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On the surface, that is how it appears. However, my questioning of "right" and "wrong", has more to do with the fact that I believe that they are subjective and rely on a number of factors.

"That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil" - Nietzsche. So what are expressions of love, hatred, right, wrong etc. I think it's terribly important to understand why a person thinks the way they do, instead of simply writing them off as silly, stupid, uneducated, or not belonging "anywhere", as metalhead implied. Although it may seem differently to others, to me this idea doesn't have much to do with respecting others, but bettering yourself intellectually. Who are you if you can't even try to understand the "moron" you're arguing with?

Hitler used National Socialism as a vessel to power, and in that sense I'd argue that the man himself was not the fanatical anti-semetic he claimed to be.

Nearing the end of the war the Party and it's power had grown so large, that to claim Hitler as sole influencer, and responsible for all is like saying George W. Bush is responsible for the war in Iraq (come on, we all know Daddy's role in all this ). One politician cannot move an entire nation into action...a "poster boy" can influence it.

Meanwhile in the States, Scandinavia and the Netherlands there are numerous black or arab gang attacks invocking anti-European remarks which result in injuring or killing people of European descent. In Canada, the ex- head of the Jewish Canadian Congress, now our Minister of Justice, lobied to have all German and Ukrainian Canadians deported on the basis of "holocaust affiliations".

So I think when we talk about NSBM, it has to be understood that the National Socialism or simply nationalism implied by certain groups is not necessarily that of the 1940's. Today in many cases it implies a struggle for cultural preservation.

As far as I'm concerned, their concerns for cultural preservation are well-founded. All over Western Europe and North America today there are overwhelming examples of crimes directed at Indo-Europeans and Indo-European culture. Just recently in Canada we've had a number of admited hoaxs presented by mostly Muslim children claiming to have been attacked by "white supremacist assailants". One of them injured himself and cut his own hair claiming that "neo-nazis" had done it. Meanwhile in the States, Scandinavia and the Netherlands there are numerous black or arab gang attacks invocking anti-European remarks which result in injuring or killing people of European descent. In Canada, the ex- head of the Jewish Canadian Congress, now our Minister of Justice, lobied to have all German and Ukrainian Canadians deported on the basis of "holocaust affiliations"

reading Mein Kampf doesn't necessarily mean being a nazi-head... I like to know my enemies thus I can prepare the weapons to destroy them before they destroy me... and, well, all information is worth in that case...

Sure I can. I can give you dozens of examples of dictators that caused all kind of things to their people, from genocide to economic collapse and hunger. How many "enlightened" dictators can you list, so you can back yours? Dictators that did good for their people, without killing anyone in the process, and without depriving them of their rights?
I'm pretty sure you can't list them, because no such thing exists. It's simple: in order to instaurate a dictatorship, you need to take rights away from the people. It cannot be done otherwise, and that's already a crime. In addition, you will need to have a system of terror that will take care of people when they become discontent with your ruling, because you can't really resign or organise fair elections in order for them to elect someone else, can you? What you will end up doind is setting up an institution, some type of "special police" that will kill the most dangerous oposants, imprison or deport the others. In case of a mass movement, you will simply let the army handle the demonstrants. Tanks and machine guns are almost always the ideal solution. That's a pretty standard profile for modern dictators, what's so good about them?



Maybe I'm not an expert, but I'm knowledgeable. Communist regimes are not that different one from each other. Neither are communists dictators, or dictators in generally. The fact that I lived the first 15 years of my life in a communist regime, under a communist dictator (a very good friend of Fidel's, btw) in a latin country, gives me some very good perspective on how things are in Cuba. I know all about the risk of "disapearing" if you somehow oppose the dictator, I know all about going to jail because someone who didn't like you informed the authorities about your lack of sympathy for the regime propaganda (even if it's not true). I know about being always careful about what you''re saying and to whom, I know about having little or no rights, and mostly I know a lot about fear. I also know these things are something you really need to experience in order to fuly understand them, so I'm trying not to get upset when someone says what you said about Castro. Though I don't always succeed, because it's too personal.
You're saying that socialism is needed in Cuba because it's a poor country. I'm under the impression you're confusing the notions of socialism and communism. Communism is definitely not needed anywhere.



I'm under that impression again. Remeber: 1. I said nothing against socialism; 2. There's no socialism in Cuba.



I don't, as far as democratic societies are concerned, where there is a change to power. I do, when I'm talking about countries that have had endured the same dictator for some 40 years.

I've stated before that I support socialism, but not communism. Communism does not work because 99 out of 100 times the leaders get power hungry. I simple believe that communism is better than American-like capitalism in very poor countries. Less people would suffer.

There's no freedom in any country in the world because freedom simply does not work. The best leadership for a country is one that takes care of all of its people as best as it can without hurting other countries. That whole freedom crap is American propaganda bullshit (and I feel I should mention that North America has the highest depression rate in the world).

If capitalism was introduced in Cuba, many more people would starve and die. Communism isn't the best, but for Cuba, it's better than capitalism. Fidel has a much better track record than most communist leaders.

And keep this in mind, America may not be responsible for killing many of its own people... in the last centaury anyway, but they kill a hell of a lot more people from other countries than any other nation in the world.

Sure, Saddam was an ass, but here's a lovely statistic: An Iraqi civilian is 58 times more likely to die a violent death today than she or he was before the U.S. invasion.

so.. we actually have 5 nazis on MR Forums.... most of you remain decent human beings...

the world may not be that crazy after all... :roll:

If you take NS to equate with "nazi", which is a fairly accurate thing to do, IMO, then you assume that a band classed as "NSBM" must reflect nazi ideology in their lyrics, or how they present themselves. Therefore, anyone who puts "I love it! the message too!" is claiming to have some sympathies with this ideology. It is, admittedly, staggeringly presumptuous to declare that the five people who did are Hitler worshipping racists(!) but I don't think anyone meant to do that, really. However, I think the underlying point that some of us would try to make is that even one person ticking that box is too many. The world would be a much better place without racial prejudice, which is essentially the basis of an NS outlook.

Who are these nazi's you speak of?
And how did you determine that they are nazis?
Finally, how do you know these "nazis" are not decent human beings?
V.

Hmmm... I did not even look at the poll...
a distinction should be made between ancestral pride and racism, though.
To be fair, almost 50% more voted to "kill those nazis"...
so killing someone for their belief is considered a decent human endeavor (t.i.e.' s words, I know...)?
Surely no one here advocates murder based on mere belief or a world view which is different from their own...
why does that not trigger a similar response?
V.

Being intolerant to intolerance is very intolerant...

because a decent human nazi is an oxymoron... then anybody who says he enjoys both the music and the message within NSBM is either a nazihead or a supporter of their cause so basically the kind of person who deserves nothing less than a bullet in the head... I know it a bit extreme but I it's the kind of treatment these people would be happy to give me if they had the chance to... :evil:

and I still don't know if you're a nazi or just a defender of free speech but I have the feeling what our values differ a lot... :roll:

Make that 100 of 100. But that's human nature. To get power hungry. All leaders are power hungry, everywhere. The difference is in the system. In democracy, they need to go after a while. In communism, they can stay forever. So, they do.

Less people suffer? It's not true. People always suffer from lack of human rights and liberties, and that's what they get in Cuba or other similar regimes. To say they don't suffer because of this is regarding them like animals.

As for the economic aspect, in long term more people will suffer. Actually, as the country gets poorer and poorer, all people get to suffer, except for party leaders. Communism is a highly inefficient management system, and it's no accident that communist countries were always poorer and less developed than the democratic ones. According to a reputed french economist (whose name eludes me right now), a country emerges from communism some 50 years behind the economic/development status it had when it had entered, and based on my country's experience I can tell you that man knew what he was saying. Pure communism leads to poverty and stagnation (or rather, regression), by its very nature.



What you just said about freedom is very shocking to me. I just guess an old truth is just as valid in this case: people really need to be deprived of something in order for them to finally be able to apreciate it, supposing they ever get it back. The fact that many people in Western Europe or North America don't realise what freedom they enjoy, or don't appreciate it, it's a clear indication of that truth to me.



This is so untrue. If capitalism were introduced to Cuba, it would have the same effects it had on ex-communists countries from Europe. It would be a very difficult period, indeed, but after that things would begin to be much better. It's called transition, and if it's done right, it leads to very good things, even if it's lengthy. Examples? Take a look at Poland or Hungary. Or even Bulgary or Romania, for that matter.

To say Fidel has a better record than other communist dictators is like sniffing several turds trying to determine which one stinks less. Regardless of their odour capacity, in the end the truth is the same: they're all turds.



Whatever mistakes US (or any other democratic countries, for that matter) do, it still doesn't mean that communism and dictatorships are better, just by contrast. An objective comparison, in whatever aspect, will always show a convincing advantage for the democratic countries.

Cuba would not prosper with capitalism, it would become like fucking Haiti. If the rest of the world were to live by North American standards, the resources of three Earths would be required, so unless the richer countries out there want to give up some of their wealth, some countries are going to need socialism.

Haiti is a perfect example of what capitalism does to a poor country. Less than 2% of the Haiti population controls almost all of the wealth. 90% of the people in Haiti live in shacks with no electricity or running water.

My friend has been there, and he's told me about the countless homeless and diseased children fending for themselves on the street--or the fields of mounds (unmarked graveyards).

So if I had to choose between freedom of speech or food and shelter, you bet your fucking ass I'd choose the latter.

I totally agree...

freedom of speech is overrated as I could figure out when traveling through Asia... I think us, westerners whatever our country is, are just not trying to think with a different mind... we presume everybody shares our values and therefore has the same way of holding on to the events... Americans are the worst at it and that's why Americans are hated all over the planet except in their sweet homeland...

anyway, the Cuban issue is even more complicated... the thing is americans never accepted losing their carribean luna park over a bunch of beardy, hairy, cigar smoking communists... since Castro came to power they never ceased harrassing Cuba like with the economic and commercial blocus they conduct.... for a long time Cuba has been saved by USSR's help, but since the communist empire disappeared things have been more hard... now Cubans are dying because of that US blocus... so many innocent deads in order to defend the american pseudo-democracy (more like a theocracy these days :? ) and the same thing happened in Iraq between 1991 & 2003...

imho, capitalism is a plague that is killing our planet and the US are the champions of that self-destructive behaviour... :evil:

"a bullet in the head" was an overstatement I used just to show you how I despised that ideology and the people who support it... same goes with every ideology that get people to blindly hate other people...

I know you americans believe everyone is free to speak his word... in my european perspective that is very wrong and even more if the words you speak refer to an ideology designed to put a category of people higher than another going as far as killing the supposed inferiors... NS clearly does that, salafic islam does it too.. both are very wrong and worshipers of such causes should be either retarded or manipulated... or just "evil" would you say :roll:

btw, I have no problem with getting my hands bloody if it's for a just cause... if killing 1 person saves 100 others I think it's a just cause, don't you ? :?