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 Post subject: Barcode - Showdown (#2820)
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:42 pm 
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Barcode - Showdown
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:53 pm 
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Here is comes… a flurry forum postings about how we shouldn’t review these types of albums and how we should focus more on quality metal releases. Well, before anyone says anything, here’s what I’ve got to say: Our responsibility as reviewers is to do our best to present/review the metal scene in whichever way it unfolds and in the most unbiased way possible. Bands such as Barcode, and several others, have managed to score deals with Metal record labels despite the fact that they aren’t Metal at all. Though we could easily ignore bands like these, I believe omitting such releases would be misrepresenting how the head-honchos of the metal industry are trying to steer the musical direction of the genre of music we love so much. If these bands are being pushed by metal labels, we should surely say what we think about the music they’re dishing out.


I strongly agree with this. When Nuclear Blast used to send us promos in the past, I looked forward to opening the package as I could count on this label to deliver quality music to my ears week after week. And now, they release this shit. Nuclear Blast, WTF??!?! I hope this isn't a trend of NB and other major metal labels.

With the quality of releases in NB's history, it's a shame to see them give shit bands like Barcode the time of day. Like Jason said, if you want to market borderline metal (but outright shit) to metalheads, don't shake your head when it's not well received!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:54 pm 
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I can see your point as to the musical direction that the labels are going etc, but surely everyone who takes any interest in the metal world at all knows that a tidal wave of metalcore is being unleashed on us, and the vast, vast majority of it is complete crap? Your review doesn't give any reason for reviewing the 'core other than to tell us what direction they're going, OK thanks, message received, but there are still a lot of excellent releases that are not being reviewed, amongst them the few good metalcore albums.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:14 pm 
MAKE MY DAY

Michael Stipe - sissy whining tart
Fucking Phil Collins - the pent-up fart
Stevie Wonder seems way too glad
Gary Moore is not bluesy but sad

Amstrong, Leblanc and the doped detour
Sorry Stephen King - there ain’t no cure
Michael Jackson’s too kind to the kids
DJ Ötzi fucking swindler bitch

NO EXCUSE IS THE GAME TONIGHT
NO FUCKING REASONS - JUST ANNOY AND IGNITE
Delivering a genuine reason to cry
Make my day - go ahead and die

Britney’s Beers - show us your clit
Claudia Schiffer - because you’re not worth it
Ewan McGregor don’t deserve the force
Céline Dion’s got the face of a horse

No more surgery for Little Richard
Osama – where’ve you Bin? – you fucking coward
Dieter Bolen is a popstar fool
Bill Gates needs a new hairdo

Bob Geldorf - self-righteous Santa
Axl Rose and his ugly bandana
Germany’s national football team
Play like shit - but they always win

Hairball Nickleback - epic cry-baby
Steve Martin - where’s the fun gone lately
Jimmy Page could have been eternally all right
If not for Puff Daddy - the fucking parasite


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:18 pm 
zadsterboombox wrote:
I can see your point as to the musical direction that the labels are going etc, but surely everyone who takes any interest in the metal world at all knows that a tidal wave of metalcore is being unleashed on us, and the vast, vast majority of it is complete crap? Your review doesn't give any reason for reviewing the 'core other than to tell us what direction they're going, OK thanks, message received, but there are still a lot of excellent releases that are not being reviewed, amongst them the few good metalcore albums.


two things


1. I agree with you that there are some (but very few) quality metalcore releases, but barcode isn't even metalcore! it is purely bostonian hardcore which sounds completely like punk.

2. Like i said in my Bleed the Sky review. Tell us the "quality" albums and we'll review them. we review what we receive, and so far we've received mostly crapola.

Jason


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:23 pm 
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Jason@Metalreviews wrote:
MAKE MY DAY

Michael Stipe - sissy whining tart
Fucking Phil Collins - the pent-up fart
Stevie Wonder seems way too glad
Gary Moore is not bluesy but sad

Amstrong, Leblanc and the doped detour
Sorry Stephen King - there ain’t no cure
Michael Jackson’s too kind to the kids
DJ Ötzi fucking swindler bitch

NO EXCUSE IS THE GAME TONIGHT
NO FUCKING REASONS - JUST ANNOY AND IGNITE
Delivering a genuine reason to cry
Make my day - go ahead and die

Britney’s Beers - show us your clit
Claudia Schiffer - because you’re not worth it
Ewan McGregor don’t deserve the force
Céline Dion’s got the face of a horse

No more surgery for Little Richard
Osama – where’ve you Bin? – you fucking coward
Dieter Bolen is a popstar fool
Bill Gates needs a new hairdo

Bob Geldorf - self-righteous Santa
Axl Rose and his ugly bandana
Germany’s national football team
Play like shit - but they always win

Hairball Nickleback - epic cry-baby
Steve Martin - where’s the fun gone lately
Jimmy Page could have been eternally all right
If not for Puff Daddy - the fucking parasite


:lol:
= so bad it's good!
I can really feel where these guys are coming from!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:14 pm 
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Thost lyrics are terrible. So terrible, in fact, that I didn't expect to be assaulted with something as bad as this. They try to be controversial, but just... wow...


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 Post subject: Perplexed
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:57 pm 
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OK, i do not really know about the business and how labels decide to release material, but how is it possible that they release this material? I am no songwriter, but the first verse is enough indication of horrible ideas/songwriting

For what reason do Metal Blade (or Nuclear Blast) release these albums? Do they think they are going to sell?

ciao


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:27 pm 
zadsterboombox wrote:
I can see your point as to the musical direction that the labels are going etc, but surely everyone who takes any interest in the metal world at all knows that a tidal wave of metalcore is being unleashed on us, and the vast, vast majority of it is complete crap? Your review doesn't give any reason for reviewing the 'core other than to tell us what direction they're going, OK thanks, message received, but there are still a lot of excellent releases that are not being reviewed, amongst them the few good metalcore albums.


Wait, did you just say good metalcore? That's an oxymoron. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:29 pm 
crims@metalreviews wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
I can see your point as to the musical direction that the labels are going etc, but surely everyone who takes any interest in the metal world at all knows that a tidal wave of metalcore is being unleashed on us, and the vast, vast majority of it is complete crap? Your review doesn't give any reason for reviewing the 'core other than to tell us what direction they're going, OK thanks, message received, but there are still a lot of excellent releases that are not being reviewed, amongst them the few good metalcore albums.


Wait, did you just say good metalcore? That's an oxymoron. :)


yeah sure... just like a clever metalhead ! :twisted:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:42 pm 
T.I.E. wrote:
crims@metalreviews wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
I can see your point as to the musical direction that the labels are going etc, but surely everyone who takes any interest in the metal world at all knows that a tidal wave of metalcore is being unleashed on us, and the vast, vast majority of it is complete crap? Your review doesn't give any reason for reviewing the 'core other than to tell us what direction they're going, OK thanks, message received, but there are still a lot of excellent releases that are not being reviewed, amongst them the few good metalcore albums.


Wait, did you just say good metalcore? That's an oxymoron. :)


yeah sure... just like a clever metalhead ! :twisted:


touche :P


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:52 pm 
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Jason@Metalreviews wrote:
MAKE MY DAY

Michael Stipe - sissy whining tart
Fucking Phil Collins - the pent-up fart
Stevie Wonder seems way too glad
Gary Moore is not bluesy but sad

Amstrong, Leblanc and the doped detour
Sorry Stephen King - there ain’t no cure
Michael Jackson’s too kind to the kids
DJ Ötzi fucking swindler bitch

NO EXCUSE IS THE GAME TONIGHT
NO FUCKING REASONS - JUST ANNOY AND IGNITE
Delivering a genuine reason to cry
Make my day - go ahead and die

Britney’s Beers - show us your clit
Claudia Schiffer - because you’re not worth it
Ewan McGregor don’t deserve the force
Céline Dion’s got the face of a horse

No more surgery for Little Richard
Osama – where’ve you Bin? – you fucking coward
Dieter Bolen is a popstar fool
Bill Gates needs a new hairdo

Bob Geldorf - self-righteous Santa
Axl Rose and his ugly bandana
Germany’s national football team
Play like shit - but they always win

Hairball Nickleback - epic cry-baby
Steve Martin - where’s the fun gone lately
Jimmy Page could have been eternally all right
If not for Puff Daddy - the fucking parasite


Holy shit those lyrics reminds me of Anal Cunt's "Dead, Gay and Dropped" and I guess that Anal Cunt are more unserious than these guys :?

Only one question: Crap-o-the-millenium? Is it THAT bad?? It has some serious competition for that award man :P


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:53 pm 
December Flower wrote:
Jason@Metalreviews wrote:
MAKE MY DAY

Michael Stipe - sissy whining tart
Fucking Phil Collins - the pent-up fart
Stevie Wonder seems way too glad
Gary Moore is not bluesy but sad

Amstrong, Leblanc and the doped detour
Sorry Stephen King - there ain’t no cure
Michael Jackson’s too kind to the kids
DJ Ötzi fucking swindler bitch

NO EXCUSE IS THE GAME TONIGHT
NO FUCKING REASONS - JUST ANNOY AND IGNITE
Delivering a genuine reason to cry
Make my day - go ahead and die

Britney’s Beers - show us your clit
Claudia Schiffer - because you’re not worth it
Ewan McGregor don’t deserve the force
Céline Dion’s got the face of a horse

No more surgery for Little Richard
Osama – where’ve you Bin? – you fucking coward
Dieter Bolen is a popstar fool
Bill Gates needs a new hairdo

Bob Geldorf - self-righteous Santa
Axl Rose and his ugly bandana
Germany’s national football team
Play like shit - but they always win

Hairball Nickleback - epic cry-baby
Steve Martin - where’s the fun gone lately
Jimmy Page could have been eternally all right
If not for Puff Daddy - the fucking parasite


Holy shit those lyrics reminds me of Anal Cunt's "Dead, Gay and Dropped" and I guess that Anal Cunt are more unserious than these guys :?

Only one question: Crap-o-the-millenium? Is it THAT bad?? It has some serious competition for that award man :P


No, thats just a bit of exaggeration. really bad, but there way worse.

Jason


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:32 pm 
I listened to a few tracks, and yes they are bad--I would give them about 35/100. Metalreviewers review things like they're seven year olds however, so every album gets a love it or hate it score.

I don't agree with your logic reviewing this album. It is not metal AT ALL. What the fuck does it matter what label they're on? Blind Guardian is on Virgin, are you going to start reviewing some Virgin release pop stars?

In my opinion, it's not so much that hardcore (atleast hardcore that is completely non-metal-influenced) should not be taking up our review space, but that you're not worthy to give it a score. You don't like the genre, and therefore have no grounds to review it. Your opinion is uneducated in the area and means nothing.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:55 am 
crims@metalreviews wrote:
zadsterboombox wrote:
I can see your point as to the musical direction that the labels are going etc, but surely everyone who takes any interest in the metal world at all knows that a tidal wave of metalcore is being unleashed on us, and the vast, vast majority of it is complete crap? Your review doesn't give any reason for reviewing the 'core other than to tell us what direction they're going, OK thanks, message received, but there are still a lot of excellent releases that are not being reviewed, amongst them the few good metalcore albums.


Wait, did you just say good metalcore? That's an oxymoron. :)


That is the most accurate statement I've ever read on these forums!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:33 am 
Jaden wrote:
I listened to a few tracks, and yes they are bad--I would give them about 35/100. Metalreviewers review things like they're seven year olds however, so every album gets a love it or hate it score.

I don't agree with your logic reviewing this album. It is not metal AT ALL. What the fuck does it matter what label they're on? Blind Guardian is on Virgin, are you going to start reviewing some Virgin release pop stars?

In my opinion, it's not so much that hardcore (atleast hardcore that is completely non-metal-influenced) should not be taking up our review space, but that you're not worthy to give it a score. You don't like the genre, and therefore have no grounds to review it. Your opinion is uneducated in the area and means nothing.


Buddy... let me tell you a few things that will dislodge that great big stick up your butt.

First off i agree with you that there tends to be somewhat of a "love it or hate it" polarization when it comes to reviews... but we aren't perfect and it is mostly due to the fact that we have the liberty to choose what we want to review. we've implmented underscores and reader scores just for that reason... is that not enough?

Second, why does it matter what label they're on? becuase they're on a team that is supposed to represents a different genre of music...duh. Labels are meant to market and distribute music, so the reason why they focus on specific types of music is because they affiliate themselves with specific bands, fans, radio shows, etc with the intention of winning them over and selling them their music. Virgin is bad example because they are a giga-huge and established record label that signs bands that will have a guaranteed return on their investment. I know that Virgin has been mostly Team Cash, but i also thought that Nuclear Blast was mostly team Metal. Why does it matter that NB is signing pure hardcore bands because either A) they are whoring their well established label to hardcore in the name of $$$ or B) they are just stupid and selling refrigerators to eskimos. get it?

third and foremost... I'm not qualified to review a hardcore album? Before spewing out answers solely based on assumption, try finishing my review or reading a few of the bands i have put in my all time favorites. I don't like or know anything punk or hardcore?... dude... how can i convince you.. hmm. How about this.

i can send you by mail approximately 150 ticket stubs from all the punk concerts i've been to.

or

i can photograph my extensive punk/hardcore collection of music for you.

or

send you the drumsticks, picks photographs and autographs (some with me in them too) of bands such as AFI, Lagwagon, Strung Out, Lars Fredriksen and The Bastards, The Deviates, H2O, Raised Fist, Sick of It All, Propagandhi, Leftover Crack, Anti-Flag, Choking Victim, NOFX, Dropkick Murphys, Death by Stereo, Guttermouth, Pennywise, The Bouncing Souls... i could go on and on and on and on....

or

send you my 17 page Integrated Seminar paper on "the deviant behavior of the punk rock subculture... along with the documntary i showed the class to compliment the oral presentation.

or

send you signed testimonials from my old highschool classmates that say " Jason was by all means the biggest punk conaisseur until he graduated"

shall i list more of my "qualifications" that would allow me to assess an album like Barcode's...or is that enough?

Am i being a smart ass? fuckin' right. But don't question my ability to critically evaluate bands, because i'm not reviewing music for the pussy, thats for sure.

Jason


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buuuurrrrnnnn! :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:04 am 
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I only became a member of the forum to check out the lyrics to make my day!!

hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Wow that was so worth it. Some things they say I agree with like Celine Dion having a face like a horse.

Yeah Barcode are crapola :!:


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Jason@Metalreviews wrote:
First off i agree with you that there tends to be somewhat of a "love it or hate it" polarization when it comes to reviews... but we aren't perfect and it is mostly due to the fact that we have the liberty to choose what we want to review. we've implmented underscores and reader scores just for that reason... is that not enough?


You have the liberty to choose what to review...yet you review crappy hardcore (hardcore, metalcore, shitcore, what's the difference? Not a large one) albums to show everybody that the big labels are putting out shit. Wow, gee, thanks, no-one this side of Neptune knew that! And even if people did not know about the huge amount of 'core getting released, are there really people that will buy whatever a label releases without checking it out first? Surely not! So why, again, review shite when there is so much good that could be reviewed?

crims@metalreviews.com wrote:
Wait, did you just say good metalcore? That's an oxymoron.


OK, don't agree that some metalcore is good, keep your closed-mind attitude to new music, however shit the majority is. I personally think that some metalcore is not bad. Sue me.


BTW, Jason, you are the most punkest person I have ever met in my entire life. Respect, and grow that mohawk long!


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you are the most punkest person


I thought being the most 'punkest' was all about attitude not about what's in your record collection. Oh and growing up in the 70's kinda helps too :roll:


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