Morbid Angel - Illud Divinum Insanus (#7178)

SinSynn · **Joined:** Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:12 pm **Posts:** 27

AlexandeR wrote:

Turbo is indeed a sucky album, and I'm a big JP fan.

I was just a young, impressionable, somewhate naive Metalhead when Turbo released......
That record broke my wittle heart.
By the time St. Anger released, I no longer even cared about Metallica (they lost me at Master of Puppets, but I liked some songs from 'and Justice for All'), and had kinda grown to accept that bands were just gonna do this to me....usually around albums 3 to 5.
Not a lot of Metal acts get beyond 5 records and still have me really caring, sadly. Is it something about being 'young & hungry'? Or is it that bands usually have a couple records worth of finely-tuned, audience tested material when they get signed?
*sigh* I dunno....

I'll be honest- I had KINDA had a little burning ember of hope that the new Morbid Angel album would be akin to Judas Priest's 'Painkiller'- something fresh, and a kick to the head.

I was REALLY happy when Painkiller released :dio:

Enjoying the comments on this thread, fellas....
I'll go back to my corner now :ph34r:

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:27 pm

SinSynn wrote:

kinda grown to accept that bands were just gonna do this to me....usually around albums 3 to 5.

That's sad but true. Probably 90% of the bands have this syndrome. Hibria, Evergrey, Dream Theater, Kreator, Metallica, Megadeth, Dark Tranquililty, In Flames, Iced Earth, Edguy, Morbid Angel, Testament (well, they only did one good album), Overkill (great return with Ironbound), etc, etc.

On the good side, I can only think of Death, Iron Maiden and Deathspell Omega.

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:44 pm

SinSynn wrote:

I was REALLY happy when Painkiller released :dio:

We were really happy when Ram It Down was released, actually. It might not have been a great album but it was a return to the trademark JP sound which was a relief.

AlexandeR wrote:

On the good side, I can only think of Death, Iron Maiden and Deathspell Omega.

I disagree with Iron Maiden.
Virtual XI is a really awful album.

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:56 pm

The Annoying Frenchman wrote:

SinSynn wrote:

I was REALLY happy when Painkiller released :dio:

We were really happy when Ram It Down was released, actually. It might not have been a great album but it was a return to the trademark JP sound which was a relief.

AlexandeR wrote:

On the good side, I can only think of Death, Iron Maiden and Deathspell Omega.

I disagree with Iron Maiden.
Virtual XI is a really awful album.

But that was album number 11! Most bands get shit after album 3. Iron Maiden made 7 awesome albums in a row.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:11 pm

Jake wrote:

I think this has to do with different definitions of what a "band" is--namely, a fan's definition and a band member's definition. if you're in Morbid Angel, the phrase "Morbid Angel album" probably just means "album my band made" in your head. But to a fan, "Morbid Angel" doesn't really refer to four dudes; it refers to their body of work, to its aesthetic and its essence. You might respect and admire Trey Azagthoth, but when you buy a "Morbid Angel album," it's not because he's such an awesome dude that you're willing to pay for whatever he just made. You're paying for your version of "Morbid Angel." That doesn't mean it should sound exactly like what already exists; it just means it should feel like it's part of the same progression/series/aesthetic/idea/however you want to put it. It's kind of pompous to think that fans of your work should be such huge fans of YOU YOURSELF that you can sell them whatever you feel like selling them. Sure, an artist should be and is free to be true to his art and make what he wants to make, or what comes to him; but if you're gonna make X because you've been making Y for years and you want to try something new, you can't just call it Y , sell it to Y's fans and tell them they're being unfair if they don't like it. This is why side projects exist.

I think you're making a really good point here but I don't know if I agree with you. When I look for a Morbid Angel, I could look for simply "death metal" as a generic label which MA fits in their earlier albums. However, when you are buying a band's album, you are buying those individuals' work as artists. You are buying their efforts, not as representatives for a broad genre but creators of what they want to do. You're purchasing based on past efforts, however what they are doing now shouldn't have to be reduced to a consumable package. You should like the band for what creativity they are able to demonstrate rather than if they meet these five criterion of what it takes to be what you expect of them.

OldSchool · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:28 pm

The Annoying Frenchman wrote:

Judas Priest was a landmark of suckiness when it came out. Far worse albums have been released by major metal bands since.

I imagine you meant Turbo instead of JP.

In all fairness, I was too young to listen to metal back in 86 (and also living in a dictatorship where this kind of music was not tolerated - too rebellious perhaps) so I didn't catch its impact. Retrospectively, it certainly doesn't seem quite that bad, especially when you compare it to bad albums from other big acts, like you say. And speaking of Priest, I actually think they had a bigger letdown years before, in Point Of Entry. I rate that below Turbo.

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:31 pm

You have to remember JP had even recorded sessions with the infamous Stock/Aitken & Waterman (Kylie Minogue, Rick Astley and all that crap). Thankfully, those sessions have never seen the light of day but the rumour was already spreading when the album came out. And what did we get? A pop metal album! Shame on them.
Still, Turbo Lover is a nice song but so was Frantic.

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:32 pm

Where are you from? Dictatorship, in the south, in the 80's... somewhere in south América?

Point of Entry > Turbo

SinSynn · **Joined:** Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:12 pm **Posts:** 27

AlexandeR wrote:

SinSynn wrote:

kinda grown to accept that bands were just gonna do this to me....usually around albums 3 to 5.

That's sad but true. Probably 90% of the bands have this syndrome. Hibria, Evergrey, Dream Theater, Kreator, Metallica, Megadeth, Dark Tranquililty, In Flames, Iced Earth, Edguy, Morbid Angel, Testament (well, they only did one good album), Overkill (great return with Ironbound), etc, etc.

On the good side, I can only think of Death, Iron Maiden and Deathspell Omega.

Right off the top of my head, I'd say that Dimmu, Tool, CoF and a bunch of others actually got BETTER a few albums in and released classic albums much later in their careers....but they, too, trailed off eventually.
(Death Cult Armageddon, Aenima and Damnation and a Day, respectively)

Ozzy is God to me, so I won't speak of him here- no matter what he does...he's God to me.

My fave artist that never really changes? Joan Jett.
Damn I love her so much :wub:

I know it can never be....
And yes....I fistbang when I listen to her.

Strangely enough, I was on the floor at Madison Square Garden for AC/DC, and it was the loudest show I was EVER at. Ever.
My ears rang for 3 days....it was awesome... :dio:

EDIT- wait....was the 'fistbang' to Joan Jett comment...somehow inappropriate :blink:

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:42 pm

Joan Jett

Although her earlier material is good :dio:

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:03 pm

So 3 listenable songs out of a largely nu-metal/industrial album makes it worth a 89%? Whatever works, thus far if it's not Rob Zombie or Marilyn Manson worship such as "Radikult", then it's generic dm with horrible vocals. The score really needs to reflect the absolute horror that this album is

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:12 pm

The score should really reflect the author's opinion of the album.
Since I think it does, mission accomplished.

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:22 pm

The Annoying Frenchman wrote:

The score should really reflect the author's opinion of the album.
Since I think it does, mission accomplished.

Yes, now we know he's not a good DM reviewer.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:29 pm

Steve, where's the Nu Metal on this album?

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:34 pm

Goat wrote:

Steve, where's the Nu Metal on this album?

My assessment of the album thus far have been the slower non-Covenant era knockoff riffs are largely reminiscent of Rob Zombie/Marilyn Manson style riffs such as "Destructos vs. The Earth" and the abomination "Radikult". You know the watered-down riffing where the guitar doesn't sound like it's doing more than humming. I don't consider the album death metal by their past standards, the only death metal songs being "Blades of Baal" and "Nevermore". With "Existo vulgore" taking a more groove metal approach, and the rest being a jumbled mallcore failure with obvious flirtations to nu-metal and industrial.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:35 pm

stevelovesmoonspell wrote:

Goat wrote:

Steve, where's the Nu Metal on this album?

My assessment of the album thus far have been the slower non-Covenant era knockoff riffs are largely reminiscent of Rob Zombie/Marilyn Manson style riffs such as "Destructos vs. The Earth" and the abomination "Radikult". You know the watered-down riffing where the guitar doesn't sound like it's doing more than humming. I don't consider the album death metal by their past standards, the only death metal songs being "Blades of Baal" and "Nevermore". With "Existo vulgore" taking a more groove metal approach, and the rest being a jumbled mallcore failure with obvious flirtations to nu-metal and industrial.

Industrial =! Nu Metal. Rather insulting that you lump them in together, I should review some old Godflesh to remind people why Industrial is awesome.

mattlar · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:04 am **Posts:** 2

yeah, the cries of nu-metal are absolutely hilarious to me. Just because a song has groove doesn't make it nu-metal. Remember "where the slime live"? The tracks with groove are still more complex than that and are absolutely nothing like nu-metal in sound or composition. At least the lyrics complaint or failed genre mash-up complaints make sense...

The Annoying Frenchman · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:38 pm

Goat wrote:

I should review some old Godflesh to remind people why Industrial is awesome.

Swans, Young Gods, Killing Joke or Foetus will do too.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:39 pm

The Annoying Frenchman wrote:

Goat wrote:

I should review some old Godflesh to remind people why Industrial is awesome.

Swans, Young Gods, Killing Joke or Foetus will do too.

Reviewed Filth and My Father... from Swans, but should do more KJ and some Young Gods, indeed.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:02 pm

'Profundis - Mea Culpa' would have made a more suitable album title, as this really, really sucks ass.

I mean I wasn't expecting much after Heretic (and the passage of 8 fucking years), but this is a joke.

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