Metal Reviews

Let's test that.

I'm buying a Nihil shirt, because nearly every Impaled Nazarene shirt is blatantly offensive to someone, and going down to Hollywood for some kind of week long vacation.

What would shock people more?
Bondage cover on the front or "Smoke Crack and Worship Satan" on the back?

And how would they react? To that?
Would they allow me to exercise my right of free speech?
Or would they give me the eye or walk up to me and say something?

But what I choose to wear is my right, correct?
If it is okay to embody negative stereotypes because it empowers a group, therefore it is okay for me to walk around "offending" people in some manner because it empowers my group by getting out the message that I listen to metal and will not have any of what you think and I will worship Satan and abuse various substances.
I also am empowering the BDSM community because here I am, being proud because of the lovely image on the front of my shirt.

Okay so maybe this has gotten out of hand compared to the original conversation, but what I mean is that if one group can empower themselves through embracing something that society sees negative and people let it happen, that must mean everyone else can do it in some way. Is that not equal?

That's all pretty and everything, but that quasi-elegant attempt to defend their overall lack of presentation is something ill-advised in the clamor for "equal rights". Is it their right collectively- I do not believe anyone is challenging this, does it ruin their message when they're cavorting around like Fridge at one of his male S & M Male bonding parties with his "chaps", yes.

I honestly question the reading comprehension skills found here at times... of, course as you just pointed out, nobody is saying that any particular behavior, mode of expression, etc. should be prohibited, just that portraying one's self in any given manner may be met with derision and that if it is, it is your own responsibility to deal with those consequences.

For every action, there is a reaction; if somebody wants to be provocative, then they shouldn't whimper and whine when they get some negative attention.

That post was addressed to Whim and his Impaled Nazarene shirt, sir.

I was also basically addressing whim, by agreeing with your post.

Ah, I see what happened... you didn't catch my pronoun modification edit before quoting it.

So, in conclusion, it is better off to not push any radical belief in public society and leave it all "underground" or private?

We really don't need to push our orientations or hobbies on the public because no matter what we are trying to prove it doesn't make us any more equal compared to others?

Why do you feel the need to push anything on anybody?
Do you like it when religious people try and push their agenda on you?


Of course, you are free to do so, but don't whine about the consequences. If I walk into Compton with a I<3 the KKK shirt on, and I get my head smashed, well, gee, it's my own damned fault, now isn't it?
I feel like I am repeating myself over and over here... what is so difficult in accepting the basic premise that the way one wishes to convey themselves to the general public is a choice and when that choice is made with the intent to provoke a reaction, it will garner some negative responses?

If somebody acts and dresses like a complete fool, than it is his fault and his alone if he is treated as such.

I don't feel the need to push anything.

I was just posing a fictional situation and wondering how people would respond it it. Where I live there is always someone out there doing something in order to say "I'm here, fuck off if you don't like me."
Whether that is pushing your orientation or special hobby depends on who's viewing it, but it basically seems more like it depends on what kind of message they're sending.

I think this is right in general, but in the case of Pride parades it's a little more complicated because homosexuals, bisexuals and transgendered people get reactions when they aren't trying to be provocative, and I think being provocative at a Pride parade is a reaction to that. I might be wrong though.

Sure there are always going to be those that just don't like any given group of people, for whatever reasons, but I think by and large, as long as it is not played up, most people (at least in my experience) don't really trip too hard on it. It's when the mincing, swishing, and general camping it up comes into play that people tend to become put off.


This is probably a topic more suitable for the politics thread, though.

Ah I see why the political thread is quiet,you guys created a sequel.

By the way we need more heterosexual pride parades. God bless America if that happened.

I was at a pub this one time, and there was a group of about 12 gays celebrating a birthday or something. They were clearly drunk, and were getting a little flamboyant. Some trigger song came on, and they all decided to get out on the dance floor and really go to town. Flirting, arm waving, touching, come hither looks, etc .. one suddenly looked at me as he was drunkenly catching his balance, entwined with his partner after a particularly energetic dance move with what only could be described as a look of bliss mixed with the titillation you get from being the centre of attention. Whatever it was, I felt a mixture of revulsion and pity previously unbeknownst.

The reaction of the vast majority of the people in the bar was "freak" (you could see it clearly in their faces) and that was the prevalent thought in my mind (other than 'and that's why they have gay bars folks'). It wasn't a choice that I felt that way, it was an automatic reaction. It was ingrained. I did learn something about human nature that day.

I could see by the joy on their faces that it was liberating for them to behave that way in a public place, but it is a double edged sword.

So in response to Gandalf, I would say .. some people will never totally accept gays, get over it. And by totally accept, I don't mean in every day life, where I have absolutely no issues and even call some gays my friends. But I and most other people have a line which we have no control over. It was almost liberating to know that.

Eh you're French who gives a fuck what you think.

Hey, you're american, everybody hates you and wanna rob you.

Is he really American? His English is shit, I was convinced he was from some backwards Asian shithole.

At least we got Olivia Wilde

And you're a fucking moron which makes us even.