Atrocity in Connecticut

noodles · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:27 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ezlFNTGWv4

Interesting points.

North From Here · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:31 am

noodles wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PezlFNTGWv4

Interesting points.

Thank you, noodles. Very interesting indeed. I do think there is a media issue here.

noodles · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:33 am

Seems to me like media coverage, gun control laws, and mental health management should be revamped to prevent stuff like this.

Rob_ · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:37 am

North From Here wrote:

noodles wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PezlFNTGWv4

Interesting points.

Thank you, noodles. Very interesting indeed. I do think there is a media issue here.

Absolutely,I've already heard he was dressed all in black,as if it really maters how the fucker was dressed.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:51 am

Gun control is a tricky subject. I am in favor of a rigid screening process in order to assure that people with mental illnesses cannot purchase a firearm, but that doesn't mean they won'tb e able to get their hands on one. As was noted earlier in the thread, the gun was apparently registered to his mother.

The thing about firearms is: they are here to stay; you take them away from law abiding responsible citizens, then only criminals will have them, and it does nothing to ensure that those with mental illnesses do not get a hold of them, to boot.
Everyone I know, even the few liberal friends I have, have at least one, and to a man they treat them with the utmost respect.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:53 am

North From Here wrote:

JAPANESEPENIS wrote:

gun control debates by americAn leftist trogs, meanwhile desperate man in china stabs 22 people. We must all ban steaknives for the good of the nation, they Re detrimental to the safety of our people And must be regulated. This crime iZ a surr3al atrocity, but for every unthinkable event that guns are used by a crazed maniac that is reported, two stories of guns being used for protection go unreported!!

With all due respect, fuck off. Why does every tragedy instantly have to become a gun control debate?

I think there may be a societal issue at stake, either way, the "why" is too complicated to immediately turn into a shouting match for both sides on guns.

Too bad, I didn't try to politicize the issue. Eat shit.

North From Here · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:56 am

traptunderice wrote:

North From Here wrote:

JAPANESEPENIS wrote:

gun control debates by americAn leftist trogs, meanwhile desperate man in china stabs 22 people. We must all ban steaknives for the good of the nation, they Re detrimental to the safety of our people And must be regulated. This crime iZ a surr3al atrocity, but for every unthinkable event that guns are used by a crazed maniac that is reported, two stories of guns being used for protection go unreported!!

With all due respect, fuck off. Why does every tragedy instantly have to become a gun control debate?

I think there may be a societal issue at stake, either way, the "why" is too complicated to immediately turn into a shouting match for both sides on guns.

Too bad, I didn't try to politicize the issue. Eat shit.

You talking to me? I was referring Fridge's one extremely flippant remark, which he then thankfully backed off from. Still gave Steve license to move to labeling.

JAPANESEPENIS · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:20 pm **Posts:** 24

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Rob_ · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:11 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

Gun control is a tricky subject. I am in favor of a rigid screening process in order to assure that people with mental illnesses cannot purchase a firearm, but that doesn't mean they won'tb e able to get their hands on one. As was noted earlier in the thread, the gun was apparently registered to his mother.

The thing about firearms is: they are here to stay; you take them away from law abiding responsible citizens, then only criminals will have them, and it does nothing to ensure that those with mental illnesses do not get a hold of them, to boot.
Everyone I know, even the few liberal friends I have, have at least one, and to a man they treat them with the utmost respect.

I don't think the non americans on here that talk about gun control realize the amount of guns in the US,with and without any paper trail.I work with folks that buy and trade guns all the time,no documentation at all.

I own a handgun and a couple shotguns,so I'm all for gun ownership.

At the same time I have never felt the need to own a assualt rifile and would not be against a assualt rifle ban.

noodles · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:18 am

I just watched Obama's speech about this and I feel like he did a great job of saying everything that needs to be said for now.

As for gun control I agree that it is a tricky issue, and that it is impossible to guarantee that criminals and crazies won't get guns, but they would at least make it harder for them to get guns. I also suspect I am against banning all guns (don't know enough about the issue), but I definitely am against people owning rapid fire weapons/assault rifles.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:06 am

http://news.yahoo.com/deadliest-mass-sh ... 34671.html

JAPANESEPENIS · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:20 pm **Posts:** 24

Groidbama could give two shits about those lost babies, those crocodile tears are coming from a guy that reduces entire towns in Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iraq to brambles and dust go kill a supposed high ranking "insurgent". Hes killed more children than any Cho or Eric Harris and Klebold

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:18 am

JAPANESEPENIS wrote:

Groidbama could give two shits about those lost babies, those crocodile tears are coming from a guy that reduces entire towns in Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iraq to brambles and dust go kill a supposed high ranking "insurgent". Hes killed more children than any Cho or Eric Harris and Klebold

Obama is indeed a very good actor.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:18 am

Rob_ wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Gun control is a tricky subject. I am in favor of a rigid screening process in order to assure that people with mental illnesses cannot purchase a firearm, but that doesn't mean they won'tb e able to get their hands on one. As was noted earlier in the thread, the gun was apparently registered to his mother.

The thing about firearms is: they are here to stay; you take them away from law abiding responsible citizens, then only criminals will have them, and it does nothing to ensure that those with mental illnesses do not get a hold of them, to boot.
Everyone I know, even the few liberal friends I have, have at least one, and to a man they treat them with the utmost respect.

I don't think the non americans on here that talk about gun control realize the amount of guns in the US,with and without any paper trail.People I work with folks that buy and trade guns all the time,no documentation at all.

I own a handgun and a couple shotguns,so I'm all for gun ownership.

At the same time I have never felt the need to own a assualt rifile and would not be against a assualt rifle ban.

Yeah, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, so to speak.
The guns are out there and they aren't just going to disappear.
I'm undecided on the assault rifle issue, though; can see both sides.

The Necrodude · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:18 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

Rob_ wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Gun control is a tricky subject. I am in favor of a rigid screening process in order to assure that people with mental illnesses cannot purchase a firearm, but that doesn't mean they won'tb e able to get their hands on one. As was noted earlier in the thread, the gun was apparently registered to his mother.

The thing about firearms is: they are here to stay; you take them away from law abiding responsible citizens, then only criminals will have them, and it does nothing to ensure that those with mental illnesses do not get a hold of them, to boot.
Everyone I know, even the few liberal friends I have, have at least one, and to a man they treat them with the utmost respect.

I don't think the non americans on here that talk about gun control realize the amount of guns in the US,with and without any paper trail.People I work with folks that buy and trade guns all the time,no documentation at all.

I own a handgun and a couple shotguns,so I'm all for gun ownership.

At the same time I have never felt the need to own a assualt rifile and would not be against a assualt rifle ban.

Yeah, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, so to speak.
The guns are out there and they aren't just going to disappear.
I'm undecided on the assault rifle issue, though; can see both sides.

Less guns, less death...in Japan the highest gun related homicide number was around 22 or so in a year, in the US it's in the 10.000+ area and Japan has a super strict gun law. Your gun laws needs reform badly....in my opinion.

satan 59 · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:04 pm **Posts:** 34

The Necrodude wrote:

Your gun laws needs reform badly....in my opinion.

Have to agree, your laws are so lax but can't see it happening as it's in the constitution. :-(

Azrael · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:34 am

was just about to post the link noodles used. the psychiatrist's bit from 1:40 onwards shines some light on how the media can contribute to these things.

as for gun control, if they are banned then law abiding citizens lose access to them while criminals get to keep theirs, i read here. but a law abiding citizen with a gun is just a meltdown away from becoming a mass murderer. gun control laws don't solve the underlying social/psychological issues behind these atrocities but they can go a long way in at least taking care of the symptoms - the actual killing.

and while these guns were registered to the guy's mother, it's another important element that could be considered in gun regulations - don't just look at the person looking to buy guns, but also at the people in their families/households. sure it's a potential bureaucratic mess but i'd rather have one of those than one of these.

RelentlessOblivion · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:11 pm

this society is sick, very, very sick, escalating acts of violence around the world, these shootings just made me feel so sick, the person who did this would be refused entry to hell he is that evil, I can't even begin to understand what the families of those poor children must be feeling right now

starting to hope this really is the end of the world, let a new life form assume the dominant position on earth we humans are too twisted and corrupt

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:01 pm

at talking about gun control... did anybody read what Rob said?

What, does anybody think that gun owners are just going to voluntarily give up their firearms? That will never happen.
And legally, it cannot, according to our constitution.

The issue here is mental illness and how it is handled, specifically.

And the breaking down of civilized society, which I believe is an element as well, generally.

Did anybody read this?

http://news.yahoo.com/deadliest-mass-sh ... 34671.html

It has happened in Finland, Germany, Scotland, Australia, England... all places with strict gun laws.
True not as often, but it has happened.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

Quote:

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.
The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

Quote:

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:14 pm

As an American, I do appreciate the input and concern from you guys abroad; I know that your heart in the right place, but I'm afraid it's just not so simple as a ban on guns.

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