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NSBM : What's your opinion ?
I love it ! the message too ! 18%  18%  [ 9 ]
It's okay if you don't put too much attention into the lyrics 22%  22%  [ 11 ]
Sometimes it's good but the message sucks 29%  29%  [ 14 ]
Errrrrr... no nazi shit for me, thx ! but then, let 'em speak... 14%  14%  [ 7 ]
Kill those nazis now ! 16%  16%  [ 8 ]
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valefor wrote:
I am not for multi-culturalism, no: that is (to me) a lot of politically correct B.S.... not all cultures are equal. It sounds like a nice-touchy-feely recipe for mediocrity to me.


Everything is subjective, so it's just as easy to say all cultures are equal as it is to say that all cultures are not equal. The first way causes less death and racism however.

That's why the only cultures that I am against are the ones that encourage hate (such as Nazism).


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Americans are hated all over the world, eh?
I am sick of this fucking euro snobbery... that goes for Canada, too.
Pule whine, blahblahblah...
Thats gratitude for ya, how much American blood was shed on your soil beating back the big bad Hun, whom France, indeed, Europe, couldn't seem to handle?
Or picking up where France turned tail and ran in Vietnam?
Both of my grandfathers fought in Europe, and both of my uncles in 'Nam... they, along with many others, risked their lives fighting wars that you (Europe) started, but couldn't finish (France, specifically, Vietnam).
Not only risked there lives, but left their families and friends... and do you think they came back in the same mental state they left in?
Europe would not be what it is today if not for U.S. intervention during WWII. Regardless of the fact that in the past two decades or so America has lost its way, Europe seems to forget this simple fact: we saved your ass from the Germans and the Soviets, so fuck all of those ingrates that "hate Americans".
As if European history is bloodless... and of course Europeans have never sought empire... please, you are no better than we are, so drop the high and mighty pretense that you somehow are.
Seriously, I am sick and tired of all the America bashing that goes on here, your pop-culture is as shitty (or shittier) as ours, and your Gov. is also corrupt (though I will admit that the U.S. gov. has you beat there) so can your pseudo-superiority bullshit.
You don't live here, so you don;t know shit about my country; do I or any of the other Americans on these forum constantly pound Europe and Canada? No, we do not.
You know why the French are hated all over the world, besides their pretentiousness and snobbery? They seem to have yet to learn of the concept of SHOWERING more than once a week.
And one more thing, didn't you leave the forums due to CENSORSHIP issues, a.k.a. lack of freedom of speech?
But, I thought freedom of speech is overrated...
V.


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valefor wrote:
Americans are hated all over the world, eh?
I am sick of this fucking euro snobbery... that goes for Canada, too.


ho yes they are... and if you want to know why, just look at how american administrations have "helped" central and southern america to get rid off their communists and socialists only to replace them with right-winged bloody dictators such as Pinochet in Chile...

valefor wrote:
Thats gratitude for ya, how much American blood was shed on your soil beating back the big bad Hun, whom France, indeed, Europe, couldn't seem to handle?
Or picking up where France turned tail and ran in Vietnam?
Both of my grandfathers fought in Europe, and both of my uncles in 'Nam... they, along with many others, risked their lives fighting wars that you (Europe) started, but couldn't finish (France, specifically, Vietnam).
Not only risked there lives, but left their families and friends... and do you think they came back in the same mental state they left in?
Europe would not be what it is today if not for U.S. intervention during WWII. Regardless of the fact that in the past two decades or so America has lost its way, Europe seems to forget this simple fact: we saved your ass from the Germans and the Soviets, so fuck all of those ingrates that "hate Americans".


thanks to your grandfathers who helped free Europe... that is something we Europeans always thank American, Brits, Australians etc... for :D and, yes, there were not only americans but it's only to americans we paid the bill to... now, more than 50 years have passed and we think it's time US domination on our planet stops

as for Nam, french authorities indeed ran out because we were defeated but then your army suffered the exact same consequences.... and it's happening again in Iraq...


valefor wrote:
As if European history is bloodless... and of course Europeans have never sought empire... please, you are no better than we are, so drop the high and mighty pretense that you somehow are.
Seriously, I am sick and tired of all the America bashing that goes on here, your pop-culture is as shitty (or shittier) as ours, and your Gov. is also corrupt (though I will admit that the U.S. gov. has you beat there) so can your pseudo-superiority bullshit.
You don't live here, so you don;t know shit about my country; do I or any of the other Americans on these forum constantly pound Europe and Canada? No, we do not.
You know why the French are hated all over the world, besides their pretentiousness and snobbery? They seem to have yet to learn of the concept of SHOWERING more than once a week.
And one more thing, didn't you leave the forums due to CENSORSHIP issues, a.k.a. lack of freedom of speech?
But, I thought freedom of speech is overrated...
V.


just to comment on freedom of speech... if you have to choose between speaking your mind whenever you like it and securing your family as for food & medications what would you do ? check out again what Jaden said about Haiti/Cuba you'll see that sometimes freedom of speech is, indeed, overrated...

ok, now, I know you'll probably disagree but since I'vesaid it all I won't comment any further on the matter... :roll:


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valefor wrote:
Americans are hated all over the world, eh?
I am sick of this fucking euro snobbery... that goes for Canada, too.


ho yes they are... and if you want to know why, just look at how american administrations have "helped" central and southern america to get rid off their communists and socialists only to replace them with right-winged bloody dictators such as Pinochet in Chile...

valefor wrote:
Thats gratitude for ya, how much American blood was shed on your soil beating back the big bad Hun, whom France, indeed, Europe, couldn't seem to handle?
Or picking up where France turned tail and ran in Vietnam?
Both of my grandfathers fought in Europe, and both of my uncles in 'Nam... they, along with many others, risked their lives fighting wars that you (Europe) started, but couldn't finish (France, specifically, Vietnam).
Not only risked there lives, but left their families and friends... and do you think they came back in the same mental state they left in?
Europe would not be what it is today if not for U.S. intervention during WWII. Regardless of the fact that in the past two decades or so America has lost its way, Europe seems to forget this simple fact: we saved your ass from the Germans and the Soviets, so fuck all of those ingrates that "hate Americans".


thanks to your grandfathers who helped free Europe... that is something we Europeans always thank American, Brits, Australians etc... for :D and, yes, there were not only americans but it's only to americans we paid the bill to... now, more than 50 years have passed and we think it's time US domination on our planet stops

as for Nam, french authorities indeed ran out because we were defeated but then your army suffered the exact same consequences.... and it's happening again in Iraq...


valefor wrote:
As if European history is bloodless... and of course Europeans have never sought empire... please, you are no better than we are, so drop the high and mighty pretense that you somehow are.
Seriously, I am sick and tired of all the America bashing that goes on here, your pop-culture is as shitty (or shittier) as ours, and your Gov. is also corrupt (though I will admit that the U.S. gov. has you beat there) so can your pseudo-superiority bullshit.
You don't live here, so you don;t know shit about my country; do I or any of the other Americans on these forum constantly pound Europe and Canada? No, we do not.
You know why the French are hated all over the world, besides their pretentiousness and snobbery? They seem to have yet to learn of the concept of SHOWERING more than once a week.
And one more thing, didn't you leave the forums due to CENSORSHIP issues, a.k.a. lack of freedom of speech?
But, I thought freedom of speech is overrated...
V.


just to comment on freedom of speech... if you have to choose between speaking your mind whenever you like it and securing your family as for food & medications what would you do ? check out again what Jaden said about Haiti/Cuba you'll see that sometimes freedom of speech is, indeed, overrated...

ok, now, I know you'll probably disagree but since I'vesaid it all I won't comment any further on the matter... :roll:


What is so difficult about distinguishing between the people and the government?
If Americans are hated by everyone else because of their governments actions, than those that blindly hate us are fucking idiots; how ironic that this thread which began as a criticism of NSBM has come to this, namely: the PREJUDICE that results in Americans being hated because the gov. of our country does bad things.
Hitler did bad things, so why aren't Germans hated? Or Russians? Or Ugandans? Or Haitians? Or Cambodians? Or Iraqis? etc.. all nations have bad governments, some are outright evil...
and if those governments had the power that America had, their "foreign policy" henceforth would make what our gov. did in C. America, etc. look like a picnic, and you fucking know it.
and again out of all of world history, Europe has more than its share of imperial blood on its hands; only since WWII (which WE won for you, and rebuilt your country, BTW, hear of the Marshall Plan?) has Europe gotten their shit together, now all of a sudden they are some kind of moral authority? Bullshit!
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you vote to elect your government therefore you must support the consequences of your vote... that is how democracy works...


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you vote to elect your government therefore you must support the consequences of your vote... that is how democracy works...


How do you know who votes and who doesn't? And for whom?
And even if they do, it is usually based on something other than a candidates position on Imperialism... come on, be real.
and besides, what other alternative do we have?
We did not create the government, we cannot overthrow the government, we have to deal with the government that we have.
I have a big newsflash for all of you: most of us are hardworking honest people that are only trying to make a good life for our families, just like you.
You might as well assert that since the people of Iraq, for only one of many, many examples, did not overthrow Saddam Hussein (elected, BTW) they are responsible for
their governments actions.
Thats just an excuse to justify the vile behavior of a bunch of morons that think it is fashionable to trash my country and her people.
Like I said you do not live here, work ten-twelve hours a day, sometimes six days a week to make ends meet, so fuck off with your misguided arrogant rhetoric!
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I've stated before that I support socialism, but not communism. Communism does not work because 99 out of 100 times the leaders get power hungry. I simple believe that communism is better than American-like capitalism in very poor countries. Less people would suffer.


Make that 100 of 100. But that's human nature. To get power hungry. All leaders are power hungry, everywhere. The difference is in the system. In democracy, they need to go after a while. In communism, they can stay forever. So, they do.

Less people suffer? It's not true. People always suffer from lack of human rights and liberties, and that's what they get in Cuba or other similar regimes. To say they don't suffer because of this is regarding them like animals.

As for the economic aspect, in long term more people will suffer. Actually, as the country gets poorer and poorer, all people get to suffer, except for party leaders. Communism is a highly inefficient management system, and it's no accident that communist countries were always poorer and less developed than the democratic ones. According to a reputed french economist (whose name eludes me right now), a country emerges from communism some 50 years behind the economic/development status it had when it had entered, and based on my country's experience I can tell you that man knew what he was saying. Pure communism leads to poverty and stagnation (or rather, regression), by its very nature.

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There's no freedom in any country in the world because freedom simply does not work. The best leadership for a country is one that takes care of all of its people as best as it can without hurting other countries. That whole freedom crap is American propaganda bullshit (and I feel I should mention that North America has the highest depression rate in the world).


What you just said about freedom is very shocking to me. I just guess an old truth is just as valid in this case: people really need to be deprived of something in order for them to finally be able to apreciate it, supposing they ever get it back. The fact that many people in Western Europe or North America don't realise what freedom they enjoy, or don't appreciate it, it's a clear indication of that truth to me.

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If capitalism was introduced in Cuba, many more people would starve and die. Communism isn't the best, but for Cuba, it's better than capitalism. Fidel has a much better track record than most communist leaders.


This is so untrue. If capitalism were introduced to Cuba, it would have the same effects it had on ex-communists countries from Europe. It would be a very difficult period, indeed, but after that things would begin to be much better. It's called transition, and if it's done right, it leads to very good things, even if it's lengthy. Examples? Take a look at Poland or Hungary. Or even Bulgary or Romania, for that matter.

To say Fidel has a better record than other communist dictators is like sniffing several turds trying to determine which one stinks less. Regardless of their odour capacity, in the end the truth is the same: they're all turds.

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And keep this in mind, America may not be responsible for killing many of its own people... in the last centaury anyway, but they kill a hell of a lot more people from other countries than any other nation in the world.

Sure, Saddam was an ass, but here's a lovely statistic: An Iraqi civilian is 58 times more likely to die a violent death today than she or he was before the U.S. invasion.


Whatever mistakes US (or any other democratic countries, for that matter) do, it still doesn't mean that communism and dictatorships are better, just by contrast. An objective comparison, in whatever aspect, will always show a convincing advantage for the democratic countries.


Cuba would not prosper with capitalism, it would become like fucking Haiti. If the rest of the world were to live by North American standards, the resources of three Earths would be required, so unless the richer countries out there want to give up some of their wealth, some countries are going to need socialism.

Haiti is a perfect example of what capitalism does to a poor country. Less than 2% of the Haiti population controls almost all of the wealth. 90% of the people in Haiti live in shacks with no electricity or running water.

My friend has been there, and he's told me about the countless homeless and diseased children fending for themselves on the street--or the fields of mounds (unmarked graveyards).

So if I had to choose between freedom of speech or food and shelter, you bet your fucking ass I'd choose the latter.


Well, I don't know much about Haiti. What I do know, from what I read on the net, is that they were never communists, and that they had a long history of bloody dictatorships and political unrest, which is probably the main cause for their bad situation.

But why do you think communism guarantees food and shelter? Do you know anything about Albany, for example? Under communism, they became so poor that there were regions where people began to eat newspapers soaked in water. Sounds unbelievable, but it's true. They didn't have trains and railroads. They didn't have public transportation of any kind inside their cities, not even in Tirana. They didn't have cars (except for party leaders). They didn't have anything at all. How's that for communism induced poverty?

All the Eastern Europe ex-communist countries are, economicaly, way behind Western Europe, because of the years of communism. And they were not behind in '45, when they fell under soviet influence. Now, after transition to capitalism, they are catching up. It's a slow process, but it's happening. With the help of the European Union. Why are you so convinced that Cuba wouldn't be able to sustain such a process, especially if they were to be aided by US or someone else?

You insist on food and shelter versus human rights, but, in the long run, communism leads also to poverty, because it's inefficient. The lack of private property and private enterprises and the lack of free market economy, which are characteristics of communist economies, lead to economic decline. Economicaly, communism failed everywhere in this world, except maybe China, and there it was succesfull only after they decided to implement economic liberalization policies, back in the late 70's.


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valefor wrote:
T.I.E. wrote:
you vote to elect your government therefore you must support the consequences of your vote... that is how democracy works...


How do you know who votes and who doesn't? And for whom?
And even if they do, it is usually based on something other than a candidates position on Imperialism... come on, be real.
and besides, what other alternative do we have?
We did not create the government, we cannot overthrow the government, we have to deal with the government that we have.
I have a big newsflash for all of you: most of us are hardworking honest people that are only trying to make a good life for our families, just like you.
You might as well assert that since the people of Iraq, for only one of many, many examples, did not overthrow Saddam Hussein (elected, BTW) they are responsible for
their governments actions.
Thats just an excuse to justify the vile behavior of a bunch of morons that think it is fashionable to trash my country and her people.
Like I said you do not live here, work ten-twelve hours a day, sometimes six days a week to make ends meet, so fuck off with your misguided arrogant rhetoric!
V.


whatever you say I know you were raised to think that way... nationalism is so american we should call it americanism.... :roll:

anyway, the way you were introduced to the world twists your perspective... what if, after all, America was indeed the great Satan & Stock Exchange a vulgar Casino as the new democratically elected Iranian president said... :? I'm used to make my mind only after hearing all parts speak and on the matter your countrymates didn't convince me...

the thing is I think american people are the first to suffer from 50 years of stupid administration in your country (that includes fire arms control, education, health etc...) but americans are too blinded to even consider there could be a better way but theirs... :(

In France we say you have to sweep your front door before you look at other's... something USA has long forgotten...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:38 pm 
I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


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T.I.E. wrote:
valefor wrote:
T.I.E. wrote:
you vote to elect your government therefore you must support the consequences of your vote... that is how democracy works...


How do you know who votes and who doesn't? And for whom?
And even if they do, it is usually based on something other than a candidates position on Imperialism... come on, be real.
and besides, what other alternative do we have?
We did not create the government, we cannot overthrow the government, we have to deal with the government that we have.
I have a big newsflash for all of you: most of us are hardworking honest people that are only trying to make a good life for our families, just like you.
You might as well assert that since the people of Iraq, for only one of many, many examples, did not overthrow Saddam Hussein (elected, BTW) they are responsible for
their governments actions.
Thats just an excuse to justify the vile behavior of a bunch of morons that think it is fashionable to trash my country and her people.
Like I said you do not live here, work ten-twelve hours a day, sometimes six days a week to make ends meet, so fuck off with your misguided arrogant rhetoric!
V.


whatever you say I know you were raised to think that way... nationalism is so american we should call it americanism.... :roll:

anyway, the way you were introduced to the world twists your perspective... what if, after all, America was indeed the great Satan & Stock Exchange a vulgar Casino as the new democratically elected Iranian president said... :? I'm used to make my mind only after hearing all parts speak and on the matter your countrymates didn't convince me...

the thing is I think american people are the first to suffer from 50 years of stupid administration in your country (that includes fire arms control, education, health etc...) but americans are too blinded to even consider there could be a better way but theirs... :(

In France we say you have to sweep your front door before you look at other's... something USA has long forgotten...


You are so typically arrogant that you assume that my world view is based on "whatever you say I know you were raised to think that way..." and "anyway, the way you were introduced to the world twists your perspective".
You don't know anything about my upbringing, so don't even mention it.
What does any of what you wrote have to do with the topic at hand?
Namely the prejudice of a people...
you keep mentioning the government, why can't you and others discern between the PEOPLE and the GOVERNMENT?
What if, after all, Europeans are really pigeon hearted slackers that seldom bathe, yet somehow find a way to arrogantly look down there noses at their, I thought, friends across the pond.
V.


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Astaroth wrote:
I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
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valefor wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


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T.I.E. wrote:
valefor wrote:
T.I.E. wrote:
you vote to elect your government therefore you must support the consequences of your vote... that is how democracy works...


How do you know who votes and who doesn't? And for whom?
And even if they do, it is usually based on something other than a candidates position on Imperialism... come on, be real.
and besides, what other alternative do we have?
We did not create the government, we cannot overthrow the government, we have to deal with the government that we have.
I have a big newsflash for all of you: most of us are hardworking honest people that are only trying to make a good life for our families, just like you.
You might as well assert that since the people of Iraq, for only one of many, many examples, did not overthrow Saddam Hussein (elected, BTW) they are responsible for
their governments actions.
Thats just an excuse to justify the vile behavior of a bunch of morons that think it is fashionable to trash my country and her people.
Like I said you do not live here, work ten-twelve hours a day, sometimes six days a week to make ends meet, so fuck off with your misguided arrogant rhetoric!
V.


whatever you say I know you were raised to think that way... nationalism is so american we should call it americanism.... :roll:

anyway, the way you were introduced to the world twists your perspective... what if, after all, America was indeed the great Satan & Stock Exchange a vulgar Casino as the new democratically elected Iranian president said... :? I'm used to make my mind only after hearing all parts speak and on the matter your countrymates didn't convince me...

the thing is I think american people are the first to suffer from 50 years of stupid administration in your country (that includes fire arms control, education, health etc...) but americans are too blinded to even consider there could be a better way but theirs... :(

In France we say you have to sweep your front door before you look at other's... something USA has long forgotten...


And you are using the IRANIAN rhetoric as a gauge? Incredible, simply incredible... Iran is among the most oppressive regimes in the world, give me a fucking break.
BTW casinos are not legal except on Indian land and two out of 50 states, what a stupid comment.
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zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


Or heres a scenario:
The Russians re-arm, a dictator is elected, and decides to expand westward... not likely, but it is entirely possible...
do you think Europe is in any condition to stop them?
Even in the event of a nuclear exchange, Russia would win, hands down.
You can bet your ass that the leaders of Europe will be calling the White House asking for help.
And don't give me that "Europe can defend herself" BS, we all know how that went.
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valefor wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
valefor wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
I still can't see how saving our ass back then should justify your government who acts like assholes now to make their ends meet.

If i save my neighbour and the next day began to steal and killing in the neightbourhood, i can't just say to the complaining neighbour, i saved the day before, that he shouldn't be complaining since i saved his ass.


How are we in your neighborhood?
Who are stealing from and killing in your neighborhood?
V.


As I see the whole debate, US views on the Iraq war are so different from European ones b/c of 9/11. Europe sees America as starting fights, the recent attacks in London probably took UK further from Europe and more towards US. Attacks on European locations would probably bring US and Europe closer, just like it did w/ Chirac and Blair despite the cvnt making stupid jokes about our agriculture and food. Who's got the Olympics now, Froggo? :twisted:

To repeat what I said before (kind of) : haters shouldn't be hated, but pitied.


Or heres a scenario:
The Russians re-arm, a dictator is elected, and decides to expand westward... not likely, but it is entirely possible...
do you think Europe is in any condition to stop them?
Even in the event of a nuclear exchange, Russia would win, hands down.
You can bet your ass that the leaders of Europe will be calling the White House asking for help.
And don't give me that "Europe can defend herself" BS, we all know how that went.
V.


If US is such a world superpower, why isn't N. Korea being sorted out? Because of fear of another Vietnam, what is happening in Iraq. I think the combined European armies could stop a Russian attack, and I think the Nuclear age is over now as well. Nowadays we have to worry not so much about countries invading each other but terrorist attacks that could be too devastating even for US to recover from, eg chemical, germ warfare, even these electro-magnetic pulse things that crop up all the time.


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valefor wrote:
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valefor wrote:
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you vote to elect your government therefore you must support the consequences of your vote... that is how democracy works...


How do you know who votes and who doesn't? And for whom?
And even if they do, it is usually based on something other than a candidates position on Imperialism... come on, be real.
and besides, what other alternative do we have?
We did not create the government, we cannot overthrow the government, we have to deal with the government that we have.
I have a big newsflash for all of you: most of us are hardworking honest people that are only trying to make a good life for our families, just like you.
You might as well assert that since the people of Iraq, for only one of many, many examples, did not overthrow Saddam Hussein (elected, BTW) they are responsible for
their governments actions.
Thats just an excuse to justify the vile behavior of a bunch of morons that think it is fashionable to trash my country and her people.
Like I said you do not live here, work ten-twelve hours a day, sometimes six days a week to make ends meet, so fuck off with your misguided arrogant rhetoric!
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whatever you say I know you were raised to think that way... nationalism is so american we should call it americanism.... :roll:

anyway, the way you were introduced to the world twists your perspective... what if, after all, America was indeed the great Satan & Stock Exchange a vulgar Casino as the new democratically elected Iranian president said... :? I'm used to make my mind only after hearing all parts speak and on the matter your countrymates didn't convince me...

the thing is I think american people are the first to suffer from 50 years of stupid administration in your country (that includes fire arms control, education, health etc...) but americans are too blinded to even consider there could be a better way but theirs... :(

In France we say you have to sweep your front door before you look at other's... something USA has long forgotten...


And you are using the IRANIAN rhetoric as a gauge? Incredible, simply incredible... Iran is among the most oppressive regimes in the world, give me a fucking break.
BTW casinos are not legal except on Indian land and two out of 50 states, what a stupid comment.
V.


says who ? every goddamn year since it exists your country is condemned by Amnesty International reports for inhuman behaviour... not more or less than Iran which, btw, proved to be one of the very few democratic muslim nations... their latest presidential election was much more valid than the two GWB were... :P

and I said Stock Exchange (Wall Street etc..) was nothing more than a Casino... so I don't see what your comment brings... :roll:


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I love how everyone on this forum is a fucking hippie until it comes to bashing America. You don't listen to NSBM because of it's "hateful" message, yet you do nothing but espouse hate for my country and it's people. I don't agree with my Government, but I DO love my homeland and I've tired of you assholes bashing it. If your Governments had the power to do the same things, then your Governments would, plain and simple. It seems YOU have forgotten how to walk a mile in a person's shoes before you judge them. Come spend some time in America before you judge it. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised. I hate to burst your bubbles, but American Television ISN"T an accurate representation of the people here. Just because our celebrities are vapid idiots doesn't mean the common man is. I know I don't relate to Tom Cruise or Paris Hilton or even Dubya on any level whatsoever. I also see no difference between Bush's ignorance and Chirac's ignorance. they're both arrogant fucks who are out of touch with reality, as is the case with most politicians.


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skullthrone of satan wrote:
I love how everyone on this forum is a fucking hippie until it comes to bashing America. You don't listen to NSBM because of it's "hateful" message, yet you do nothing but espouse hate for my country and it's people. I don't agree with my Government, but I DO love my homeland and I've tired of you assholes bashing it. If your Governments had the power to do the same things, then your Governments would, plain and simple. It seems YOU have forgotten how to walk a mile in a person's shoes before you judge them. Come spend some time in America before you judge it. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised. I hate to burst your bubbles, but American Television ISN"T an accurate representation of the people here. Just because our celebrities are vapid idiots doesn't mean the common man is. I know I don't relate to Tom Cruise or Paris Hilton or even Dubya on any level whatsoever. I also see no difference between Bush's ignorance and Chirac's ignorance. they're both arrogant fucks who are out of touch with reality, as is the case with most politicians.


Part of being a modern liberal hippy IS America-bashing! :wink:

Seriously though, don't take the wrong impression, we all love America really, don't we...? Personally, no, nearly all of the Yankies I've met have been rude, loud, basically everything everyone hates. The thought of going to a land populated by such people is terrifying. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, I find a lot of my countrymen annoying, but people bash America for good reasons, I think.


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skullthrone of satan wrote:
I love how everyone on this forum is a fucking hippie until it comes to bashing America. You don't listen to NSBM because of it's "hateful" message, yet you do nothing but espouse hate for my country and it's people. I don't agree with my Government, but I DO love my homeland and I've tired of you assholes bashing it. If your Governments had the power to do the same things, then your Governments would, plain and simple. It seems YOU have forgotten how to walk a mile in a person's shoes before you judge them. Come spend some time in America before you judge it. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised. I hate to burst your bubbles, but American Television ISN"T an accurate representation of the people here. Just because our celebrities are vapid idiots doesn't mean the common man is. I know I don't relate to Tom Cruise or Paris Hilton or even Dubya on any level whatsoever. I also see no difference between Bush's ignorance and Chirac's ignorance. they're both arrogant fucks who are out of touch with reality, as is the case with most politicians.


I wont argue on the Chirac/Bush comparison... let's just say i fully agree there except I think Bush is even more stupid than Chirac (which was not easy :P )

then, I don't bash Americans, i pity them.. they've been kept in an almost complete ignorance of the state of the world's affairs thus they really think they are the good guys here to save freedom when they're just manipulated by powerful companies such as Hally burton... :? I didn't say all were but a majority of your countrymates are beyond stupid because that's what your government wants...

also, we europeans are getting tired of how US think they are the world Police... who are they do decide weither an election is valid or not... weither a regime is oppressive or not... UN is there for that matter but US adminstration just doesn't seem to care much about UN or other countries opposition... can't we call that arrogance ? :roll:

then, I'm afraid the worst is yet to come for your country... first your economy will break down (for the benefit of both India & China)... then, what is going to happen ?... I think 1929 was a piece of cake when compared to what will happen in about 20/30 years... I fear Civil War is on its way... :(

btw, I have very good american friends and I've met a lot of americans while traveling in Asia so i do know all you americans aren't stupid cunts as some might think but, then again, it's just a minority but a growing minority which is a good sign... :D


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How did it feel being outdebated by a nazi, hippie boy ?


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