argument was based on keeping this board civil.

My comment about the mirror was A FUCKING JOKE!! It amazes me that ONE line is an insult to you, but a few replies earlier you're straight up being a dick towards me in TWO consecutive posts with all the EyeKenSore nonsense. Did you see me calling you BrainDead Machine, or Dead Machine Operated Dildo Tester? Or anything as equally childish? NO. So, even if my mirror comment was an insult, would it not be justified after you insulted me? Regardless, it was a joke. I think over the past few months here I've shown that I joke around, as I did this time.

As for your Chaos AD comment, like I said, an album having nu-metal elements does NOT make it nu-metal. You proved nothing. Kid Rock has country in some of his songs, he's NOT A COUNTRY ARTIST! I will quote myself from page 3:

Nu-metal bands are bands like Disturbed, Spineshank, Ultraspank (great name, by the way), Coal Chamber, etc. To me, those are TRUE nu-metal bands. They all have a consistent musical similarity. In Flames does not share that consistent similarity. "Nu-ish elements" has no significance because I can go back and find that shit on albums that came out 20 years before nu-metal became the latest scapegoat for bands that have strayed from their roots.

Shall I also quote the numerous times I tried to point out that you can have your opinion all you want, but I disagree? I've not insulted you once here. I called you childish, and that you have been...in THIS thread. That wasn't a general statement, but specific to this thread. I also sent you a PM and what was your asinine response? And when I resonded and asked what your problem was, what equally retarded response did I get?

If you don't like me, that's cool, but since the day I started posting here you've been confrontational with me because we clearly disagree on musical issues. No big deal, you're not the only one who disagrees with me, but you're the only one to rudely respond. If you wish to continue this personal argument, feel free to PM me. You're an intelligent man, this whole thing is completely unnecessary and stupid.


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Hugh!!! I can't even read all that. Eyesore, he will not cave. And, HOLY CRAP, neither will you. Stop this!!! AHHHHHH!!!! AHHHHHH!!!! *barf*


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:33 am 
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Hugh!!! I can't even read all that. Eyesore, he will not cave. And, HOLY CRAP, neither will you. Stop this!!! AHHHHHH!!!! AHHHHHH!!!! *barf*

Sorry, long post, but necessary. I tried to end it earlier here, but to keep him from thinking I insulted him I had to respond. No big deal. I have no problems here. We disagree on music. Whoopdeefuck.


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I think numetal is synonymous(SP?) to "Bad+popular metal" for some people and that won't ever change.


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