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Communities have an amazing way of rebuilding and taking care of themselves without state assistance.

Exhibit A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abahlali_baseMjondolo
http://www.newsandletters.org/issues/20 ... Feb_11.asp

@Steve: Yeah, some people do going through liberal democracy means in order to advocate their positions, i.e., groups, lobbying, parties, etc, however, once you are disenfranchised from those methods, what can you do? The ignored have no other way to express their anger except through rage. It's what gets their situation noticed by the media. The media wasn't there two weeks ago when babies were crying because they hadn't ate that day. No, wrestling over car stereos and beating the shit out of random bystanders will not change these conditions but the rioters have been barred from normal modes of engaging in political discourse and this is what it results in.

I love it how many people justify these actions.

The looters made a choice to loot. The social welfare dependents chose to be dependent.

I grew up in some of the worst parts of Sydney and then in the worst parts of Tasmania.

I chose not to become a waste of space and went to University and got a good paying job. Other people I know did the same.

But so many chose to become dependent on government benefits and so many chose to become drug addicts or drunks and to become violent thugs.

Wanker bleeding hearts should stop crying for these people. These people need to take responsibility for their own lives.

Oh my fucking god, yes there fucking is a cause of their rage! In Tottenham, where the riots kicked off, every job offer had 50 applications. FIFTY!! For one job! Never mind that Britain is the European country with the least social mobility, and that the top 10% incomwise have a quality of life 100 times better than the rest of us. I am fucking glad the SNP are in power and that independence is coming, we need to get as far away from these cunts as we can.

Hey! Stop that, asshole! We don't use facts in this thread. They were mindless zombie brown people doing what brown people do. They need to be more like V's neighbors and get one of those jobs. Those other 49-53 people are just lazy for not getting out of the borough to get a job. Fucking lazy people who can't afford the transportation outside of the borough on a daily basis or afford the cost of living in a borough besides the one they already live in.

Pure gold.

How about some stats on this?

And it means nothing.

I used to regularly sit on job panels. We used to get 20+ applications for administrative jobs despite there being near full employment. Many of them were in jobs but looking for something better.

So a bit of context please?

The time is yours. What happens with it depends on you.


You can't fool me, I grew up in poverty, and I know the mindset and attitude of those communities.
I laugh at these bourgeoisie silver spoon wannabe socialists slinging platitudes around about things they have no firsthand experience in.

Another question for the bleeding hearts:

4 people have been killed in the rioting - 1 guy was shot in the head while 3 Asian (I assume Pakistan/Indian descent) were killed defending their property.

Is this fine with you?

This is what your little "social revolutionaries" are doing?

Since when does disgruntlement allow murder of random people?

Fine words and ones I totally agree with.

They're not revolutionaries. They're a violent mob who have issues with society but lack a proper means of expressing their complaints. I wish they had class consciousness.

No firsthand experience in it? Yeah, V, you have a monopoly on growing up poor.

Thank you, sir.
These losers are the result of an ideology that promotes dependence and victimhood. Throw in the lovely thug culture that is found in these "communities", and voila!

I remember very clearly that most people I knew growing up were interested in one thing; getting high, drunk or whatever cheap thrill the monkey house offeered at the time.

No impulse control, no self respect, certainly no respect for others, no self discipline, no sense of sacrifice or duty, no ambition beyond getting high, no parents paying any kind of attention to what their spawn are up to (indeed, the parents were by and large just larger, older versions of their children)... all this "they just want to work" shit is garbage. If they really, and I mean really wanted to do something with themselves, their is nobody stopping them.
I don't need some quasi- Marxist parrot telling me how and why things are in the "under priviliged" (haha, nice phraseology there) part of town.


The race card hasn't been played yet, but I reckon it's only a matter of time...

Never said I did, did I?
I am saying that the usual excuses are nothing more than steaming piles of manure, and I have firsthand knowledge to back that claim.

Nearly all my friends were like this. And they weren't as bad as some of the other people we knew who were truly violent thugs and scared hte hell out of me.







Australian government got a lot of my old friends jobs (and inot necessarily hard labour ones either). Most of them didn't last a week. They didn't want to work.




Agreed. I know what it's like to be dirt poor and live in bad parts of town.

It's why I worked hard and got out.





All the guys who I knew were white, though a couple claimed Aboriginal heritage (despite having pale skin, blue eyes and blond hair).

Most of them are not expressing complaints. They're exploiting an opportunity to have a bit of fun and load up on consumer goods.

You have to understand that these people take whatever opportunities come up regardless of morality or legality.

If that means looting then they're fine with it.

I am by no means a rich man, but at some point I made a decision, as you did, that I do not want this, so I left home at the tender age of 16, kicked around doing whatever jobs I could find (none were glamorous or even the slightest bit interesting and usually consisted of manual labor such as hauling lumber up around construction sites. Eventually I started roofing, which can be brutal in the summer) went to night school (after completing my GED, since I basically dropped out in the 10th grade) and got into electronics and eventually, IT.
Things are often tight, and I have had to sell a few prize possessions, but I am a firm believer in self reliance and carving out one's own destiny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VR1bOha40U !!!



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Disgusting.

So, so, so much bullshit being spoken in this thread, to the extent where I'm forced to break my silence and set you all right, as someone who actually, you know, lives in the fucking country in question. This is neither the social revolution of the poor nor some foreign violence of immigrants. This is chaos and mob rule. The one remarkable, positive outcome of all this is the natural coming together of communities, Jews and Muslims working together to protect synagogues from looters, Sikhs guarding their temples, hard-working men of every colour banding together to present a dignified, unified front to these fucking animals. Immigrants who came here decades ago and worked themselves hard as fuck since to raise an honest living have been ruined by stupid, violent mobs looking for a laugh. Shit, even London's rival football firms have made peace to defend their territory! I've never been so disgusted by what I've seen and heard, not least here in Manchester. The site of Peterloo, the location of the infamous 1819 massacre of innocent men and women gathered to plea for their basic rights, has been degraded by these scum who ransacked the shops that stand there today. Why? Not for some grand political gesture, that's for sure.

Don't let these bastards off the hook by bleating about economic conditions, Fridge's absolute bollocks about how David Cameron has robbed them of 'hopes, benefits, jobs, healthcare and academic chances' is mindboggling. Talk of the cuts is nonsense, especially considering that, say, the raise in university fees hasn't happened yet, and when it does you won't pay anything back until you earn over £21,000 a year, after the course is finished. The National Health Service is still free at the point of use, and will be even after the government has made its reforms, benefits are barely being touched, and the so-called 'draconian' cuts in government spending of the coalition will take the country back to the heyday of Labour spending - 2006 levels. ZOMG THATCHER WORKING CLASS RAGE! Do me a fucking favour. The private sector is spitting out jobs at three times the rate they're lost in the public sector, our debt is triple-A rated (unlike, you know, the world's most powerful nation, whoever that is) and the prospects would be great if our most important cities weren't being nightly routed by fucking filth. Not the poor, not the working class, not blacks, but opportunistic scum of all backgrounds, races and classes who saw an opportunity and leapt at it.

This all started because a drug dealer who may or may not have been armed was shot dead by police, but it's degraded into a riot of wanton violence like nothing that's been seen in this country for years. Even before we get to the disgraceful property damage, an elderly man has been beaten to his eventual death, three Asian lads have been deliberately run over, journalists and innocent teenagers have been attacked, people have been dragged from their cars and assaulted... Britain is burning, and every left-wing fuckwit whining about how society has to look at itself to find the cause of the riots is making excuses for unacceptable behaviour. Look at the family of Jean Charles de Menenzes, the innocent man who was murdered on the tube in 2005 in the midst of a terror alert - a thousand people marched peacefully up to Vauxhall Bridge then back again, and still haven't had justice. Mark Duggan's family have plead for peace, and been ignored by the mobs - this isn't about police brutality. This is about people thinking they can get away with breaking the law, seeing others getting free items with no or next to no penalty, and wanting the same for themselves. The rioters aren't the poor by your conventional means of poverty, they're on very generous government benefits at worst, learning where to strike next by checking on their blackberries and getting there in designer trainers, looking for a free tv or xbox. Others get away with it, why not go along and strike themselves, since the police are weak? And so off they go, and try their luck. And the police stood and watched them looting, and the political leadership of this country were caught on the hop. Nothing they could do, even as they rushed back from their holidays - the state has failed to protect peoples' lives and businesses and property as it should do at the very least.

Talk of shooting these people or running them over a la Dead1 is equally mad - the right-wing twat approach of shooting on sight is ridiculous. Steve's right, the state has to have limited powers. But when life and property are threatened, then I'd rather see the British army deployed under police command to aid and assist in nonlethal ways, than see news reports of innocent Libyan civilians dead because of their needless actions abroad. The real heroes of this are the likes of Tariq Jahan, the father of one of the murdered innocents in Birmingham last night, a noble, dignified human being who deserved far better than he got -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1VjUSKevc

Trapt, sorry, mate, but your call to 'burn it the fuck down' has me fuming. You may mean well, but let's see how you like it. Let's torch your neighbourhood, let's riot and loot in your city centres, let's beat your elderly to the point of death, let's murder your young men, and then I'd like to see you explain it away because of feelings of 'hopelessness'. There is no excuse for this sort of behaviour, and never can be. It all seems to be calming down now, thankfully, but something significant has happened, and the likes of like me who value liberty over security have had their worlds rocked. What price liberty if you can't walk down a street without being assaulted? Britain has failed to protect its own, and twisting this for political reasons is despicable, the failings are across the political spectrum. Even if the police were unaccountably brutal, even if the poor were desperate and starving - neither of which they are - killing innocents and burning charity shops is unacceptable.

Noodles, that GIF is weeks old and most likely from the Canadian riots.

Z out, for the moment.

Yup, Vancouver. Still, a good bodycheck is much appreciated with these schmucks on the streets.

Nails on the head as far as the rest of your post is concerned, Goat.

Spot on Goat.




BTW, my Syrian colleague tells me the Syrian government is showing the London riots on the news channels around the clock. As if to say 'see, other countries suppress their unruly mobs with force too'. Thank goodness the UK police isn't staffed with murderous Croatian expats.