Metal Reviews

Now you're just being childish and ridiculous. This is exactly what I mean when I say some people just lose their head entirely when a subject comes up that they don't particularly agree with. well well, if something is "racist" then it of course must be unintelligent...yet ignore the immature manner in which the one attempting to "mock" acts :roll:

nice to see we got at least 3 racist/nazi shitheads on these boards.

But then again, i think you should be carefull when calling bands nazis. Being proud of being white, proud of your ancestors, country and/or cultur isn't enough for me to call them nazies, unless they're directly stating that they hate black ( etc.) and they think they're superior etc. ( hope you know what i mean). Of course, some bands make it way to clear that they're nazies.

Well, when they sing about white mans power, its pretty obvious...

i believe i already covered that in my post. But yes, that's too obvious

Capitalists, Colonists, Religionists, etc. are responsible for millions of deaths as well.

Precisely. One cannot adhere to an ideology without accepting that, were the advocators of that ideology to come to power they would most likely commit similar acts to that of the previous opposition. Which is why I am not particularly an advocator of specific ideologies, but for considering, and thinking for one's self. I know that I personally cannot claim to adhere to one particular ideology myself for similar reasons. Whether you are a communist/socialist, conservative etc., your opposition will always suffer through your reign; in the most extreme conditions your opposition will most likely be ruthlessly slaughtered. To say that one ideology is more just than another is slightly hypocritical in my opinion, as the reactions in a place of total power are evidently quite similar. Look at the French revolution, the American war of independance, movements which were supposed to free the people but which ended up doing the same (yet the opposite) of what the previous ruler did. While aiding the poor they oppressed or killed the higher class...so much for equality for all. In the end this is human nature; to believe that your "own" (whether that be by race, ideology, favourite colour:p or whatever) beliefs are superior to that of others. Intolerence is intolrence no matter how "justified" you think that prejudice is. It makes far more sense to acknowledge that all instituted ideologies would wreak similar events, than to ignorantly insult another ideology for similar actions to that of your own toward that which you dislike.



well said

But we're not listening to ambiguous lyrics, and then assuming they're nazis. If a band openly describes themselves as "NS", then they HAVE to be regarded as such.

NS = National Socialist = Nazi. There's not really an argument here is there?.

And the world would be a better place if all Nazi's were erased, although my respect for free speech would prevent me from enforcing this.

So, in conclusion I voted "kill those nazi's now", although I don't actually advocate this in any literal sense.

me?
those lyrics were anti-ns...

i am immature? i am mocking them, so i am fucking IMMATURE? fuck you!
i couldnt give a toss how well thought out the lyrics are, i was pointing out the stupidity iof racism...
if you in any way shape or form agree with racism then you have no place here, or anywhere.

I love it ! the message too ! :twisted:

Well thank you for highlighting my comment on immaturity, and the hypocrisy of your comments. Are you acting in an immature fashion?





Well once more I have to thank you for your schoolyard mentality, here. How very "mature" of you.

I really wonder if you read my post at all, or if you were too blinded by hatred (you know the "hatred" you are apparently against) to understand.

I have no place here or anywhere according to whom? According to you? Who died and made you king of the world? The whole POINT I was trying to make was that each ideology, whether racist or anti-racist, implies this same form of extreme hatred. You are implementing the same form of hatred and immaturity you see in skinheads. What's the difference between a skinhead mocking multiculties and you mocking skinheads? You both think your actions are justified, it all depends on who's rules you're playing by. What is right or wrong anyhow? It depends on which nation, society or era we live in. What's correct to you was not correct in the past nor will be correct in the future. So what makes you think your ideology is ultimate truth? Were you born in another time, and another place you might have thought entirely differently, no matter which form of thought (if any) is more "enlightened" than the other.



He was referring to the poll results.

Thread over, IronDuchess wins.

Well let's see...NSBM heh?

First of all i'm gonna say i'm with the guy that said that NSBM was often sub-standard black metal...let's face it...it suck real fucking bad. Except some band like Nokturnal Mortum but their music decreased a lot on Nechrist and that's about the time they became "real" NSBM.

Second: Black metal come with ideologogy, strong and extreme ones. BUT one of these ideology is mysenthropy and to me it's one of the most important. I laugh my ass of when pseudo-16 year old-true-nazi-black-elitist talk about both subject...i mean how can you preach your hate against manking and your pride of belonging to a certain demographic mass? Seriously, most of these band should quit, if i want nazi propaganda i'm gonna watch Triumph Des Willen and if i want black metal i'm gonna listen to dark throne...

like one time after a show, some guy came to talk to me and asked me if my band was NS or pagan...i answered to hime: Where kinda like just a black metal band we don't stand for politics and we don't play music so everyone knows how clever or opinions are. People should keep their belief for themselves and live according to it, building their own philosophy according to their own experience...every day i see people say they hate jew and never encountered one in their whole existence...fuck off!

I hate the message but there are some good bands out there: GBK, Hate Forest, Drudkh, Nokturnal Mortum, Veles, Fullmoon (R.I.P.) and Graveland are some good examples.

The whole argument goes around in circles. By hating people, you are wrong (not 'you', one in general). So by hating haters, you are hating people yourself. But can you take that mantle upon yourself, saying who is right and wrong, as IronDuchess said? No, of course not, o/wise you end up like the US, protecting itself by destroying others, and don't get me wrong, sometimes that is necessary, but it isn't up to us, who are really the people in the streets, to decide who is wrong and who is right. By accepting the rule of a government you are accepting their choices as to what is wrong and right. What I like about BM is its rejection of people ruling over you, its anarchy (ditto punk) from its Satanist views. I won't however be an anarchist in real life, since I accept that a government is necessary to keep law and order. This otherworld where anarchy rules, people kill each other (death/grind) and rescue princesses from dragons (power) is part of all metal.
I think NSBM is part of that, and since from what my limited research shows that it's more about pride for homeland than hatred of others (even Hitler killed Jews/Homosexuals/gypsies etc because they were apparently the cause fo Germany's decline). You don't have to be a Nazi to listen to NSBM, just as you don't have to be a Satanist to listen to BM, a serial killer to listen to goregrind or a noble knight to listen to power.

Of course, in an ideal world none of this music would be necessary (rock n'roll started out of rebellion), and we all could live in peace and harmony, but in a harsh world where evil things happen, harsh and evil music is necessary. As the guy from Lamb Of God said, 'armageddon needs a heavy metal soundtrack', and whilst I'm not saying LOG are the most evil band ever, I do agree with him in that point.

IronDuchess, I think Metalhead's point was that hatred was wrong, and he is reacting against the hatred rather than responding in type. I do see your point though.

It was good to read around here, some wise words have been spread with profound ideas. For myself, I tend to like black metal bands that have lyrics about nature, and are strongly bonded to that. I could buy and LP just for the landscape on the cover. I hate nazis, I think they are stupid kleingeistern with a selforiented lifeview. I don't hate them because they hate though, so I can agree with Zadster and IronDutchess etc. here. I prefer the total absence of politics and the likes in BM, but I don't mind if the result is what I want to hear. Usually the absence of politics is a meaning through with best black metal can be made, as the same goes for the absence of normal songstructures, but if the result is ok, I wouldn't mind. If I were myself to begin a BM band, it wouldn't have any ideology and might not even have lyrics, but that asside. In my view that the absence of politics works to create music I like better, the place of NSBM is quite awkward, for a lot of it is highly nature oriented: Drudkh, Hate Forest, Forest, Woodtemple etc. etc. and a lot of the french stuff has an extreme underlying sadness that is caried by pride, a combination that does not necessarily belong to NSBM. A lot of it sucks indeed, but I found that a large part is also too good to ignore, this part is bigger than in satanic black metal for example. So indeed, one could turn their head from it, it's all personal choice and I can imagine why someone would, but I shouldn't be looked down on if I occasionally buy an NSBM record because it simply owns.

Valefor? He hasn't posted here yet... Post deleted?

I dislike anyone who adheres to a set of beliefs that says I'm subhuman and undeserving of life. I don't understand why I have to tolerate someone who says I should be killed because of who I am. If someone came up to you and said they wanted to kill you, you'd probably react in a fairly negative manner.

I don't like NSBM because I don't like being told I'm a worthless piece of shit responsible for the decline of the Aryan race (we're ignoring the fact that a rather large percentage of neo-Nazis aren't Aryan as Hitler defined it :roll: ). People can listen to whatever they want, I'm not trying to say you can't listen to Graveland if you like the music. But if someone listens to NSBM because they agree with the message, I have a problem with them. I don't see why I should have to deal with someone who thinks I should be killed, and I certainly won't listen to or support their music.

Call me a racist, I don't give a damn, but I don't tolerate intolerance.

Musically, I like the two NSBM I've listened to so far, Drudkh and Nokturnal Mortum. Though I'm not sure Drudkh lyrics are NS. If Burzum counts as NS, I like it too. As for ideology, I dislike nazi message and everything related, including the mildest forms, those of "pride in one's rase". What the fuck is so great about rase to take pride in? Or about nationality, or about gender, and so on? I only take pride in what I do and in the way I think, not in some characteristics that I was accidentaly born with. To take pride in these is rather stupid, to discriminate others because of these it's even more stupid.

As I knew in advance, most people here said they dislike the NS ideology. But there are some who don't. I just wonder why the people who sympathize with NS go around the subject, give hints about this sympathy but always avoid to acknowledge it directly. Or just vote anonymously.