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Hit Or Miss: The Black Album
Hit 53%  53%  [ 25 ]
Miss 47%  47%  [ 22 ]
Total votes : 47
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:24 am 
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Miss. Just like the Scorpions and Priest before them, they sold out for the new decade, and it resulted in their lamest material yet.


Yeah, but Priest actually managed to make good mainstream rock on Turbo.


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Hit, but it isn't a real metal album


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I know a lot of people aren't gonna agree with me, but I'd say it's a hit, as Metallica goes. I agree they sold out, but I think they did it well. I put it around the same level as Master of Puppets, which I don't think is that great; I guess I like about half of it, and at a much higher level than ...And Justice, which I pretty much just find totally boring.

So compared to Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning, it's a miss, but to their discography as a whole, a hit.


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Yes, I know you’re too cool to like anything by Metallica post this album. I mean the clean, preppy, non black-shirt wearing masses... The same ones that like U2 for Christ sakes.. The same ones listen to the "pop" station.. They like this album. It must be shit. It HAS to be, or the slim foundation holding this whole thing together must come crashing down...

Get over it.

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The influence of this album is just too huge to ignore. The sales numbers are mind-boggling.

It made kids want to make metal music and made Music Company execs think they could make money off of metal. We are still feeling the after-shocks of this bad boy releasing today.

This album is a hit.

If this question was: do you like The Black Album - I'd say no, not anymore. However - there is no way in hell I can deny this is/was a hit.


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Yes, I know you’re too cool to like anything by Metallica post this album. I mean the clean, preppy, non black-shirt wearing masses... The same ones that like U2 for Christ sakes.. The same ones listen to the "pop" station.. They like this album. It must be shit. It HAS to be, or the slim foundation holding this whole thing together must come crashing down...

Get over it.

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Me? I said I like their first three and the Black Album. I just don't like ...And Justice or the newer ones.


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drakanripper wrote:
Yes, I know you’re too cool to like anything by Metallica post this album. I mean the clean, preppy, non black-shirt wearing masses... The same ones that like U2 for Christ sakes.. The same ones listen to the "pop" station.. They like this album. It must be shit. It HAS to be, or the slim foundation holding this whole thing together must come crashing down...

Get over it.

:P

The influence of this album is just too huge to ignore. The sales numbers are mind-boggling.

It made kids want to make metal music and made Music Company execs think they could make money off of metal. We are still feeling the after-shocks of this bad boy releasing today.

This album is a hit.

If this question was: do you like The Black Album - I'd say no, not anymore. However - there is no way in hell I can deny this is/was a hit.

You obviously missed the point here entirely.


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drakanripper wrote:
Yes, I know you’re too cool to like anything by Metallica post this album. I mean the clean, preppy, non black-shirt wearing masses... The same ones that like U2 for Christ sakes.. The same ones listen to the "pop" station.. They like this album. It must be shit. It HAS to be, or the slim foundation holding this whole thing together must come crashing down...

Get over it.

:P

The influence of this album is just too huge to ignore. The sales numbers are mind-boggling.

It made kids want to make metal music and made Music Company execs think they could make money off of metal. We are still feeling the after-shocks of this bad boy releasing today.

This album is a hit.

If this question was: do you like The Black Album - I'd say no, not anymore. However - there is no way in hell I can deny this is/was a hit.

You obviously missed the point here entirely.


actually, i think he has it but that YOU missed the point entirely... this album is a hit bacause it's a mainstream metal album and because it lead many people to get into metal ! like it or not : HIT and HISTORIC album !!!


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Radical Cut wrote:
drakanripper wrote:
Yes, I know you’re too cool to like anything by Metallica post this album. I mean the clean, preppy, non black-shirt wearing masses... The same ones that like U2 for Christ sakes.. The same ones listen to the "pop" station.. They like this album. It must be shit. It HAS to be, or the slim foundation holding this whole thing together must come crashing down...

Get over it.

:P

The influence of this album is just too huge to ignore. The sales numbers are mind-boggling.

It made kids want to make metal music and made Music Company execs think they could make money off of metal. We are still feeling the after-shocks of this bad boy releasing today.

This album is a hit.

If this question was: do you like The Black Album - I'd say no, not anymore. However - there is no way in hell I can deny this is/was a hit.

You obviously missed the point here entirely.


actually, i think he has it but that YOU missed the point entirely... this album is a hit bacause it's a mainstream metal album and because it lead many people to get into metal ! like it or not : HIT and HISTORIC album !!!


No, Radical is correct because the other poster seems to have interpreted 'hit or miss' as 'successful or unsuccesful' rather than 'do you like or dislike' which is what these polls are about.


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T.I.E. wrote:
Radical Cut wrote:
drakanripper wrote:
Yes, I know you’re too cool to like anything by Metallica post this album. I mean the clean, preppy, non black-shirt wearing masses... The same ones that like U2 for Christ sakes.. The same ones listen to the "pop" station.. They like this album. It must be shit. It HAS to be, or the slim foundation holding this whole thing together must come crashing down...

Get over it.

:P

The influence of this album is just too huge to ignore. The sales numbers are mind-boggling.

It made kids want to make metal music and made Music Company execs think they could make money off of metal. We are still feeling the after-shocks of this bad boy releasing today.

This album is a hit.

If this question was: do you like The Black Album - I'd say no, not anymore. However - there is no way in hell I can deny this is/was a hit.

You obviously missed the point here entirely.


actually, i think he has it but that YOU missed the point entirely... this album is a hit bacause it's a mainstream metal album and because it lead many people to get into metal ! like it or not : HIT and HISTORIC album !!!

/quote]

Hit or miss shouldn't be based on whether the thing sold a lot or was popular. It should be based on whether its good or whether it sucks. This sucks, so no matter how many people claim this is the be all end all of metal or how many new metalheads it gets, it still sucks and is a miss. Bands like Korn and Slipknot help many kids get into real metal also; should we declare their albums to be hits of the highest order?


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Well... I'm not that surprised at the poll result. I still love it, though :P :oops: :twisted:


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Miss

To me it comes down to the simple fact that, although this album was not that bad, there are so many clues that this would lead to the likes of Load, Re-Load, etc. James started singing like a complete wad on this one, mixing in those "yeah-yeahs" and "oohs" that just sound so damn shitty. I wish he would just go back to the old days and just sing instead of trying to place inflection on every fucking vocal note like he does now.

Oh yeah, and I have heard Enter Sandman and Unforgiven so many times that I would just assume have my fingernails pulled out with pliers than hear either one of them ever again.


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Hit... it is a desapointment, but if it was an album from some other band, it would be fine.


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I say miss... Its so fucking boring.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:21 am 
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Hit !

Not Metallica's finest but sill pretty good


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HIT!

sorry but i love this album. not in the way i love Master or KeA, and i realize it sounds pretty commercial, but it has some damn good songs there, great production (say what you will, bob rock is a good producer - St. anger sounds like shit because they WANTED it that way), and nice lyrics. the vocals thoroughly kick ass too.

my favourites are Holier Than Thou, Through The Never and The Unforgiven, although Nothing Else Matters is in the end the only sopng i don't think kicks ass.

call me gay, crazy, poser, whatever, i really like this album.

EDIT - ok ok, Enter Sandman is a pretty crappy song. the fact that it's so fucking overplayed only makes it worse!

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Hit, I like it. Enter Sandman used to be a cool song, but I dont listen to it anymore. However, the rest of the CD ranges from awesome: Sad But True, Holier Than Thou, Wherever I May Roam, Through The Never, Of Wolf And Man, The Struggle Within. To Good: Don't Tread On Me, The Unforgiven. To ok at best: Nothing Else Matters, The God That Failed, My Friend of Misery. And thats enough Awesome and good songs for me to call it a Hit.


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Hit. I like the tone they got on it. But then, there's no accounting for taste.

It's worlds better than St. Anger, though. St. Anger is mainstream for the sake of being mainstream and moving units - it's obviously trying to pander to the Slipknot fans of the world. The Black Album, while obviously slicker and more commercial-friendly than their previous stuff, isn't quite at the sellout point. There's also no comparing lyrics like "Bright is the moon high in starlight/Chill is the air cold as steel tonight/We shift/Call of the wild/Fear in your eyes/It's later than you realized" with "Saint Anger 'round my neck/Saint Anger 'round my neck/He never gets respect/Saint Anger 'round my neck."


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Miss.

I liked it when first getting into metal, but upon heaaring better stuff, and listening to it now, it just ain't as good.


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Azrael wrote:
(say what you will, bob rock is a good producer - St. anger sounds like shit because they WANTED it that way)

I disagree. Bob Rock is really good at the glossy mainstream rock and metal production, but that's all. Whenever I've heard something he was involved with that he tried to get a harder, edgier, rawer sound with or whatever, the production has been sub-par. Additionally, he's a TERRIBLE idea-man (something Metallica loves to use him as) and not much of a musician.


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Radical Cut wrote:
Azrael wrote:
(say what you will, bob rock is a good producer - St. anger sounds like shit because they WANTED it that way)

I disagree. Bob Rock is really good at the glossy mainstream rock and metal production, but that's all. Whenever I've heard something he was involved with that he tried to get a harder, edgier, rawer sound with or whatever, the production has been sub-par. Additionally, he's a TERRIBLE idea-man (something Metallica loves to use him as) and not much of a musician.


Agreed. I seriously doubt anyone who has seen "Some Kind of Monster" can say Bob Rock is a good producer.


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