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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:04 am 
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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Are you denying the fact that anyone (that includes you and me) can sometimes be a pompous ass and that age (he was quite you if your remember well) doesn't help?


Not directed specifically at me, but god yes I've been an ass on this forum before. I'd like to think a few years have done Misha well, as I hope they've worked for me.


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the pretension of Misha.

Care to explain?


You got it Stefan.


"The nice change of pace thread" from 2006 on the Metalreviews.com forum


http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5887

The meaty part begins at the bottom of page 1 when I thank Misha for the Solstafir review (turns out it was your recommendation, Stefan, thanks again). He claims I never would have checked it had he 'properly labelled it as hardcore', which you noted it was not hardcore. His quote from page 2, where he is referring to me:
"You forgot he's not interested, only if I give it a metallish label. Sólstafir actually describe themselves as hardcore, with a reason. If I would have labeled it that, the poor guy would have overlooked it like my other reviewed albums. I needed to start lightly on the readers here, for them to remain insterested, that's why I mislabeled some bands' genres."

Funny looking back, and definitely an example of Misha's pretension.

Ok. But I think posting it out of context wasn't the fairest thing to do. Trust me, I knew Misha quite well back then and he was evolving so fast some "technical terms" were eluding him, he was not the pretentious ass you seem to recall. Imho, what he meant with "hardcore" was there was a strong post-hardcore influence in Solstafir's music which was actually right.
Anyway, as you pointed out, it was me who recommended Solstafir - a truly brilliant band - which proves to Herr Valefor (whatever is name is lately) that I have not given up on metal altogether. I'm just a lot more choosey than I used to be.


How exactly am I posting out of context? I was aiming to thank him and you for recommending and reviewing a good record. His response was to talk to down to me like I was some sort of cro-magnon man.

I remember some people rejecting anything that wasn't "proper metal music", that's probably why Misha - who, I repeat it, was not as you perceived him - was a little annoyed. Maybe he was wrong but it was not pretention or anything just a young man falling in love with many new musics and not understanding why other forumites were not as open-minded and enthusiastic about as he was.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
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the pretension of Misha.

Care to explain?


You got it Stefan.


"The nice change of pace thread" from 2006 on the Metalreviews.com forum


http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5887

The meaty part begins at the bottom of page 1 when I thank Misha for the Solstafir review (turns out it was your recommendation, Stefan, thanks again). He claims I never would have checked it had he 'properly labelled it as hardcore', which you noted it was not hardcore. His quote from page 2, where he is referring to me:
"You forgot he's not interested, only if I give it a metallish label. Sólstafir actually describe themselves as hardcore, with a reason. If I would have labeled it that, the poor guy would have overlooked it like my other reviewed albums. I needed to start lightly on the readers here, for them to remain insterested, that's why I mislabeled some bands' genres."

Funny looking back, and definitely an example of Misha's pretension.

Ok. But I think posting it out of context wasn't the fairest thing to do. Trust me, I knew Misha quite well back then and he was evolving so fast some "technical terms" were eluding him, he was not the pretentious ass you seem to recall. Imho, what he meant with "hardcore" was there was a strong post-hardcore influence in Solstafir's music which was actually right.
Anyway, as you pointed out, it was me who recommended Solstafir - a truly brilliant band - which proves to Herr Valefor (whatever is name is lately) that I have not given up on metal altogether. I'm just a lot more choosey than I used to be.


How exactly am I posting out of context? I was aiming to thank him and you for recommending and reviewing a good record. His response was to talk to down to me like I was some sort of cro-magnon man.

I remember some people rejecting anything that wasn't "proper metal music", that's probably why Misha - who, I repeat it, was not as you perceived him - was a little annoyed. Maybe he was wrong but it was not pretention or anything just a young man falling in love with many new musics and not understanding why other forumites were not as open-minded and enthusiastic about as he was.

What a shocker that is... people that come to a website called "metalreviews" being solely interested in metal reviews.
:lol:
Sadly, there are people out there that feel the need to parade their musical tastes as a banner of "intelligence" or as a one-up-manship thing, as in "I know more bands and have delved deeper into the subterranean world of music than anyone else" and "you listen to garbage while I, on the other hand, listen to real music". In fact I believe he even created a thread titled "real music".

Just the fact that he felt that being insulting towards another poster for not sharing his appteite for pseudo-jazz-avant-garde-post-this-or-post-that-whatever was justified really says it all.
Both condescending and pretentious, as if we are all a bunch of unwashed knuckle-draggers.
Well, fuck that action.

He was "annoyed", was he?
Fuck him.


If I want to read about that crap, I'll go somewhere other than a METAL reviews website, and I certainly would expect that if I showed no interest whatsoever in whatever the hell musical style du jour he was imploring on us was, that I wouldn't be condescended to as being 'close minded" and whatnot.


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Beware people! The Great Valefor has edicted that it was now forbidden to speak about anything else than metal because "this is metal fucking reviews"! :wink:
Seriously, you people take these things way too seriously...


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When I think about it, there's really only two types of metal I like:

Metal written in the pop tradition of simple melodies, driving rhythm and concise songwriting.

Metal written in the Bel Canto tradition of overblown dramatic arrangements, Operatic coloratural vocals, adventurous instrumentation and a virtuosic command of tonal mood.


I listen to stuff at both extreme ends of that and anything that combines it. An extremely good band I hold in high esteem like Boston combined the elements of both in a perfect way.

I think it should be noted that the subgenres are particularly drawn to certain tones and moods. I think the problem I have with a lot of bands is that they use very typical scales and use the most obvious emotion of it...for years on end.

Examples:

Playing fast with a carefree tonality and adding rebellious lyrics. In the late 80's this shifted to more partying centered lyrics.

Playing a slow sad key and telling a tale of heartbreak.

Playing slightly slower than mid-paced with morose lyrics and downtuned by a half step instruments.


METAL will die if this crap continues. I really have no problem with any of the above, but it is obvious that a lot of musicians have no idea how to create a mood or evoke emotions musically because they use the most stale examples of pre-written templates for songs. Then there are a lot of bands that don't even have a sense of music, where the music "sounded cool" and the "lyrics worked."

Look at the amazing "The Dungeons are Calling" that song started off with somber reflection, with an almost scoffing attitude and descended into frustration and rage. Both the lyrics, Jon's vocal performance and the Guitars EASILY established the mood and emotion and they were flawlessly executed. The solo even sounded like internal strife and chaos, before an agonizing scream breaks it up. THAT is how it is done.

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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Beware people! The Great Valefor has edicted that it was now forbidden to speak about anything else than metal because "this is metal fucking reviews"! :wink:
Seriously, you people take these things way too seriously...


"The great valefor"?

Clown.
What is this, like your sixth account, Miss Sewer?
For someone that is basically an old joke on the forum, you sure come off as arrogant.

Anyway, I have made no such edict.
Read it again. And again, if necessary.
If you still fail to grasp the basic premise of my post, just ask for help; I'll be glad to walk you through it.


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3rd actually and, whenever I engage with you, I remember avoiding douches such as yourself was a good enough reason to stay away on an otherwise splendid community.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
3rd actually and, whenever I engage with you, I remember avoiding douches such as yourself was a good enough reason to stay away on an otherwise splendid community.


Yeah right...

Just because your reading comprehension skills are lacking, it's somehow my fault?

Actually, as I recall, the last time you banned yourself, it was over the Burzum reviews (such a revolutionary!) and had nothing to do with me.
The other times, as I recall, also had zero to do with me... do I need to dig up the past to prove my point? It's all here, in black and white.

What a joke.


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You two arguing is making me nostalgic. All we need are a few Misha and Jaden pics and some nonsense from WinterIsComing and we're set for a total MR timewarp.


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Goat wrote:
You two arguing is making me nostalgic. All we need are a few Misha and Jaden pics and some nonsense from WinterIsComing and we're set for a total MR timewarp.


I'm not really arguing, and am not the least bit excited (in fact I am quite amused), but I am a champion of truth, and cannot let falsehoods go unchecked.
You know that.
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Good, I'm quite amused too.
See, we can sometimes agree... or rather agree to disagree like gentlemen do.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
Sadly, there are people out there that feel the need to parade their musical tastes as a banner of "intelligence" or as a one-up-manship thing, as in "I know more bands and have delved deeper into the subterranean world of music than anyone else" and "you listen to garbage while I, on the other hand, listen to real music".


I think the Frenchman is a proponent of this. I think he's posting all this non-metal stuff to try to gain provocation.

After all I've never seen him post anything about metal at all.


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Which clearly proves you've:
1 - Haven't been around long enough
2 - Can't read the very thread you're posting in.

Sad.. So sad.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Which clearly proves you've:
1 - Haven't been around long enough


What does that have to do with anything.

Have a look at your own posts on Now Playing or New Purchases threads. No metal at all!

When's the last time you've listened to some metal (if ever)?


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2 - Can't read the very thread you're posting in.

Sad.. So sad.


You seem to be argiuing about an ex-reviewer called Misha who was seems to have been a proponent of "metal bad, non-metal good." That's fine and dandy but on a metal website?!?


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"The Annoying Frenchman" why don't you enlighten us all why you think metal is not what you listen to and you prefer other types of music? Keep mind a lot of people here listen to all different kinds of music aside from metal but their first and last love is metal music. Also keep in mind that from the rise of Jazz in the 50's to now, metal has kept in mind all those genres of music and has delivered a very diverse variety of genres for the listener to pick from. You are entitled to your opinion and I am by no means suggesting that metal is the superior music although one can argue so.

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Didn't it also said I recommended Solstafir to Misha who carried on my advice? Which clearly demonstrates that I listen to metal and that I also speak about metal on this forum.
Right?
And, ask others, I know my metal (not so much in the "extreme" department since it's not my thing).


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Didn't it also said I recommended Solstafir to Misha who carried on my advice? Which clearly demonstrates that I listen to metal and that I also speak about metal on this forum.
Right?
And, ask others, I know my metal (not so much in the "extreme" department since it's not my thing).


I am not trying to argue whether you listen to metal or not; nor am I arguing why you are on these forums if you are not an avid listener of metal; I was just curious to know what kind of music you listen to because I don't know a lot of music that you post in the now playing thread or the purchase thread.

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That still doesn't explain why you would log in to post primarily about non-metal. Are you trying to make a meaningful contribution or simply seeing what kind of reaction you get?


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That still doesn't explain why you would log in to post primarily about non-metal. Are you trying to make a meaningful contribution or simply seeing what kind of reaction you get?


Yes... TAFm explain... I am very curious!

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GeneralDiomedes wrote:
That still doesn't explain why you would log in to post primarily about non-metal. Are you trying to make a meaningful contribution or simply seeing what kind of reaction you get?

I'm just being myself. I don't listen to much metal lately but, hopefully, with all the enthusiasts roaming these pages, it'll come back.
Anyway, if someone's curious about something I'm listening to, he can just ask for informations, I'll be happy to oblige.


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