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The Daily Mail is full of shit.

http://maptube.org/map.aspx?m=ol&s=bBHF ... 9_1514.kml

The poorer areas have the worst rioting. I realise that a lot of these people out there are scum and just out for the looting, but there's a reason and a context as to why they're rioting, and it's not "liberal faggotry" or anything like that. It's what the English do, 30 years of inequality, of hanging on in quiet desperation, and then boom, it boils over. Cameron's taken away these people's hopes, their benefits, their job opportunities, their healthcare and their academic chances. A general feeling of resentment is understandable, even if most of the rioters have no fucking clue about politics and are going about this "protesting" business entirely the wrong way.


If it has been "30 years of inequality, of hanging on in quiet desperation", how is it Camerons fault? Sorry, but that is nothing but more of the same "your side's to blame! Nuh uh, your side is!" hackery. So the government is supposed to shelter, clothe and feed everyone? And supply them with toys? Sounds like the type of relationship that exists between parents and their children.
In fact that is exactly how these idiots are behaving; like spoiled children in the midst of a temper tantrum because their parents are running short on money.

Herein lies the problem; when a culture of government dependence is created and perpetuated, it creates the mindset of entitlement, and at some point, what with continous immigration, the global economy divebombing and so forth, it is going to become untenable.

So what is to be done?
Why, burn it all down, of course... and then demand that the government rebuild it. Sounds logical to me.
It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.


Kids, pay attention; this is a living case for self sufficiency and self reliance. And why the government's role should not be all encompassing.


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This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.

Sure, but when a person's property, right to life, and working oneself through it are endangered by another person, that is when the state/order needs to intervene.



Very true, and I point I failed to consider.


I remember during the 92 LA riots, Korean store owners stood on their rooftops armed with guns.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
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This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.

Sure, but when a person's property, right to life, and working oneself through it are endangered by another person, that is when the state/order needs to intervene.



Very true, and I point I failed to consider.


I remember during the 92 LA riots, Korean store owners stood on their rooftops armed with guns.


They have every right to do so. I'd prefer homeowners, storeowners, and property owners defending a community against troublemakers as opposed to the state, and thats the broader point I hope I made. A case can be made for state intervention obviously for this case, but how often does it result that federal intervention ends up fucking up int he longrun, case in point Hurricane Katrina. While I am aware the circumstances are different, the broader implication of house searches and confiscating firearms for citizens merely defending their homes, I have videos I can provide to prove this point, shows how ineffective the government is at even this.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.

Sure, but when a person's property, right to life, and working oneself through it are endangered by another person, that is when the state/order needs to intervene.



Very true, and I point I failed to consider.


I remember during the 92 LA riots, Korean store owners stood on their rooftops armed with guns.


They have every right to do so. I'd prefer homeowners, storeowners, and property owners defending a community against troublemakers as opposed to the state, and thats the broader point I hope I made. A case can be made for state intervention obviously for this case, but how often does it result that federal intervention ends up fucking up int he longrun, case in point Hurricane Katrina. While I am aware the circumstances are different, the broader implication of house searches and confiscating firearms for citizens merely defending their homes, I have videos I can provide to prove this point, shows how ineffective the government is at even this.


I agree with this.
To kind of expand a little on police (at times) ineptitude, there are numerous cases of wrongful shootings / deaths by the police when they perform a "hard knock" on the wrong house. Usually looking for weed. Another useless government policy: the "war on drugs".
In general I am not a fan of law enforcement and it's statist tactics. But in cases like this (riots, looting), well, it can't just be allowed to continue unabated.


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There are lots of examples, but here is one where you can actually see the cops break in under orders of Ray Nagin and the local government. This is obviously in complete defiance of unwarranted searches and seizures as well as the 2nd amendment.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfp7qBAgGM&feature=related

There are lots of examples, but here is one where you can actually see the cops break in under orders of Ray Nagin and the local government. This is obviously in complete defiance of unwarranted searches and seizures as well as the 2nd amendment.


Those robotic pieces of shit are violating their oath of upholding and protecting the Constitution.


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Have you guys seen the Britain Turks defending their neighborhood while everyone else ran screaming? Fucking epic shit right there. A good example of how not all minorities aren't out to destroy your way of life, in fact loves it and shows more balls defending it than the majority of the natives.


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Everything has been taken from them (in the name of financial capital) and they suffer daily the indignity of seeing others 'have' while they 'have not,' being doomed to a life of crime and disease. British civil society (i.e. those who can afford, sort of, to continue to [borrow to] consume throughout the crisis, including most of the liberal-capitalist class), which is racist to the core, blames these youths for looting and claims the issue is directionless and the motivations non-socioeconomic: this is BS -- it IS political precisely because their anger is the anger of being ignored,the uncounted and the dispossessed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ndon-riots

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Everything has been taken from them (in the name of financial capital) and they suffer daily the indignity of seeing others 'have' while they 'have not,' being doomed to a life of crime and disease. British civil society (i.e. those who can afford, sort of, to continue to [borrow to] consume throughout the crisis, including most of the liberal-capitalist class), which is racist to the core, blames these youths for looting and claims the issue is directionless and the motivations non-socioeconomic: this is BS -- it IS political precisely because their anger is the anger of being ignored,the uncounted and the dispossessed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ndon-riots


Man....If there was ever an occasion to enter into a Marxist diatribe, you went right for the opening didn't you? Their anger is justified in your quasi-psychological analysis (Thanks Freud), yet they resort to the most base of human behavior, theft? I guess when I'm mistreated due to the man keeping me down, I'll go hold up my local Circle K because I'm downtrodden. I don't know if you see the problem with this logic, but these are literally thousands of people with varying socioeconomic states, storming the streets, robbing innocent people, just to get free shit and maybe just for amusement.

I don't know maybe if they wanted to better themselves there is something called you know a "job".


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I swear to god you have those lame sermons written on your palm or something, either that or you are trolling me hard.


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Everything has been taken from them (in the name of financial capital) and they suffer daily the indignity of seeing others 'have' while they 'have not,' being doomed to a life of crime and disease. British civil society (i.e. those who can afford, sort of, to continue to [borrow to] consume throughout the crisis, including most of the liberal-capitalist class), which is racist to the core, blames these youths for looting and claims the issue is directionless and the motivations non-socioeconomic: this is BS -- it IS political precisely because their anger is the anger of being ignored,the uncounted and the dispossessed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ndon-riots


Man....If there was ever an occasion to enter into a Marxist diatribe, you went right for the opening didn't you? Their anger is justified in your quasi-psychological analysis (Thanks Freud), yet they resort to the most base of human behavior, theft? I guess when I'm mistreated due to the man keeping me down, I'll go hold up my local Circle K because I'm downtrodden. I don't know if you see the problem with this logic, but these are literally thousands of people with varying socioeconomic states, storming the streets, robbing innocent people, just to get free shit and maybe just for amusement.

I don't know maybe if they wanted to better themselves there is something called you know a "job".
Their rage is misdirected. It's brutish, nasty and futile. It's awful what they are doing but the question is why are they doing it. They're pissed off that they've been fucked and they're lashing out.

A job? In a country which has shipped all of its industry to foreign markets and is cutting the public sector funding for many jobs? Correct me if I'm wrong, England-ers, but like Frig said, has this not been boiling since Thatcher's cuts and has only been exacerbated by Cameron's?

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:lol:
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I swear to god you have those lame sermons written on your palm or something, either that or you are trolling me hard.
A little of both :wink: But I believe everything that I wrote, I just know it falls on deaf ears which would make it trolling.

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:lol:
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I swear to god you have those lame sermons written on your palm or something, either that or you are trolling me hard.
A little of both :wink: But I believe everything that I wrote, I just know it falls on deaf ears which would make it trolling.


Its ok you'll realize you were wrong sooner or later.


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Everything has been taken from them (in the name of financial capital) and they suffer daily the indignity of seeing others 'have' while they 'have not,' being doomed to a life of crime and disease. British civil society (i.e. those who can afford, sort of, to continue to [borrow to] consume throughout the crisis, including most of the liberal-capitalist class), which is racist to the core, blames these youths for looting and claims the issue is directionless and the motivations non-socioeconomic: this is BS -- it IS political precisely because their anger is the anger of being ignored,the uncounted and the dispossessed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ndon-riots


Man....If there was ever an occasion to enter into a Marxist diatribe, you went right for the opening didn't you? Their anger is justified in your quasi-psychological analysis (Thanks Freud), yet they resort to the most base of human behavior, theft? I guess when I'm mistreated due to the man keeping me down, I'll go hold up my local Circle K because I'm downtrodden. I don't know if you see the problem with this logic, but these are literally thousands of people with varying socioeconomic states, storming the streets, robbing innocent people, just to get free shit and maybe just for amusement.

I don't know maybe if they wanted to better themselves there is something called you know a "job".



Funny thing is, there is a family down the street that, although they both have professional jobs, times are tight and they are still struggling. Two kids and all that.
What did they do to bring in more money? Well, they did not resort to crime, they took a paper route a 4:00 A.M. before going to work.
Difference in mentality and work ethic is all it is.

Anybody that relies on the state as a way of life is nothing more than a shameless parasite.


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Read the Nina Power article, for serious, though! As for jobs, she claims there is "one vacancy for every 54 seeking work in the borough"of Haringey which includes Tottenham, the sight of the shooting. A paper route would be one of those 54 positions. What would you say to the 53 other people who didn't get that paper route job? Don't use anecdotal evidence as an example of the fact that those people didn't try to find a job and are savages for not doing so. When they try, they find nothing. Western states, in order to protect capital, protect property rights which are being threatened right now, must create jobs to replace the industry jobs which capital has sent to other places. You cut the security net which keeps capital afloat, i.e., all those "leftist" policies, you're going to get raging people.

I say bring it on. Burn it the fuck down and start over at the community level. Organization from the bottom up.

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Security net my ass... it's more like a hammock to way too many people.

Yeah, burn it down... but who will rebuild it, I wonder?

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Everything has been taken from them (in the name of financial capital) and they suffer daily the indignity of seeing others 'have' while they 'have not,' being doomed to a life of crime and disease. British civil society (i.e. those who can afford, sort of, to continue to [borrow to] consume throughout the crisis, including most of the liberal-capitalist class), which is racist to the core, blames these youths for looting and claims the issue is directionless and the motivations non-socioeconomic: this is BS -- it IS political precisely because their anger is the anger of being ignored,the uncounted and the dispossessed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ndon-riots


Man....If there was ever an occasion to enter into a Marxist diatribe, you went right for the opening didn't you? Their anger is justified in your quasi-psychological analysis (Thanks Freud), yet they resort to the most base of human behavior, theft? I guess when I'm mistreated due to the man keeping me down, I'll go hold up my local Circle K because I'm downtrodden. I don't know if you see the problem with this logic, but these are literally thousands of people with varying socioeconomic states, storming the streets, robbing innocent people, just to get free shit and maybe just for amusement.

I don't know maybe if they wanted to better themselves there is something called you know a "job".
Their rage is misdirected. It's brutish, nasty and futile. It's awful what they are doing but the question is why are they doing it. They're pissed off that they've been fucked and they're lashing out.

A job? In a country which has shipped all of its industry to foreign markets and is cutting the public sector funding for many jobs? Correct me if I'm wrong, England-ers, but like Frig said, has this not been boiling since Thatcher's cuts and has only been exacerbated by Cameron's?


When individuals are at odds with their social standing, they will usually form groups, lobby, or do their best to change the situation through more productive means. They don't smash a designer store to steal pricey clothes, nor do they hide behind a victims mentality.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=12

Their stats aren't terribly different from our own, other than obviously low employment, and if you look to the graph on the right the trend toward hiring. I don't think there is truly a point going on about this as this isn't our countries economy here, but overall the sense of entitlement these Britons have, is not all that different from the unskilled/lower economic standing Americans here in the US- they wont work the available jobs, simple as that. You can blame outsourcing all you want, while this is an issue it obviously don't contribute in massive numbers sector to sector.


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So, Trapt, in what way will the Marxist principle of redistribution of Pioneer cd players among the proletariat be of any use in lifting these people from their squalid state-subsidised existence?


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