Metal Reviews

Newest and Best Metal Reviews!
FAQ :: Search :: Members :: Groups :: Register
Login
It is currently Sat May 24, 2025 7:06 pm



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2   
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:45 pm 
Offline
Metal King
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:49 pm
Posts: 1150
Location: Toronto
Whatever....at least it's not Little Richard.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:20 pm 
Offline
Ist Krieg
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:15 pm
Posts: 13700
Location: Cincinnati OH
Why does Stefan always want to change things? It's called an Archive tag ffs.

_________________
http://www.last.fm/user/traptunderice


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:44 pm 
Offline
Karma Whore
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:08 pm
Posts: 3246
Location: En France, mon ami !
I'm okay with the archive tag but the reason some reviews are upped to classic status is because it's "special to the reviewer's little heart". So rather than reviews not fitting the section why not applying a new tag for albums one holds dear but are quite obscure, that would make them more remarkable or something but, like I said, I have no problem with the archive tag.

And I don't always want things to change but, sometimes, addujstments have to be made. Anyway, nothing ever changes down here so you're probably right, I shouldn't bother.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:48 pm 
Offline
Ist Krieg
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:15 pm
Posts: 13700
Location: Cincinnati OH
Going out of one's way to do an Archive essentially shows that it must be important in some way to the reviewer. That's what scores are for. This being a classic is just lame though.

_________________
http://www.last.fm/user/traptunderice


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:06 pm 
Offline
Metal King
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:49 pm
Posts: 1150
Location: Toronto
I just checked another review of this band, also by the same reviewer, and it appears it was originally a regular review but now it's also marked as a classic. :unsure:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:18 pm 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:15 am
Posts: 2232
Location: Flanders, Southern Netherlands
Metastable To Chaos wrote:
I just checked another review of this band, also by the same reviewer, and it appears it was originally a regular review but now it's also marked as a classic. :unsure:

Ouch, that's pretty bad for the site.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:45 pm 
Offline
Einherjar

Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am
Posts: 2250
AlexandeR wrote:
dead1 wrote:
But what did Conception do?


2 very good albums, and one masterpiece called In your Multitude


dead1 wrote:
They aren't a big name.


Well, sometimes life is unfair... they had it all. Superb musicians, great songwriting, a worldclass vocalist.
Like I've already said, I don't consider any album in the Conception catalogue a classic, but they're really good. Any fan of Power Prog should listen to them.


No reason to call it a classic.


I really love Ghoul's Maniaxe - superb Death Thrash. A classic? Only in my book. But for the wider Metal community it's a no name. Even in Death Thrash, they've not been a major influence.

Same thing for Conception. You love them, most the wider Metal community (including people who like Power Metal) have no idea who they are nor do they appear to have influenced anyone.


Hence not a classic.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:49 pm 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:05 am
Posts: 2626
Location: The Mushroom Kingdom
dead1 wrote:
AlexandeR wrote:
dead1 wrote:
But what did Conception do?


2 very good albums, and one masterpiece called In your Multitude


dead1 wrote:
They aren't a big name.


Well, sometimes life is unfair... they had it all. Superb musicians, great songwriting, a worldclass vocalist.
Like I've already said, I don't consider any album in the Conception catalogue a classic, but they're really good. Any fan of Power Prog should listen to them.


No reason to call it a classic.


I really love Ghoul's Maniaxe - superb Death Thrash. A classic? Only in my book. But for the wider Metal community it's a no name. Even in Death Thrash, they've not been a major influence.

Same thing for Conception. You love them, most the wider Metal community (including people who like Power Metal) have no idea who they are nor do they appear to have influenced anyone.


Hence not a classic.


Never said it were... :lame:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:15 am 
Offline
Einherjar

Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am
Posts: 2250
Whoops. Serves me right for not reading your whole post.

Sorry about that!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:51 am 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:05 am
Posts: 2626
Location: The Mushroom Kingdom
dead1 wrote:
Whoops. Serves me right for not reading your whole post.

Sorry about that!


NP, btw, I'm going to check the album you mentioned, sound interesting, death-thrash is cool :dio:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:29 pm 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:53 pm
Posts: 580
Location: New York
Lost gem is a good category for albums that didn't get the recognition they might have deserved as opposed to classic. Even "under the radar" might be good!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:42 pm 
Offline
Karma Whore
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:08 pm
Posts: 3246
Location: En France, mon ami !
And that would allow us to have real classics in the classics section. I like "Under the Radar" too. :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:58 am 
Offline
Einherjar

Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:49 pm
Posts: 2507
Location: Michigan
Really if we are going to have an uncontested "classic" tag that fits the criterion of everyone....and I mean the criteria that is common in everyone's definition, then the current classics section will be widdled down to maybe 6 or 7 albums. It seems like most people want their classics to be genre-defining, innovative, and influential. Almost 75% of the albums reviewed in the classics section then fail to meet those criterion.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:01 pm 
Offline
Svartalfar

Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:30 am
Posts: 47
Holy_Terror wrote:
Really if we are going to have an uncontested "classic" tag that fits the criterion of everyone....and I mean the criteria that is common in everyone's definition, then the current classics section will be widdled down to maybe 6 or 7 albums. It seems like most people want their classics to be genre-defining, innovative, and influential. Almost 75% of the albums reviewed in the classics section then fail to meet those criterion.

Sure, narrowing down precisely what makes a "classic" is pretty damn difficult. That being said, this album is NOT a classic. It doesn't meet any of the three criteria you gave above. I can't think of a single person I've ever talked to who would say that this album is a classic.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:34 am 
Offline
Ist Krieg

Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:07 am
Posts: 6519
Location: USoA
Well, I listened to this and lasted about 4 minutes...I just can't stand the sugary choruses. The music itself sounds quite compelling, not sure why the songs are so short and formulaic.

*puts on Anubis Gate*


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:30 pm 
Offline
Svartalfar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:20 pm
Posts: 10
Threads like these are exactly the reason why I usually don't respond to review reactions. Not that I have thin skin -- I certainly don't -- but I also don't write to garner a certain response from readers at large. It is literally impossible to please everyone in this business, and it would serve as nothing more than a frustration to try.

What we as reviewers write, or attempt to write, is an accurate portrayal of the album and how the musician or band comes across to the listener. When it comes to applying a score, speaking only for myself here, I try to take into account not only the immediate effect of the sound and lyrical content, but also the band's overall impact and influence on its genre or the metal industry at large. Slanting a review or its score simply out of personal preference is not only absurd, it wouldn't be tolerated by the MR staff.

A couple of perfect examples are the Rhapsody and Saxon reviews I wrote several weeks back. Rhapsody, on one hand, is unquestionably the founder of the modern symphonic speed/power metal movement as we know it today. These guys are HEADLINERS -- that is, other bands open for THEM. A great many bands today that incorporate orchestral elements on an in-depth level can attribute this to Rhapsody. What I happened to review was what most fans of the band would consider to be their best album. Take the best album from one of the biggest and most influential bands in a particular genre (and some would argue, in all of metal), and how could you not end up with a high score? Yet every reaction indicated that the score was WAY too high.

On the other hand was Saxon, which was apparently scored WAY too low. Now Saxon is a great band, but hardly a groundbreaking, chart-topping act. They have stuck with the basic sound of British heavy metal for many years, and while they produce solid albums, they are hardly of such an astounding, earth-shattering effect that they should garner an extremely high score. In particular, the album I reviewed was quite good, but not their best. How could a decent score be too low?

And so we come to the band currently under discussion -- the apparently very controversial Conception. The facts are these:

1. This band was young, very talented, mature beyond their years, and capable of nonchalantly cranking out phenomenal albums every two years like clockwork.

2. During this time period, very few acts produced music of this quality. Symphony X was barely put together, Queensryche's best years were arguably behind them, and Pagan's Mind or Seventh Wonder's members were probably still in high school. Only Dream Theater and Fates Warning were successfully defining the progressive power metal arena when Conception came along, and technically Images And Words was released AFTER the first issue of The Last Sunset. This is not a band that simply blended into a massive background.

3. Sales figures and fanbase or popularity do NOT equal influence or relevance in the world of metal. Conception's relatively minimal following cannot be considered a reflection of whether or not they were an amazing band. Therefore, the fact that some or even most readers of this particular website may not have heard of them or heard any one particular album is irrelevant with respect to this band's status or review score.

Again, to simply write a review in favor of my personal opinion or to try and cater to popular viewpoint would be a futile and childish effort. The changing of the Parallel Minds score from 90-something to CLASSIC status after the review was published was my doing, simply because I had forgotten to do so before-hand. In all honesty, the first time I heard Conception, I wasn't particularly impressed. However, after many repeated listens the level of musicianship and talent I was hearing just floored me. In my opinion as a reviewer, the final two albums of this band deserve a CLASSIC status, based solely on excellent musicians performing at an excellent level in a time when such music was rare indeed.

I am by no means a renegade, and if any MR staffer objects with how I score my reviews, of course they are welcome to change it -- this is their website. While this is, naturally, an open forum, I can only hope that a wandering passerby will read the reviews presented with a grain of salt, as I did before becoming a writer, and realize that while they are written with the very best of intentions in mind, they are not to be taken as gospel truth . . . and also realize that the comments section is simply that, rather than a negative reflection on the album being discussed.

- Erik


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2   


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group