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Actually, the Aussies are just as gay but they are simply repressed, seeing as how gayness is a much bigger taboo there than in Yankland or Pomland. Did anyone see that neighbours storyline with Sky and Lana? :shock:


Thankfully, my interest in soaps went out of the window with the TV all those years ago. Real life is mad enough for me.

And, Rio, mate, just because it happened on Neighbours doesn't mean it is like that for real! :wink:


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This might well be the dumbest post ever. It doesn't even make any sense. Not that any of his posts really have. Hey, novak (who is actually his mate), why don't you go to the "sexual offenders section" and see if anybody wants to play hide the salami.


Obviously he interpreted the question to be something along the lines of "So, Desolitary, is this a genuine recantation of your beliefs, or is it just to stop getting buttfucked in prison? Because if you give me a descent explanation I may take pity on you and allow the later to not take place." (the rest of it follows from this premise) Which is a perfectly valid understanding, quite possibly it is very different from the interpretations of the statement that others would derive, but nobody really knows what anyone else is talking about anyway; all words are empty symbols that we attach our own imagery and meaning to, so what you derive from my post would be completely different to what someone else would derive from it, my words would reflect back your experiences, they would carry a unique synthesis of memories and implications that nobody else would be able to fathom.


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This might well be the dumbest post ever. It doesn't even make any sense. Not that any of his posts really have. Hey, novak (who is actually his mate), why don't you go to the "sexual offenders section" and see if anybody wants to play hide the salami.


Obviously he interpreted the question to be something along the lines of "So, Desolitary, is this a genuine recantation of your beliefs, or is it just to stop getting buttfucked in prison? Because if you give me a descent explanation I may take pity on you and allow the later to not take place." (the rest of it follows from this premise) Which is a perfectly valid understanding, quite possibly it is very different from the interpretations of the statement that others would derive, but nobody really knows what anyone else is talking about anyway; all words are empty symbols that we attach our own imagery and meaning to, so what you derive from my post would be completely different to what someone else would derive from it, my words would reflect back your experiences, they would carry a unique synthesis of memories and implications that nobody else would be able to fathom.


I can understand that, but he deserved something for his random string of vitriol he came in here needlessly spewing. One should not jump into the middle of a (mostly) civil conversation and start calling people "fucking idiots" or "ignorant Americans".


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This might well be the dumbest post ever. It doesn't even make any sense. Not that any of his posts really have. Hey, novak (who is actually his mate), why don't you go to the "sexual offenders section" and see if anybody wants to play hide the salami.


Obviously he interpreted the question to be something along the lines of "So, Desolitary, is this a genuine recantation of your beliefs, or is it just to stop getting buttfucked in prison? Because if you give me a descent explanation I may take pity on you and allow the later to not take place." (the rest of it follows from this premise) Which is a perfectly valid understanding, quite possibly it is very different from the interpretations of the statement that others would derive, but nobody really knows what anyone else is talking about anyway; all words are empty symbols that we attach our own imagery and meaning to, so what you derive from my post would be completely different to what someone else would derive from it, my words would reflect back your experiences, they would carry a unique synthesis of memories and implications that nobody else would be able to fathom.


I can understand that, but he deserved something for his random string of vitriol he came in here needlessly spewing. One should not jump into the middle of a (mostly) civil conversation and start calling people "fucking idiots" or "ignorant Americans".


Especially when they're not even Americans! :roll:

And people do take different things away from another's words, but only when they have a particular emotional impact for them, like poetry, which was far from what that was.

A serious question for you, Mr Churchburner: if Christianity and Judaism are the root of all evil in the world, as sites such as www.churcharson.com claim, then why not burn synagogues down? Why pick on churches?


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And people do take different things away from another's words, but only when they have a particular emotional impact for them, like poetry, which was far from what that was.


You make that distinction purely out of social expectation, there is no inherent difference between a poem and a colloquial conversation, it's only the assumption that colloquial speech is supposed to be comprehensible that makes people believe that they know what other people are talking about. All words essentially have an ambiguous meaning; if I say 'tree' I personally think of a cartoonish thing, the sort of plant that you would find on a childrens cartoon show, you may think of an oak, someone else may think of a pine. It's only the facts that in most situations people don't really need to know the specific content of someone else's words to perform a given task and that nobody really cares about what anyone else is saying that makes people so comfortable in their vague understandings of one another's expressions. Most people only ever read into other people's words just enough to be able to draw basic structures and stereotyped forms and for the most part, even if these interpretations are false, others will go along with them because doing so is the path of least resistance; most people would rather go along with the general consensus on a semantic than take a stand and say that their words are actually being grossly misinterpreted (even though it is inevitable for them to be somewhat misinterpreted).

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A serious question for you, Mr Churchburner: if Christianity and Judaism are the root of all evil in the world, as sites such as www.churcharson.com claim, then why not burn synagogues down? Why pick on churches?


I don't find this question serious at all. Why must I strive for some sort of equality in this matter? Just because they are equally degenerate does not mean that what I do to one I must do to the other; I'm not trying to create a pleasing symmetry out of the furniture here.


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And people do take different things away from another's words, but only when they have a particular emotional impact for them, like poetry, which was far from what that was.


You make that distinction purely out of social expectation, there is no inherent difference between a poem and a colloquial conversation, it's only the assumption that colloquial speech is supposed to be comprehensible that makes people believe that they know what other people are talking about. All words essentially have an ambiguous meaning; if I say 'tree' I personally think of a cartoonish thing, the sort of plant that you would find on a childrens cartoon show, you may think of an oak, someone else may think of a pine. It's only the facts that in most situations people don't really need to know the specific content of someone else's words to perform a given task and that nobody really cares about what anyone else is saying that makes people so comfortable in their vague understandings of one another's expressions. Most people only ever read into other people's words just enough to be able to draw basic structures and stereotyped forms and for the most part, even if these interpretations are false, others will go along with them because doing so is the path of least resistance; most people would rather go along with the general consensus on a semantic than take a stand and say that their words are actually being grossly misinterpreted (even though it is inevitable for them to be somewhat misinterpreted).

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A serious question for you, Mr Churchburner: if Christianity and Judaism are the root of all evil in the world, as sites such as www.churcharson.com claim, then why not burn synagogues down? Why pick on churches?


I don't find this question serious at all. Why must I strive for some sort of equality in this matter? Just because they are equally degenerate does not mean that what I do to one I must do to the other; I'm not trying to create a pleasing symmetry out of the furniture here.


"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

-Shakespeare, Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5


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And people do take different things away from another's words, but only when they have a particular emotional impact for them, like poetry, which was far from what that was.


You make that distinction purely out of social expectation, there is no inherent difference between a poem and a colloquial conversation, it's only the assumption that colloquial speech is supposed to be comprehensible that makes people believe that they know what other people are talking about. All words essentially have an ambiguous meaning; if I say 'tree' I personally think of a cartoonish thing, the sort of plant that you would find on a childrens cartoon show, you may think of an oak, someone else may think of a pine. It's only the facts that in most situations people don't really need to know the specific content of someone else's words to perform a given task and that nobody really cares about what anyone else is saying that makes people so comfortable in their vague understandings of one another's expressions. Most people only ever read into other people's words just enough to be able to draw basic structures and stereotyped forms and for the most part, even if these interpretations are false, others will go along with them because doing so is the path of least resistance; most people would rather go along with the general consensus on a semantic than take a stand and say that their words are actually being grossly misinterpreted (even though it is inevitable for them to be somewhat misinterpreted).

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A serious question for you, Mr Churchburner: if Christianity and Judaism are the root of all evil in the world, as sites such as www.churcharson.com claim, then why not burn synagogues down? Why pick on churches?


I don't find this question serious at all. Why must I strive for some sort of equality in this matter? Just because they are equally degenerate does not mean that what I do to one I must do to the other; I'm not trying to create a pleasing symmetry out of the furniture here.


"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

-Shakespeare, Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5


:lol:

Seriously, answer the question: if xtianity is from Judaism then Judaism is the source, no? Go after the source!


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Majstorovic... is that a Jewish name?
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Majstorovic... is that a Jewish name?
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Not a common one! :lol:


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Seriously, answer the question: if xtianity is from Judaism then Judaism is the source, no? Go after the source!


The Judaic and Christian Gods are two seperate entities, the God of the Jews was living; he had flurries of wrath and jealousy and emotion generally, he favoured the Jews over other races, he was capricious and cruel. The God of the Christians was dead, he, through his vessel on earth, brought the message of peace and love and good will to all; he had the mentality of a cadaver. Although the Judaic God has some characteristics in common with the Christian one, it is the Christian one that is the better representative of the kind of personality that is nurtured in western society.


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Seriously, answer the question: if xtianity is from Judaism then Judaism is the source, no? Go after the source!


The Judaic and Christian Gods are two seperate entities, the God of the Jews was living; he had flurries of wrath and jealousy and emotion generally, he favoured the Jews over other races, he was capricious and cruel. The God of the Christians was dead, he, through his vessel on earth, brought the message of peace and love and good will to all; he had the mentality of a cadaver. Although the Judaic God has some characteristics in common with the Christian one, it is the Christian one that is the better representative of the kind of personality that is nurtured in western society.


I see you argue with www.churcharson.com then! I quote:

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If years of work for "reform" pay off, someday the situation will be different. Any intelligent AntiChrist methodology at that point will involve a consolidation of strength, public education in the ways of science and logic for our individual members, and actions taken against the remaining believers. The new society must first stabilize itself and come to a point of economic self-sufficience and growth in social, intellectual, economic, technological and cultural areas. Once this is achieved, the executions of diehard Christians and Jews should bother no one.


Personally, I fail to see how this differs from fascism. There are various sub-cults in the church-burning world, eh?


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Anyways, I'm sure you didn't think all this up on your own (no offence) at 19 years of age, so I'm assuming you got involved with some secret society or something.


I'm sorry that your own teenage years were so inane that you need to believe what you said in order to retain some dignity. It's not very difficult to see the problems of society, all in all it's not especially difficult to solve them either; all one needs to do is open one's eyes and look about him with a lucid mind, instead scratching ones arse and looking for the next opportunity to let lose some nihilistic indignation.

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There's nothing you can do!


How about you carry your philosophy through to its natural conclusion and place a bullet through in your skull so that I don't have to waste my time reading this nay saying shite.


Hey, believe me, I'm a lot more sympathetic to your cause than 99.5% of the world's population. It's very hard to solve society's problems, and it'll take more than a teenager burning down churches to solve them. You could also try answering me sensibly instead of getting all shirty.


It would do him a lot of good to learn some manners or get the fuck out of here.
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Stop trying so hard to be oooohhh soooo evil, honestly it's becoming just a bit trite.
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It is this quote here on page six that I was referring to zasterboombox. People usually quote something to respond to it. you did'nt, you just quoted this thing that started off with. It suprised me and i thought it was an in joke and some sort of chain mail thing. It was posted on: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:27 pm

Also it seems that this churcharson site is a satanic one. i didn't know such sites existed, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Novak isn't a satanist though, so the beliefs spewed from this site don't apply to novak's. also the reason why he didn't destroy a synagogue is the same reason why he didn't destroy the vatican

Cricket isn't my cup of tea, but thanks for the condolences. my congratualtions to the umpires, who were the 3rd team. Can I ask for your condolences for Australia losing the Rugby World Cup final to England as well (last year or the year before) in the dying secondsl or is that asking for too much? In turn the only thing i guess I can give condolences to you from my end of the world is the 3-1 score in the soccer (football) friendly the aussie's won against you 3 or 3 years ago and that Australians are slightly better at tennis than you guys. My condolences, i hope you get over it, just like i hope i can get over the ashes we lost for the first time in a while

Majstorovic isn't a jewish name and doesn't even sound jewish as it doesn't end with stein or berg, so it was a lame joke. Majstorovic is a Serbian/Montonegrian name


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Anyways, I'm sure you didn't think all this up on your own (no offence) at 19 years of age, so I'm assuming you got involved with some secret society or something.


I'm sorry that your own teenage years were so inane that you need to believe what you said in order to retain some dignity. It's not very difficult to see the problems of society, all in all it's not especially difficult to solve them either; all one needs to do is open one's eyes and look about him with a lucid mind, instead scratching ones arse and looking for the next opportunity to let lose some nihilistic indignation.

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There's nothing you can do!


How about you carry your philosophy through to its natural conclusion and place a bullet through in your skull so that I don't have to waste my time reading this nay saying shite.


Hey, believe me, I'm a lot more sympathetic to your cause than 99.5% of the world's population. It's very hard to solve society's problems, and it'll take more than a teenager burning down churches to solve them. You could also try answering me sensibly instead of getting all shirty.


It would do him a lot of good to learn some manners or get the fuck out of here.
Hey desolitary:
Stop trying so hard to be oooohhh soooo evil, honestly it's becoming just a bit trite.
V


It is this quote here on page six that I was referring to zasterboombox. People usually quote something to respond to it. you did'nt, you just quoted this thing that started off with. It suprised me and i thought it was an in joke and some sort of chain mail thing. It was posted on: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:27 pm

Also it seems that this churcharson site is a satanic one. i didn't know such sites existed, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Novak isn't a satanist though, so the beliefs spewed from this site don't apply to novak's. also the reason why he didn't destroy a synagogue is the same reason why he didn't destroy the vatican


Because he can't afford to go to Rome?


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Anyways, I'm sure you didn't think all this up on your own (no offence) at 19 years of age, so I'm assuming you got involved with some secret society or something.


I'm sorry that your own teenage years were so inane that you need to believe what you said in order to retain some dignity. It's not very difficult to see the problems of society, all in all it's not especially difficult to solve them either; all one needs to do is open one's eyes and look about him with a lucid mind, instead scratching ones arse and looking for the next opportunity to let lose some nihilistic indignation.

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There's nothing you can do!


How about you carry your philosophy through to its natural conclusion and place a bullet through in your skull so that I don't have to waste my time reading this nay saying shite.


Hey, believe me, I'm a lot more sympathetic to your cause than 99.5% of the world's population. It's very hard to solve society's problems, and it'll take more than a teenager burning down churches to solve them. You could also try answering me sensibly instead of getting all shirty.


It would do him a lot of good to learn some manners or get the fuck out of here.
Hey desolitary:
Stop trying so hard to be oooohhh soooo evil, honestly it's becoming just a bit trite.
V


It is this quote here on page six that I was referring to zasterboombox. People usually quote something to respond to it. you did'nt, you just quoted this thing that started off with. It suprised me and i thought it was an in joke and some sort of chain mail thing. It was posted on: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:27 pm

Also it seems that this churcharson site is a satanic one. i didn't know such sites existed, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Novak isn't a satanist though, so the beliefs spewed from this site don't apply to novak's. also the reason why he didn't destroy a synagogue is the same reason why he didn't destroy the vatican

Cricket isn't my cup of tea, but thanks for the condolences. my congratualtions to the umpires, who were the 3rd team. Can I ask for your condolences for Australia losing the Rugby World Cup final to England as well (last year or the year before) in the dying secondsl or is that asking for too much? In turn the only thing i guess I can give condolences to you from my end of the world is the 3-1 score in the soccer (football) friendly the aussie's won against you 3 or 3 years ago and that Australians are slightly better at tennis than you guys. My condolences, i hope you get over it, just like i hope i can get over the ashes we lost for the first time in a while

Majstorovic isn't a jewish name and doesn't even sound jewish as it doesn't end with stein or berg, so it was a lame joke. Majstorovic is a Serbian/Montonegrian name


I was going to commit suicide, but now I'm not, I managed to get over it. Praise Be.

And I had no idea Majstorovic wasn't a Jewish name, thank you for being so clever and informing me it was a Serbian one.

I wish you luck and pleasantness in your life, whether you burn down churches or choose not to.


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I can understand that, but he deserved something for his random string of vitriol he came in here needlessly spewing. One should not jump into the middle of a (mostly) civil conversation and start calling people "fucking idiots" or "ignorant Americans".


I deserved something? How nice. im not sure whether needlessly is meant to be heedlessly and is just a typo. This was/is not a coversation at all, let alone a civil one, which conjures imagry of sipping tea in front of a fire plave discussing poetry. a conversation is verbal, for one. i was sticking up for one of my best mates, and i would do alot more then call people fucking idiots and ignorant americans to help him or any of my mates out. im sure mnay of you would do the same.


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I deserved something? How nice. im not sure whether needlessly is meant to be heedlessly and is just a typo. This was/is not a coversation at all, let alone a civil one, which conjures imagry of sipping tea in front of a fire plave discussing poetry. a conversation is verbal, for one. i was sticking up for one of my best mates, and i would do alot more then call people fucking idiots and ignorant americans to help him or any of my mates out. im sure mnay of you would do the same.


Of course. We would actually try to persuade him not to do anything as fucking daft as burning down a church in the first place!


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the whole point of the acedemic field of literature is to look and 'interpret' texts. I do not agree with this, but I do not agree with the above quote either. people take away different things from other's words, whether it is emotive or not. If i watch the history channel (for example) i will take away some new knowledge because of the words of the people on screen. Also for those of you that watch South Park, Russell Crowe claims his fighting is poetry! (though i agree, burning a church is not poetry, though people took away differant things from those actions which speak louder than words. the parishiners had a sense of loss, novak is going to jail)


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Of course. We would actually try to persuade him not to do anything as fucking daft as burning down a church in the first place!


I believe the whole point of novak and his friends coming onto this forum and other forums is to argue that it was not daft. If i knew that novak was going to burn down a church, i would have tried to talk him out of it. however i cannot read his mind. I was at that party and at no time did he shout out "I'm going to burn down a church" like the papers claim. if he did shout that, why did no one call the cops then and there. he left the party cos it was crap.


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Of course. We would actually try to persuade him not to do anything as fucking daft as burning down a church in the first place!


I believe the whole point of novak and his friends coming onto this forum and other forums is to argue that it was not daft. If i knew that novak was going to burn down a church, i would have tried to talk him out of it. however i cannot read his mind. I was at that party and at no time did he shout out "I'm going to burn down a church" like the papers claim. if he did shout that, why did no one call the cops then and there. he left the party cos it was crap.


They probably thought he was another stupid drunk bastard trying to impress a girl. Parties can be really shit, I sympathise, why not start a new party with some like minded fans and a bagful of pot? It's really good fun! :D


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