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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:14 pm 
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Alcest - Le Secret
Ambient Black Metal
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:37 pm 
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Nice review, man. I agree that the melancholy aspects were far outweighed by the triumphant love for the music, although I still picked up winter themes, almost as if Neige was walking through a snow-laden winter forest, but instead of musing on his solitude, taking notice of the beauty of his surroundings.

But the best music has many interpretations, haha.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:36 pm 
a beatiful release :P ... but i would probably have loved it even more with less "ambience/atmosphere" from time to time, but only a little. Some would probably claim that it good that way, since you have to "work" a little harder to fully get the full out of the music...



Vivaldi ist krieg! :roll:


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Great review! You have officially sold me on this release. What's the name of the distro that you got it from?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:44 pm 
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One amazing release! I can hear nature very strong on this album, sometimes spring, sometimes winter and sometimes autumn. It's quite evident that we take this kinda music completely differently, I do hear a lot of natures beauty on this album, all the time in fact. Moreover I hear sadness in this beauty, even more so in the vocals on the first track. I don't hear anything ugly about this album (uglyness as in the orgy you described), or malevolence. Even the raw parts seem to flow with gentle dynamics to me, and I hear every emotion I described in my post just as well here as in the accoustic passages. Maybe it's because I hardly listen to black other than this type that I have no trouble to find melody in what you seem to look at as raw guitarviolence. Gotta love the review by the way, although we differ in how we take the music to our hearts, you did put a lot of feeling into it, which I'd love to see more reviewers do (I always tried to do the same thing). One more thing, I think it's atmospheric, not ambient.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:55 pm 
he he yeah... i agwee with Misha


skullthrone of satan, you can get it at blackmetaldvds.com if you want... but be quick, it's limited :wink: got my copy over a month ago, and already back then it was tough to find... good luck! :P


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Astaroth wrote:
he he yeah... i agwee with Misha


skullthrone of satan, you can get it at blackmetaldvds.com if you want... but be quick, it's limited :wink: got my copy over a month ago, and already back then it was tough to find... good luck! :P


Noted. Thank you much!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:42 pm 
Salvation Distro is where I found it at


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:48 pm 
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One amazing release! I can hear nature very strong on this album, sometimes spring, sometimes winter and sometimes autumn. It's quite evident that we take this kinda music completely differently, I do hear a lot of natures beauty on this album, all the time in fact. Moreover I hear sadness in this beauty, even more so in the vocals on the first track. I don't hear anything ugly about this album (uglyness as in the orgy you described), or malevolence. Even the raw parts seem to flow with gentle dynamics to me, and I hear every emotion I described in my post just as well here as in the accoustic passages. Maybe it's because I hardly listen to black other than this type that I have no trouble to find melody in what you seem to look at as raw guitarviolence. Gotta love the review by the way, although we differ in how we take the music to our hearts, you did put a lot of feeling into it, which I'd love to see more reviewers do (I always tried to do the same thing). One more thing, I think it's atmospheric, not ambient.


I understand what you are saying, and I am glad there is a possibility many people can interpret music differently. When I said "orgy" I didn't mean violence. Orgy does not have to violent, and that is why I also used bacchanalia word in the same sentence. When ancient Greeks were celebrating the god of wine Dyonisius they were engaging in "orgies" that were very peaceful, not violent at all. They would drink wine, be loud, trample grass, and kinda be happy within themselves not noticing the beautiful nature outside of them, not until the hangover passed anyway. This is how I feel about Le Secret. The beauty of nature is a bystander to a personal triumphant celebration, an orgy of the spirit, if you will. And it is creatures of the wood who would be engaged in it the most (read satyrs).


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Alex@MetalReviews.com wrote:
Gast1 wrote:
One amazing release! I can hear nature very strong on this album, sometimes spring, sometimes winter and sometimes autumn. It's quite evident that we take this kinda music completely differently, I do hear a lot of natures beauty on this album, all the time in fact. Moreover I hear sadness in this beauty, even more so in the vocals on the first track. I don't hear anything ugly about this album (uglyness as in the orgy you described), or malevolence. Even the raw parts seem to flow with gentle dynamics to me, and I hear every emotion I described in my post just as well here as in the accoustic passages. Maybe it's because I hardly listen to black other than this type that I have no trouble to find melody in what you seem to look at as raw guitarviolence. Gotta love the review by the way, although we differ in how we take the music to our hearts, you did put a lot of feeling into it, which I'd love to see more reviewers do (I always tried to do the same thing). One more thing, I think it's atmospheric, not ambient.


I understand what you are saying, and I am glad there is a possibility many people can interpret music differently. When I said "orgy" I didn't mean violence. Orgy does not have to violent, and that is why I also used bacchanalia word in the same sentence. When ancient Greeks were celebrating the god of wine Dyonisius they were engaging in "orgies" that were very peaceful, not violent at all. They would drink wine, be loud, trample grass, and kinda be happy within themselves not noticing the beautiful nature outside of them, not until the hangover passed anyway. This is how I feel about Le Secret. The beauty of nature is a bystander to a personal triumphant celebration, an orgy of the spirit, if you will. And it is creatures of the wood who would be engaged in it the most (read satyrs).

I understand now, but I don't feel it the same way. If I want to listen to something triumphant I'll pick some Seigneur Voland or other French NSBM, I don't hear any thriump... strange... I do hear the beauty of nature and its integrated melancholy.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:35 pm 
Never heard Seigneur Voland, Kristalnacht or some such thing. You know my attitude about NSBM, so let's not go there.
I guess the "triumph" I am talking about is not above or over other human beings, nature, etc. It is basically a personal enjoyment, when you revel in a beauty around you, with not much regard of what goes on around you, i.e. you are bouncing around in your party/orgy, without noticing that you are having this party in the beautiful forest meadow, valley, etc.

I am glad we are allowed our own interpretations, imagine how boring it woudl be if everyone saw everything the same way.


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Alex@MetalReviews.com wrote:
Never heard Seigneur Voland, Kristalnacht or some such thing. You know my attitude about NSBM, so let's not go there.
I guess the "triumph" I am talking about is not above or over other human beings, nature, etc. It is basically a personal enjoyment, when you revel in a beauty around you, with not much regard of what goes on around you, i.e. you are bouncing around in your party/orgy, without noticing that you are having this party in the beautiful forest meadow, valley, etc.

I am glad we are allowed our own interpretations, imagine how boring it woudl be if everyone saw everything the same way.

Yeah, I'm not saying your interpretation is wrong :D But I don't think you thought I was saying that... Still strange it sounds like a party to you...


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I received this album a few days ago (after waiting a month or so after I ordered it :evil: ) and I really think it is a great release. I also hear very much 'natural beauty' in the music which is one of the reasons why I like it. I found the vocals in the end of Le Secret somewhat annoying but that is probably just me and my strange relationship with clean vocals in black metal. 84,735618/100 from me.

By the way. I like the way the review describes the music in terms of what it invokes along with the formal description of the music, although I do not entirely agree.


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