Metal Reviews

OFC, I am intrigued by your fierce support of Graveland. As I am a BM noob and have not heard them, I need to know where to start. What do you suggest?

Even "In the Nightside Eclipse"?

If that's commercial, well.....

Emperor is good, but a tad bit overrated because they seem to be one of the few BM bands non BMheads listen to

True (although I don't think they're overrated), but if that's the case, why put Immortal on there?

Actually, I really don't know why I care. The guy who made the list is obviously not the be all end all of BM knowledge.

I own "Over a Decade of Perversions."

I actually thought it was pretty funny (if you don't take it serious that is). I was expecting something completely different when I first heard it. I'll just say I was pleasantly surprised after my first spin.

Hmmm... I'd say Creed of Iron (3rd best, IMO), because it's a little easier to get, but you could always buy a bootleg of Thousand Swords (best) or The Celtic Winter (2nd best), or even spend a bundle on an actual original. I should warn you, though, Rob Darken is quite insane in the Nazi-Brain. If you can get past that, which is easy really, then I bet the music will find a place in your heart.

It's people like that guy who make me laugh at what black metal becomes in the hands of over zealous idiots.

'True Black Metal' can suck my ass, good music is good music and I'll take it any day of the week over something that clings onto archaic ideas of uber grymness just to impress some moron at ruthless reviews.

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If good music is good music, why bother looking at the spectacle half (The tr00ness) at all? Don't enjoy it? Turn the volume up and close your eyes.

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No shit. It's not like I'm going to refuse to listen to any underground Black Metal that is respected by the tr00er black metal fans, but that doesn't change how I feel about people who are obsessed only with how kvlt their internet black metal list is.

If your reason for a band being bad is that they aren't true black metal, you're a fucking retard. That's all.

No arguement there.

Agreed,and i also think that all of that tr00 and kvlt shit,atracts a lot of posers even more than gay power metal.

The reason why bands like Dimmy and CoF are bad is because they suck, they reek of pomposity and pretentiousness, it just so happens that they are not true Black metal.
And it just do happens that the so-called True, raw black metal is superior in every aspect and is called true because it lives up to strict aesthetical criteria. Take the list for example: the first slot went to Tenebrae in Perpetuum, and they are a perfect exmple of the "true" aeshetic.
The main problem with the underground is the saturation of bands that think just because you don corpsepaint and play raw minimalist music, it is automatically aesthetically true Black metal... this is of course false. That makes it more difficult to seperate the wheat from the chaff, but it is well worth it to find the few exalted examples of what the art of Black metal is SUPPOSED to be..
CoF and Dimmy (and many others), call (or used to) themselves Black metal,
and they just aren't, thereby earning the scorn from those that know the underground... the equivalent of poseuerdom, if you will. Black metal is necro, grim, minimalist and raw. And hearing bands like Dimmy and CoF and their ilk referred to as Black metal is the same as a typical metalhead hearing somebody claim that Guns and Roses is Thrash. Maybe not the best example, but you get my point.
Should anybody refuse to listen to them because of their "falseness"? That is a personal decision, of course, but if they are given the proverbial spin and deemed as a waste of time,
that is just the way it goes... I have given all of CoF's and Dimmy's albums a chance and they all failed... miserably. I like a few of their respective tracks (Queen of Winter, Throned) but that is all.
It is well known that the Black Metal underground is oftentimes accused of elitism, and rightly so; we want our art to be preserved undefiled, if that doesn't sit well with some, thats too fucking bad, I personally couldn't care less.
I do agree that good music is good music, though, and listen to other styles, notably true Batcave/Deathrock (Dead Roses Garden, Cinema Strange), a smattering of Punk (Discharge, Dr.Know), Horrorpunk (The Crimson Ghosts, Calabrese, and of course the Misfits/Samhain) and Psychobilly (Asmodeus, Damage Done By Worms, Godless Wicked Creeps) and even a little '80's pop haha!
V.

Poseurs are a trait of all sub-genres, Thrash included. There were, are and will always be the true and the poseur, only time can tell.
Whats your point?
Why continue throwing out the threadbare terms "tr00" and "kvlt"?
As if Thrash and Death metal do not have poseurs in their midst...
V.

Emperor and Graveland are overrated. I'll try to come up with a list of bands worthy to check out soon...

OMG DOOD YUO TEH UBERFUKKINNEKROKVTL!!!!111

...and who the fuck are Dark Divinty and Luxuria de Lilith anyway?

I lkie it all. Most forms of rock/metal. I can listen to 80s Poison and put in A Graveland cd or Taake, Windir and enjoy it without any adjustements? Maybe there is something wrong with me. I just dont get into all of this other stuff. Like many here have stated (Good music is good music ..........Period!) of course wether we as the fans or consumers like it or not, well that can be a different story

You disagree with the assessment of those bands?
aside from the funny descriptions
(and the inclusion of Graveland, though I feel they are way overrated), he is right... I would also add 1349 to that list and remove Immortal from the worthy list.
How can he cite Immortal and neglect Xasthur, Vargsang, Black Blood and many others that are keeping the old ways alive?
V.

Uh..they were taking the piss out of him. I see you don't go there often!

Personally, although I'm just beginning my BM journey, I view the band's music rather than the band as the important factor. OK< some bands are more interested than others than keeping the scene "pure", but a lot of interesting stuff came as a result of "impurities", ie Arcturus, Ulver, Dodheimsgard etc. I like the experimental stuff in general more than the uber-necro stuff, but then I have have lots of each to listen to, open-minded as to the band if the music is good enough (in Graveland's case, although seeing Rob Darken's pic that I posted in the "gay" thread in Helheim, maybe I shouldn't bother! ).

yeah, fuck off immortal and there is far better stuff than graveland around. but that's just a matter of taste, i'm sure he hasn't heard all of it, so it's logical he can't include all. the same goes for us.

I didn't take that seriously, but I'm getting sick of the constant bashing. Woohoo, someone discovered that Cradle Of Filth and Dimmu Borgir are not true BM, how impressive!!!
Yeah, Graveland are a tad overrated (I just find they haven't been progressing at all with their newer stuff, though The Fire of Awakening is a brilliant album IMO), but defining them "poser synth BM" is ridiculous - following this train of thought, we'd have Summoning being the next to be cast into the trashcan, and other interesting acts such as Nokturnal Mortum as well, probably.

But again, I didn't take it all too seriously; also, you have correctly pointed out the astonishing absence of some pretty essential names, therefore I can safely say I'm done with this.[/i]