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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:56 pm 
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I think one way to stop some comparisons to Tarja with the new singer, even though there still be some, is to not look back and continue on with new material. This is our new singer and this is how she sings, this is her style, this is the direction we are going in.
Dont play the older material, cause that will just draw comparisons and the band will be forever known as the singer who couldnt get out of Tarja's shadow. And that would ruin every band there is.

Like i said before, which ever avenue they tread down, they are in a deep hole.


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i'd like to see Johanna DePierre( ex Amaran singer)
step in as the frontwoman.

Please, she couldn't begin to fill Tarja's shoes. Good singer, but like Elisa C. Martin, she would fail miserably.


I think she could do a good job with the most recent work, but where it would become more interesting is with new material. Although I agree she wouldn't be great on the oldest material. I say they should look forward and simply choose a vocalist that fits the direction they want to go towards.

I disagree. She hasn't the right tone of voice or the range needed to do even the more recent material. No way. Good vocalist, though, and a good band (Amaran), but she would not even remotely be a good choice.


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I don't think she's going to go into the opera world either. She has a very, very lucrative career as a pop artist. She had a gold single in Finland last year and a duet with the winner of the German pop-idol contest. Her career will probably go more towards mainstream music than anything else, IMO.

Yeah, but that single was extremely mellow, and definitely a classical single. And one has to question why people bought that single? Because of her or Nightwish? I know I picked it up because she was the singer of Nightwish. Most other people probably did that same.


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in my opinion they should rather carry on with the bass player Marco as vocalist (anyone fancy Tarot?), rather than hiring another female singer.
this change could bring some welcome new energy to the band, which hasn't recorded anything good since 2000 (although the sales seem to prove otherwise)


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Garand wrote:
in my opinion they should rather carry on with the bass player Marco as vocalist (anyone fancy Tarot?), rather than hiring another female singer.
this change could bring some welcome new energy to the band, which hasn't recorded anything good since 2000 (although the sales seem to prove otherwise)


I would like to see that as an option, using Marco as the main vocalist. It would bring in new life, plus bring in new fans who may have been swayed away by Tarja's style, if they werent a fan of that style.
Nothing good since 2000? You gotta be kidding. Once is easily their best album. Yes, better than Oceanborn, better than Wishmaster, easily better than Century Child and Angels Fall First.


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'Once' is an overproduced album and definitely style over substance. the mainstream popularity doesn't seem to do the bang good either. I preferred them more an amusing indie power metal band on Wishmaster and Ocanborn


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Sad to hear that Tarja is gone. But if what Tuomas is saying is true (and I dont doubt it since Empu, Jukka, and Marco had some say in the matter), then it was the only thing to do.

Garand wrote:
in my opinion they should rather carry on with the bass player Marco as vocalist (anyone fancy Tarot?), rather than hiring another female singer.


I was thinking about this myself (I think Marco's backing vocals on the last two albums rock), but wouldn't that totally eliminate the band's ability to play any of its back catalog (including "Once") ? Plus Tuomas stated in the letter that they are looking for a female vocalist.

Speaking of which, look at this on the bright side. They are looking for a female vocalist, so Tim Owens cant audition, which means he wont be able to fuck up yet another great band (RIP Iced Earth, Judas Priest would have joined you had Halford not come back when he did).


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Holy fuck some really hursh comments in this one...IMO there is no Nightwish with out Tarja.Her voice was the character and soul of the band although she contributed absolutely nothing,She will be replaced but it wont be the same for me at least.Still if all the thing in the
announcement were true then she is a total bitch and needs to be replaced.Time will tell if nightwish can whether such a change


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Natas wrote:

Garand wrote:
in my opinion they should rather carry on with the bass player Marco as vocalist (anyone fancy Tarot?), rather than hiring another female singer.


I was thinking about this myself (I think Marco's backing vocals on the last two albums rock), but wouldn't that totally eliminate the band's ability to play any of its back catalog (including "Once") ?


I didn't think about that :idea: but it would be fun to hear if he tried to do those songs...

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They are looking for a female vocalist, so Tim Owens cant audition, which means he wont be able to fuck up yet another great band (RIP Iced Earth, Judas Priest would have joined you had Halford not come back when he did)


or can he? he seems to possess the vocal range necessary to paly as a woman :wink:
seriously speaking though why on earth do you blame him for screwing up those bands? he just did what they wanted him to do. those bands' downfall is the fault only of their long time leaders, who seem to have run out of inspiration. plus, Demolition isn't all that bad.


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An opera singer will draw comparisons, as will any other type singer who has been in a similar band as Nightwish.

I disagree. Everything after Oceanborn has had Tarja singing in a more traditional female tone...[/quote]
Using another opera singer at this point would actually constitute a change in style considering Nightwish's latest two albums. Picking a more pop-orientated female vocalist (which Tarja was turning into) would only move them further away from Oceanborn, which I think most fans would agree was their best Era, atleast vocal-wise.
A stronger, more metalorientated vocalist like Irene Jansen would be interesting, but I think there would be problems with older material when they play live.
My pick would be someone who sang 'sort of' like Tarja did in the three first albums, but just different enough not to be a wannabe.


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Garand wrote:
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seriously speaking though why on earth do you blame him for screwing up those bands? he just did what they wanted him to do. those bands' downfall is the fault only of their long time leaders, who seem to have run out of inspiration. plus, Demolition isn't all that bad.


I honestly dont have an argument for that one. And yes I do blame Jon Schaffer for the death of Iced Earth (face it, the band is done, he's gonna fuck up the continuation to Something Wicked, and the band's fate will be sealed.) I guess its because I just hate his vocals so much (I admit that Matt Barlow is one of my favorite vocalists). It would be pretty funny to hear him sing just one Nightwish song, just for the hell of it (It wont be good, since nothing he sings is good, but it would be interesting). Hell, I'd love to hear Tarja sing some Iced Earth stuff, cant do any worse than Ripper. She actually has talent. I cant say the same for Ripper.


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I would like to see that as an option, using Marco as the main vocalist. It would bring in new life, plus bring in new fans who may have been swayed away by Tarja's style, if they werent a fan of that style.

And ofcourse remove their old fanbase in the process, they would have to toss their entire discography in the garbagebin and start anew writing material for live performances. I mean, could you imagine Marco singing Elvenpath solo? Personally I try not to. :lol:

Luckily Tuomas already states that they will look for a new female singer.


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like i said before, Marco's voice after a few verses gets pretty annoying. he has an odd voice and personally i couldn't listen to it for a whole song.. i don't want him as the main singer.

someone said they shouldn't play old songs live any more.. no way! surely they can get a ssinger that can fill her shoes, and any way i don't think they should jsut deny that whole part of their existence.

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operatic soprano vocalists are so generic these days... I long for rougher-edged female singers like Doro or Lita Ford a lot...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:22 pm 
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seriously speaking though why on earth do you blame him for screwing up those bands? he just did what they wanted him to do. those bands' downfall is the fault only of their long time leaders, who seem to have run out of inspiration. plus, Demolition isn't all that bad.


I honestly dont have an argument for that one. And yes I do blame Jon Schaffer for the death of Iced Earth (face it, the band is done, he's gonna fuck up the continuation to Something Wicked, and the band's fate will be sealed.) I guess its because I just hate his vocals so much (I admit that Matt Barlow is one of my favorite vocalists). It would be pretty funny to hear him sing just one Nightwish song, just for the hell of it (It wont be good, since nothing he sings is good, but it would be interesting). Hell, I'd love to hear Tarja sing some Iced Earth stuff, cant do any worse than Ripper. She actually has talent. I cant say the same for Ripper.

Wait a minute...how did Iced Earth get brought into this? And Tim Owens can't sing? Are you crazy?? Iced Earth is done? Dude, you're my new least favorite poster! :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:23 pm 
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like i said before, Marco's voice after a few verses gets pretty annoying. he has an odd voice and personally i couldn't listen to it for a whole song.. i don't want him as the main singer.

someone said they shouldn't play old songs live any more.. no way! surely they can get a ssinger that can fill her shoes, and any way i don't think they should jsut deny that whole part of their existence.

I think his voice is quite good, actually. Listen to Tarot for further proof to my genius comments.


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Wait a minute...how did Iced Earth get brought into this? And Tim Owens can't sing? Are you crazy?? Iced Earth is done? Dude, you're my new least favorite poster! :shock:


Actually, the reason I mentioned Iced Earth was because I had just listened to "The Glorius Failure" (aka "The Glorius Burden") right before reading this board, and as usual, Ripper's vocals made me cringe, so I stated as such in my post. I know it was completely random, but whatever.

As for being your least favorite poster, I can live with that. And if you happen to like Ripper, thats fine too. I am not big on crushing anybody based on their opinions. However, if you did happen to say that Ripper is better than Barlow than you are my second least favorite poster on any board I have ever been on (my least favorite being the one that tried to argue that KISS were better musicians than Iced Earth, FYI).


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eyesore - i replied based on what i heard on Once. i can only be arsed to check out Tarot if he sings differently with them.

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I honestly dont have an argument for that one. And yes I do blame Jon Schaffer for the death of Iced Earth (face it, the band is done, he's gonna fuck up the continuation to Something Wicked, and the band's fate will be sealed.) I guess its because I just hate his vocals so much (I admit that Matt Barlow is one of my favorite vocalists). It would be pretty funny to hear him sing just one Nightwish song, just for the hell of it (It wont be good, since nothing he sings is good, but it would be interesting). Hell, I'd love to hear Tarja sing some Iced Earth stuff, cant do any worse than Ripper. She actually has talent. I cant say the same for Ripper.


So you have a crystal ball that says IE is done.So you know everything I guess we have to listen to you now don't we because you said IE is done which means their done.Everyone please listen to Natas because he knows everything :roll:

Seriously dude just because you don't like Owens or IE anymore doesn't mean they're done quite the contrary I believe they are just starting again.

And for your information I do like Barlow's voice but he's gone like Tarja is gone from Nightwish get over it.


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like i said before, Marco's voice after a few verses gets pretty annoying. he has an odd voice and personally i couldn't listen to it for a whole song.. i don't want him as the main singer.

someone said they shouldn't play old songs live any more.. no way! surely they can get a ssinger that can fill her shoes, and any way i don't think they should jsut deny that whole part of their existence.

I think his voice is quite good, actually. Listen to Tarot for further proof to my genius comments.


Bullseye.Just listen to songs like Pyro Of Gods from Suffer Our Pleasures and you can tell this guy is a pretty damn good singer.


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