NSBM : What's your opinion ?

Stefan · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:39 pm

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:45 pm

T.I.E. wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

And vilifying and hating a whole group of people isn't? Thats one step "forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction"...
its simple mathematics:
NSBM is bad because of its message of hate + it's ok to hate Americans based on the actions of some = Hypocrisy.
V.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

T.I.E. wrote:

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

That's called Extreme Nationalism, silly.

Astaroth · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:53 pm

valefor wrote:

And vilifying and hating a whole group of people isn't? Thats one step "forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction"...
its simple mathematics:
NSBM is bad because of its message of hate + it's ok to hate Americans based on the actions of some = Hypocrisy.
V.

That's two different things.

Those NSBM bands that sends messages of hate are not based on actions, hate for USA is.
But I do know that it's not fair to hate all americans, and i don't think we all do when thinking about it. It's not your fault that the government act like arogant idiots, and it's not your fault that you have crappy talk-shows portraying morrons and lot's of fat idiots who only dreams about MacDonalds.

OldSchool · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:04 pm

I don't hate americans, I've been to USA and they didn't seem neither stupid, nor arogant to me. What I dislike about americans is that they're pretty cold, but there are others who are way worst, like the czechs for instance. The nicest people I ever met (so far) are definitely the dutchs. But this sort of generalisations, like the one I just did, are stupid anyway, because after all people are different to each other, within their own nationalities as well.

Astaroth · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:18 pm

I would like to point out that i'm not a christian, and i don't share the same values as them. I don't believe that hating people is wrong as long as you respect them. Universal love is just an illusion anyway... But hate for me could is many things in one, i guess.
I hate America in another way than i hate a young man who once though it would be funny to punch me in the face :lol:

Actually i have meet a few of those, but again, i would like to point out that it wasn't my fault. They all that one thing in common; Fat loosers looking for a way to gain respect.
But i haven't always hated America. Before i started on gymnasium (highschool) i had quite a different attitude towards the country, hell, i even defended you when my father was talking ill about you. But then i began to study and discovered a lot of crap primary school doesn't teach children.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:29 pm

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

So I'm saying that these people are racist, mentioning facts that everybody should know and it makes me a racist. You know what dude you're just a pussy. You are scared of any kind of nationalism , pointing your fingers as if every nationalist has to be a racist. This is in no way a racist statement. "We should erase the Jewish scum from the face of the earth". That's racist. But it's not my intention.

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:32 pm

Astaroth wrote:

valefor wrote:

And vilifying and hating a whole group of people isn't? Thats one step "forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction"...
its simple mathematics:
NSBM is bad because of its message of hate + it's ok to hate Americans based on the actions of some = Hypocrisy.
V.

That's two different things.

Those NSBM bands that sends messages of hate are not based on actions, hate for USA is.
But I do know that it's not fair to hate all americans, and i don't think we all do when thinking about it. It's not your fault that the government act like arogant idiots, and it's not your fault that you have crappy talk-shows portraying morrons and lot's of fat idiots who only dreams about MacDonalds.

Bullshit.
NS ideology is based on the EXACT same princilples that you and others accuse the U.S. of.
Just change the word "American" for "Jew".
V.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:34 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

So I'm saying that these people are racist, mentioning facts that everybody should know and it makes me a racist. You know what dude you're just a pussy. You are scared of any kind of nationalism , pointing your fingers as if every nationalist has to be a racist. This is in no way a racist statement. "We should erase the Jewish scum from the face of the earth". That's racist. But it's not my intention.

Not all Jews are Israeli, how many more times? I think your admitted hatred of Kurds is worse than that statement above, as long as the world media continues to condemn Israel for doing what any other country would do in their situation there's no hope of fairness.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

Kathaarian wrote:

So I'm saying that these people are racist, mentioning facts that everybody should know and it makes me a racist. You know what dude you're just a pussy. You are scared of any kind of nationalism , pointing your fingers as if every nationalist has to be a racist. This is in no way a racist statement. "We should erase the Jewish scum from the face of the earth". That's racist. But it's not my intention.

I fucking REPEAT: being a nationalist does NOT make you a racist. If I must, I will say it again, because you don't seem to get it.

Saying, essentially, that the Jews deserved what happened to them in the Holocaust IS racist. That's a fact, right there.

How can anyone dispute that simple fact?

Oh yes, one note I forgot to add: merely because you THINK something is true, doesn't make it not racist. Even if it IS true, which it isn't in this case, the way you SAY it MAKES it racist, you ignorant ass-fuck.

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:37 pm

Astaroth wrote:

I would like to point out that i'm not a christian, and i don't share the same values as them. I don't believe that hating people is wrong as long as you respect them. Universal love is just an illusion anyway... But hate for me could is many things in one, i guess.
I hate America in another way than i hate a young man who once though it would be funny to punch me in the face :lol:

Actually i have meet a few of those, but again, i would like to point out that it wasn't my fault. They all that one thing in common; Fat loosers looking for a way to gain respect.
But i haven't always hated America. Before i started on gymnasium (highschool) i had quite a different attitude towards the country, hell, i even defended you when my father was talking ill about you. But then i began to study and discovered a lot of crap primary school doesn't teach children.

Have you ever been here? If not, than you speak purely out of ignorance, so until you gain real life experience, it would serve you well to keep such ignorant comments to yourself, unless of course you like coming across as ignorant.
V.

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:39 pm

the666th wrote:

I don't hate americans, I've been to USA and they didn't seem neither stupid, nor arogant to me. What I dislike about americans is that they're pretty cold, but there are others who are way worst, like the czechs for instance. The nicest people I ever met (so far) are definitely the dutchs. But this sort of generalisations, like the one I just did, are stupid anyway, because after all people are different to each other, within their own nationalities as well.

My view is that people are people... some are cooll, some are assholes, no matter where you go.
V.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:44 pm

T.I.E. wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

I have to mention that Kosovo people are also Turkish. You have touched a very deep wound in my heart. They are not nationalist, they're cold blooded murderers and the real racists. So I feel that I have to hate Serbians, not for the people they are but for the fact that they killed 2 of my relatives there. I do hate Serbians and I intend to get them back for what they did to my people. In this situation where innocent people are being murdered what's the use of having peaceful thoughts? They have to be punished for what they did.

Astaroth · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:45 pm

valefor wrote:

Astaroth wrote:

I would like to point out that i'm not a christian, and i don't share the same values as them. I don't believe that hating people is wrong as long as you respect them. Universal love is just an illusion anyway... But hate for me could is many things in one, i guess.
I hate America in another way than i hate a young man who once though it would be funny to punch me in the face :lol:

Actually i have meet a few of those, but again, i would like to point out that it wasn't my fault. They all that one thing in common; Fat loosers looking for a way to gain respect.
But i haven't always hated America. Before i started on gymnasium (highschool) i had quite a different attitude towards the country, hell, i even defended you when my father was talking ill about you. But then i began to study and discovered a lot of crap primary school doesn't teach children.

Have you ever been here? If not, than you speak purely out of ignorance, so until you gain real life experience, it would serve you well to keep such ignorant comments to yourself, unless of course you like coming across as ignorant.
V.

It's funny how you keep talking my comments personal. I may not live in america, but that gives me the opportunity to see things from another perspective that you can't. I you live within the forest you can't see anything but trees, but living outside make it possible to give a wider perspective. You still think i'm an idiot for hating you government?!?!

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:51 pm

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

So I'm saying that these people are racist, mentioning facts that everybody should know and it makes me a racist. You know what dude you're just a pussy. You are scared of any kind of nationalism , pointing your fingers as if every nationalist has to be a racist. This is in no way a racist statement. "We should erase the Jewish scum from the face of the earth". That's racist. But it's not my intention.

I fucking REPEAT: being a nationalist does NOT make you a racist. If I must, I will say it again, because you don't seem to get it.

Saying, essentially, that the Jews deserved what happened to them in the Holocaust IS racist. That's a fact, right there.

How can anyone dispute that simple fact?

Oh yes, one note I forgot to add: merely because you THINK something is true, doesn't make it not racist. Even if it IS true, which it isn't in this case, the way you SAY it MAKES it racist, you ignorant ass-fuck.

No you ignorant hippie I never said that they deserved what they get. What I said was true, it's just because you have your head so far up your ass, just to escape from reality, you don't seem to get it.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:52 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

T.I.E. wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

I have to mention that Kosovo people are also Turkish. You have touched a very deep wound in my heart. They are not nationalist, they're cold blooded murderers and the real racists. So I feel that I have to hate Serbians, not for the people they are but for the fact that they killed 2 of my relatives there. I do hate Serbians and I intend to get them back for what they did to my people. In this situation where innocent people are being murdered what's the use of having peaceful thoughts? They have to be punished for what they did.

Not all Serbians are killers. I know it's a rather obvious point, but what if Jews went around massacring the Germans, or the French started killing the English? You can't hate an entire people for what some of them did. Do the English hate all Muslims everywhere becasue a few misguided individuals blew themselves up? No.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:00 pm

zadsterboombox wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

T.I.E. wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

I have to mention that Kosovo people are also Turkish. You have touched a very deep wound in my heart. They are not nationalist, they're cold blooded murderers and the real racists. So I feel that I have to hate Serbians, not for the people they are but for the fact that they killed 2 of my relatives there. I do hate Serbians and I intend to get them back for what they did to my people. In this situation where innocent people are being murdered what's the use of having peaceful thoughts? They have to be punished for what they did.

Not all Serbians are killers. I know it's a rather obvious point, but what if Jews went around massacring the Germans, or the French started killing the English? You can't hate an entire people for what some of them did. Do the English hate all Muslims everywhere becasue a few misguided individuals blew themselves up? No.

True Muslims hate non-Muslims, so why not. The Corran is a very violent book, and, unfortunately, the pacifist Muslims are only fooling themselves. There are passages in the book that call Muslims to arms against the so-called "infidels". Hence, we have the shit that's going on in the world right now. I don't condemn Muslims as a whole, but I won't think twice about hating the ones who buy into this shit and commit terrorists acts. Turning the other cheek is weak bullshit.

valefor · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:03 pm

Astaroth wrote:

valefor wrote:

Astaroth wrote:

I would like to point out that i'm not a christian, and i don't share the same values as them. I don't believe that hating people is wrong as long as you respect them. Universal love is just an illusion anyway... But hate for me could is many things in one, i guess.
I hate America in another way than i hate a young man who once though it would be funny to punch me in the face :lol:

Actually i have meet a few of those, but again, i would like to point out that it wasn't my fault. They all that one thing in common; Fat loosers looking for a way to gain respect.
But i haven't always hated America. Before i started on gymnasium (highschool) i had quite a different attitude towards the country, hell, i even defended you when my father was talking ill about you. But then i began to study and discovered a lot of crap primary school doesn't teach children.

Have you ever been here? If not, than you speak purely out of ignorance, so until you gain real life experience, it would serve you well to keep such ignorant comments to yourself, unless of course you like coming across as ignorant.
V.

It's funny how you keep talking my comments personal. I may not live in america, but that gives me the opportunity to see things from another perspective that you can't. I you live within the forest you can't see anything but trees, but living outside make it possible to give a wider perspective. You still think i'm an idiot for hating you government?!?!

No, I hate my gov. too... BUT, you and the others did NOT say you hate the U.S. gov., you said you hate America and Americans, big difference.
And if I were to say I hate Denmark or the Dutch (I don't, why would I?) without ever having been there that would be, sorry, a very dumb thing to say.
And the Dutch have an unsavory history as well, they have done their share of subjugation of brown-skinned people, so, once again get off of the high-horse that teeters on the edge of collapse.
And youre fucking right I take it personally, after all I am an American, thus so hated around the world.
V.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

Kathaarian wrote:

No you ignorant hippie I never said that they deserved what they get. What I said was true, it's just because you have your head so far up your ass, just to escape from reality, you don't seem to get it.

Um, you said, as I repeat: 'So they were killed by their own poison.'

If what you meant wasn't 'they deserved what they got,' then congratulations asshole, you managed to convey that message anyway.

And, as I said in the post that you JUST FUCKING QUOTED: merely because you THINK something is true, doesn't make it not racist. Even if it IS true, which it isn't in this case, the way you SAY it MAKES it racist, you ignorant ass-fuck.

I'm glad you stopped talking about how much I think nationalists are racists, but it took THREE POSTS of me telling you about how nationalists aren't racists for you to do so. From this I can only conclude that you are an idiot.

Fucking racist.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:07 pm

skullthrone of satan wrote:

zadsterboombox wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

T.I.E. wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Hmmmm... Am I a Nazi? Nazis place their own people above all others and think that all the others deserve a bullet in the head. Do I ? No, definitely not. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a nazi.

But my expressions of national pride has been described as nazism by a lot of people in these forums. So I say " Fuck you, if loving your own people who you share the same destiny is being a nazi then I'm the biggest nazi in the world."

I'm a nationalist, a patriot who wouldn't think for a second before entering a war or killing someone else or myself if it would help my country in some way. It's what I owe to my fathers, my ancestors. It's the least I can do for the people who have shed their blood on the soil that I live on just because their sons, me , can live on it.

Why did I vote for " I love it , the message too" ? I love it because they make kick-ass music. And as I stated before I agree with some of the points mentioned in this musical genre (not all, in fact I disagree with some of it) . I think the people who make this music are just nationalists just like me. So I feel related to them. I see their point.

If all this makes me a Nazi thenkill me now because I intend to be one all my life. But if not, don't call me a Nazi because I don't intend on doing a frag-fest in any of your neighbourhoods. Even if I dislike some people in general (ex: Kurds and Hippies).

I repeat: having pride in your country and loving the people within it does not make you a Nazi, it makes you a nationalist, and there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist.

Saying shit like: Jewish people are the most racist people known to man. So they were killed by their own poison. I don't care about the holocaust. Sure it's terrible , boo-hoo get over it, it's fucking war , it happens , it happened before and it will happen later. They're killing Palestinians every day. They're the sole reason that the middle east is in unrest. They control the business world and push their agenda is what makes you a racist.

there's nothing wrong with Nationalism ? :? ask the muslims of Kosovo if serbian nationalism was that harmless :?

there's not problem with being proud of your country and loving your countrymates but nationalism is the the step forward on the wrong path... the one of mass murders & destruction :(

I have to mention that Kosovo people are also Turkish. You have touched a very deep wound in my heart. They are not nationalist, they're cold blooded murderers and the real racists. So I feel that I have to hate Serbians, not for the people they are but for the fact that they killed 2 of my relatives there. I do hate Serbians and I intend to get them back for what they did to my people. In this situation where innocent people are being murdered what's the use of having peaceful thoughts? They have to be punished for what they did.

Not all Serbians are killers. I know it's a rather obvious point, but what if Jews went around massacring the Germans, or the French started killing the English? You can't hate an entire people for what some of them did. Do the English hate all Muslims everywhere because a few misguided individuals blew themselves up? No.

True Muslims hate non-Muslims, so why not. The Corran is a very violent book, and, unfortunately, the pacifist Muslims are only fooling themselves. There are passages in the book that call Muslims to arms against the so-called "infidels". Hence, we have the shit that's going on in the world right now. I don't condemn Muslims as a whole, but I won't think twice about hating the ones who buy into this shit and commit terrorists acts. Turning the other cheek is weak bullshit.

I'm not sure I hate them so much as pity them. And that's not turning the other cheek.

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