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Personally, I'm at the stage where my enjoyment of the music is the only thing that I take into account.
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the classics are still better in my view because they've stood the test of time


That's something other than enjoyment of the music!!!


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Personally, I'm at the stage where my enjoyment of the music is the only thing that I take into account.
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the classics are still better in my view because they've stood the test of time


That's something other than enjoyment of the music!!!


Except I enjoy said classics and was making a separate point in that bit.


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Oh I thought you meant that enjoyment is the only thing you take into account when assessing something's betterness.


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Oh I thought you meant that enjoyment is the only thing you take into account when assessing something's betterness.


Ah! It is. Obviously if something crap came out in 1975 (Rush - Caress Of Steel, let's say) and it was up against something great released this year (Hell - Human Remains, let's say) the newer thing wins because I enjoy it more. I was making a general point based on how awesome Pink Floyd are more than anything. If I was alive since then, I'd have enjoyed it since then, and that amalgamated enjoyment is what matters rather than the passage of time itself, is what I was trying to say.


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Yes. After spending years learning Production, Audio Engineering, Songwriting, music theory, playing guitar, singing and as a result essentially dissecting every piece of music I hear, Yes, I can no longer be a passive listener to music. Stop crying and bitching that that somehow reflects poorly on you. You are making that inference to yourself because I never said anything of the sort.

My music tastes do not scream of elitism in the slightest. I listen to bad mainstream pop/rock from the 80's and 90's and cheese metal. I guess all the music snobs are listening to Michael Bolton and Go West these days.

I don't think like a fan anymore, I think like a musician and a producer that has completely different way of looking at music's worth. Some guitarists for example put a huge premium on feeling and will dismiss anything that approaches the soulless fluff I listen to. I don't feel threatened by that because I have different concerns entirely.

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I don't think anyone is crying or bitching in this thread apart from you, Addy.


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:lol: at "the future" of music, as if he has the uncanny ability to prophesy what lies ahead.

And :lol: :lol: at addy's pretentiousness run amok.


Don't get mad because you're stuck in 94 black metal land my man.

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Really...future of music is always better? Where did you pick up that logic? Or is it based solely on your own tastes...which you're using as a measurement of what is being "too nostalgic" and what is "better" and "keeping one's ears open."


Where did you pick up your logic? Of course it's based on my tastes and it's my opinion. I imagine everyone in here is sharing their opinion?


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I don't think anyone is crying or bitching in this thread apart from you, Addy.


The original subject was addressed and people got offended as usual when I claim that I know too much about songwriting to listen to music where songwriting isn't the main priority. They get offended because they feel like I am saying that only an uneducated mark that is too ignorant to know better would tolerate it, which isn't true. I think John Parr is a much more interesting guitarist than Dave Mustaine, which most other guitarists would find laughable even comparing the two because they are biased towards technicality and I am biased towards songwriting and production. They want to play faster and more precisely and I want to write a bigger hook.

I don't understand why no one took the inverse position that I don't have high enough musical standards all things considered. Power Metal bands write notoriously oversimplified compositions where your average Hard Rock band could make a strong argument that their limited knowledge of chords, phrasing and texture makes them amatuerish. It's all relative though, isn't it. I just love the irony that the argument for simplicity is elitist because I said it.

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No one's "offended"... but your pomposity is seemingly boundless.

I, for one, am not impressed.


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Adverser your way of listening to music sounds like no fun at all and I feel sorry for you.


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Adverser your way of listening to music sounds like no fun at all and I feel sorry for you.


On the other hand, people that don't have the simple ability to hear the tonality of music really aren't experiencing music at all in my opinion. This is a skill that takes training so it's no wonder people don't bother. Every note sounds like an emotional feeling to me that combined with the other notes of a scale create a sincerely emotional experience.

I am surprisingly easy to please, it's just there are too many non-musicians making records. If an artist can't tell me how a note progression makes them feel and how it should make me feel, then they are not making music, but are throwing together a collage of things they sound cool together which incidentally either will bore the hell out of or completely irritate a trained ear.

Bands that completely disregard tonality are not musicians at all in my book and there are too many of them.

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cry of the banshee wrote:
No one's "offended"... but your pomposity is seemingly boundless.

I, for one, am not impressed.


If you were a freak that could do what is widely regarded as impossible, you'd have quite an ego about it as well. I have super hearing according to the Navy, most people can hear a sound at 25db. I can hear it at one decibel through headphones (because 1db can't really travel more than a few inches) I bet you can't hear your fridge's motor running 100 feet away and through two walls.

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cry of the banshee wrote:
No one's "offended"... but your pomposity is seemingly boundless.

I, for one, am not impressed.


If you were a freak that could do what is widely regarded as impossible, you'd have quite an ego about it as well. I have super hearing according to the Navy, most people can hear a sound at 25db. I can hear it at one decibel through headphones (because 1db can't really travel more than a few inches) I bet you can't hear your fridge's motor running 100 feet away and through two walls.

I'd be impressed if I could actually give a rodent's posterior about it.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
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cry of the banshee wrote:
No one's "offended"... but your pomposity is seemingly boundless.

I, for one, am not impressed.


If you were a freak that could do what is widely regarded as impossible, you'd have quite an ego about it as well. I have super hearing according to the Navy, most people can hear a sound at 25db. I can hear it at one decibel through headphones (because 1db can't really travel more than a few inches) I bet you can't hear your fridge's motor running 100 feet away and through two walls.

I'd be impressed if I could actually give a rodent's posterior about it.


You'd care if you literally couldn't stop hearing everything around you no matter how faint or far away it is and it affected your coordination, speech, taste, smell, feel and everything else. Also, I can't generally feel bass frequencies unmedicated. It feels like I hooked up a subwoofer since.

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M-hm, ya, I guess an online discussion board would be a prime place to look for some attention.


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Adveser, someone that constantly brags about himself is someone very insecure and someone that needs recognition all the time like a little school girl. Do you have to let everyone know in every thread that is made, how you are a master at this and that. I've hung out with some great musicians in my lifetime and no one, and I mean no one, is so arrogant as you are! Get a grip, man! Listening to music professionally and not for the sake of its enjoyment is something people do for themselves but it really isn't something that should be mentioned so much because no one really gives two shits about it. Arguing so much in these forums makes me wonder how you are outside, in the real-life social situations--Being humble and grounded is the pinnacle of a great artist... Don't you know anything?

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Apparently, you haven't read anything I've written. People respect me in the real world because they get to see the results first hand. I've had a couple wanna be "sound guys" get pissed off at me because they resented that they were shuffled off to the side, one guy even went so far as to sabotage me by setting up the equipment before I could get to the gig and he even put the mixer next to his Bass rig, despite it not being his stuff and that I was invited because I am the expert and was expected to mix the sound. He was a band member though and my friend apologized profusely and said that he didn't want to have the guy walk out right before a gig.

The more you guys talk shit, the harder it is going to be to accept that you are flat out wrong and I wouldn't even expect half of you to admit that I can sing when inevitably my demo reel gets finished this week or next and I post it somewhere.

I don't really give a shit at the end of the day. It is obviously going to be taken with grain of salt when someone claims to have more vocal range than virtually anyone outside of Mr. Peter Cetera, who also claims 5 octaves and routinely claims to have no difficulty singing expert level material.

I act however the company dictates, a bunch of shit talkers are going to have me arrogantly shove it in their face every single time hoping they talk even more shit. I've known some extremely good musicians and together there is no ego because we both too busy congratulating each other.

If there is nothing to compliment, how am I fishing for compliments? I've recorded some awful sounding stuff in the past because of my former coordination problems. Believe me, at times I thought I was kidding myself and should just stop. Hopefully my personal problems will remain under control and if so, there is no reason I can't do whatever I want.

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