Osama Bin Laden dead

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 9:21 pm

What, being the better men now is a sign of weakness? Staying civil in the face of barbarism means we're pussies?

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 9:25 pm

stevelovesmoonspell wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

I want to see the evidence.
Call me cynical, but tossing him overboard this quickly, destroying the compound, no pics (made available), etc... we're supposed to just take their word for it? Too convenient and the "we disposed of his body they way we did so as to eliminate the chances of making him a martyr" is just too pat of an answer. His symbolic status has already been established, it wouldn't matter if we buried him in Mecca, he'd still be a martyr and we'd still be the infidel.
Since when is the government on the level with the public about anything?

Not calling shenanigans, but I'm not convinced yet, either.
I don't trust the federal government for one second.

They tested his DNA, and showed satellite imagery of the compound, as well as told the fact our boys in the Navy seals worked with the CIA. Granted, I agree words could not express my dismay when they said we buried him at sea. We need a body, and I think it is bullshit that Obozo is playing pc with the towelheads, when they gave no such idea to those that fell on September 11th. Fuck them, that scumbag didn't deserve a burial at all

The thing is, this is not just some yokel, this is the #1 Most Wanted man in the US. We spent ten + years, billions of dollars and lost thousands of our young... the public deserves to know 100% who they nailed.
As they say, pics, or GTFO.

It's probably true, though, it is just too big to pull off a scam of such magnitude.
Still, there is always that whisper of doubt, and the circumstances are a bit shady.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 9:45 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

The American soldiers probably cut off every part of his face they might possibly use as a trophy. The lack of photos is to avoid pissing off a bunch of Muslims.

You're such a douchebag, you know it?.
Wassamatta? Run out of drunken skags of dubious hygiene willing to let you feel them up so you gotta revert to your usual boorish inanity?

As for pissing off the muslims, seems like they are pissed off anyway.

...what's kosher har har har for dead muslims.

Fuck 'em.

I'm supposed to give a fuck if they are offended?
We've become a nation of pussies.
The ME and muslims in general can fuck themselves for all I care.

Alright John Wayne. Incite terrorists to attack us, provide a reason for retaliation, or respect a man's body with some respect? It's not a hard decision. There need not be a reason to give them ammunition to hate us. Being the bigger person and respecting their culture whether it be a scumbag or not is the best way to promote some facade of respect towards their culture as a whole. Disrespecting his body isn't just disrespecting that fucker but disrespecting their tradition in a very tradition-based society. It's a no-brainer.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 9:51 pm

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

The American soldiers probably cut off every part of his face they might possibly use as a trophy. The lack of photos is to avoid pissing off a bunch of Muslims.

You're such a douchebag, you know it?.
Wassamatta? Run out of drunken skags of dubious hygiene willing to let you feel them up so you gotta revert to your usual boorish inanity?

As for pissing off the muslims, seems like they are pissed off anyway.

...what's kosher har har har for dead muslims.

Fuck 'em.

I'm supposed to give a fuck if they are offended?
We've become a nation of pussies.
The ME and muslims in general can fuck themselves for all I care.

Alright John Wayne. Incite terrorists to attack us, provide a reason for retaliation, or respect a man's body with some respect? It's not a hard decision. There need not be a reason to give them ammunition to hate us. Being the bigger person and respecting their culture whether it be a scumbag or not is the best way to promote some facade of respect towards their culture as a whole. Disrespecting his body isn't just disrespecting that fucker but disrespecting their tradition in a very tradition-based society. It's a no-brainer.

John Wayne?
Oooh, clever.
Newsflash, prof.
They already hate us.
In fact:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_ ... sea_burial

It figures you'd be all sensitive about such things... me, I say since we were attacked, we have footed the bill for the "WOT", and we have lost thousands of our young in that same war, our right to know via physical proof trumps any deranged sensibilities of the muslim world.

Respect a mans body? respecting their culture?
Are you fucking kidding me?

:lol:

like I said, a bunch of fucking pussies.

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 9:56 pm

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

The American soldiers probably cut off every part of his face they might possibly use as a trophy. The lack of photos is to avoid pissing off a bunch of Muslims.

You're such a douchebag, you know it?.
Wassamatta? Run out of drunken skags of dubious hygiene willing to let you feel them up so you gotta revert to your usual boorish inanity?

As for pissing off the muslims, seems like they are pissed off anyway.

...what's kosher har har har for dead muslims.

Fuck 'em.

I'm supposed to give a fuck if they are offended?
We've become a nation of pussies.
The ME and muslims in general can fuck themselves for all I care.

Alright John Wayne. Incite terrorists to attack us, provide a reason for retaliation, or respect a man's body with some respect? It's not a hard decision. There need not be a reason to give them ammunition to hate us. Being the bigger person and respecting their culture whether it be a scumbag or not is the best way to promote some facade of respect towards their culture as a whole. Disrespecting his body isn't just disrespecting that fucker but disrespecting their tradition in a very tradition-based society. It's a no-brainer.

Newsflash, they already detest us and if the Muslim community genuinely was as loath and willing to disavow the acts perpetrated on 911, then they should be willing to let us take his corpse back to our country. This wasn't some holy man to the vast majority according to your politically correct spineless mentality, and if he is revered by only the extreme faction of the Muslim faith, then it really isn't hurting anyone but the nuts to let us keep the body. The radical wing of the already radical anti-Western muslim faith showed us no respect on 911, so you don't really have much of an argument.

Goat · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 9:58 pm

They should have stuffed him and used him as a coathanger at Langley!

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 10:00 pm

Goat wrote:

They should have stuffed him and used him as a coathanger at Langley!

Exactly, and your not even an American yet you have more spine than Trapt.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Mon May 02, 2011 11:39 pm

The man could be rejected entirely by his community, but to treat his body improperly would be to offend their whole tradition of funeral rites. I assume that once he dies, according to them, his soul leaves his body and it becomes something more than just simply his vessel.

And as Frig pointed out, if we want to reduce ourselves to the level of the terrorists who attacked us then fine, piss on his body, hack it up and we can make him a fucking jigsaw puzzle. A fucking Hannibal Lecter art exhibit, you know? However, I don't want to be like them. I don't want to think that I have a right to just fuck with people's lives and piss on their culture. I would like to think that the West can reconcile its difference with the global Islamic community. But whatever, I'm a spineless pussy. I'm not going to bitch about the wars and then turn around and try to incite another one just so I can have my retaliatory justice. What good will disrespecting his body do? We have video of Hussein being hung; did that make you feel better? Did it bring our troops and the victims back to life? I'll keep being a spineless twat and you guys just explain how much we deserve to see his bloody corpse. Did you ever stop to think that a 50 cal round to his head just left not much to identify? Is that too much to ask for?

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 12:39 am

traptunderice wrote:

The man could be rejected entirely by his community, but to treat his body improperly would be to offend their whole tradition of funeral rites. I assume that once he dies, according to them, his soul leaves his body and it becomes something more than just simply his vessel.

And as Frig pointed out, if we want to reduce ourselves to the level of the terrorists who attacked us then fine, piss on his body, hack it up and we can make him a fucking jigsaw puzzle. A fucking Hannibal Lecter art exhibit, you know? However, I don't want to be like them. I don't want to think that I have a right to just fuck with people's lives and piss on their culture. I would like to think that the West can reconcile its difference with the global Islamic community. But whatever, I'm a spineless pussy. I'm not going to bitch about the wars and then turn around and try to incite another one just so I can have my retaliatory justice. What good will disrespecting his body do? We have video of Hussein being hung; did that make you feel better? Did it bring our troops and the victims back to life? I'll keep being a spineless twat and you guys just explain how much we deserve to see his bloody corpse. Did you ever stop to think that a 50 cal round to his head just left not much to identify? Is that too much to ask for?

Good lord but you are the most kneejerk reactionary person I've ever encountered... you're not going to cry or anything like that, are you? Nobody said anything about corpse desecration, all anybody said , I believe it was myself, actually, is that some proof via pics or an exhibit would go a long way towards closure... as it is now, it just kind of dangles anti-climacticly.
After 10 years and billions of dollars later (did I mention the young men and women that have been maimed and killed since this endeavor was initiated? I'm pretty sure I did.) we, the American public, deserve that closure and proof that they indeed got the right guy.
And if that is "offensive" to a bunch of medieval rubberheads shouting "allah akbar" in the desert like a bunch of morons, let them eat shit for all of me. Pig shit, at that.
Worrying about what the enemy will think is, yes, weak and fucking pathetic.

You know how a cocker spaniel responds to a good kicking?
It rolls over and licks the boot that just kicked it into the gutter.
Fuck that noise.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 12:52 am

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 12:57 am

traptunderice wrote:

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

To be fair, that bit of the speech made me laugh. "Oh man, our country is so great! We killed a guy!"

Still glad that Bin Laden's dead, though.

Goat · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:00 am

I think you're taking it a bit far, Trapt. He was a modern symbol of evil, and the war on terror started because of him - America has finally finished the job, Obama doing what Bush couldn't. That he was quietly thrown off a boat without so much as a polaroid taken seems a bit odd, considering the conspiracy theorists that dog Obama at the moment. Obviously sticking his head on a pole and shredding his corpse Fargo-style would have been taking things a bit far... perhaps the best way would have been Israeli style, drop a big bomb on him then be all 'hell yeah, dead terrorists'.

In any case, what about Osama using his wife as a human shield? What a guy.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:01 am

traptunderice wrote:

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Gee, you're right, I guess I don't know what OBL looks like... are you on crack?
His face is one of the most famous in the world.
And you're attempt at snarkiness was a failure.

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant what the pres said?
What exactly in the speech was it that upset you?

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:11 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Gee, you're right, I guess I don't know what OBL looks like... are you on crack?
His face is one of the most famous in the world.
And you're attempt at snarkiness was a failure.

Do you not remember all the Hussein look-alikes/political decoys?

Quote:

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant what the pres said?
What exactly in the speech was it that upset you?

We're great because we killed a single man which ultimately doesn't solve anything? We're great because we killed a single man and that is what we want to set our minds to? It's just obnoxious.

Wife as a human shield? Where did you get that detail?

Goat · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:15 am

traptunderice wrote:

Wife as a human shield? Where did you get that detail?

The news? Sample news -

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -wife.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... medium=RSS

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:17 am

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Gee, you're right, I guess I don't know what OBL looks like... are you on crack?
His face is one of the most famous in the world.
And you're attempt at snarkiness was a failure.

Do you not remember all the Hussein look-alikes/political decoys?

Quote:

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant what the pres said?
What exactly in the speech was it that upset you?

We're great because we killed a single man which ultimately doesn't solve anything? We're great because we killed a single man and that is what we want to set our minds to? It's just obnoxious.

Wife as a human shield? Where did you get that detail?

It's been reported in every news outlet for the last twelve hours or so, also the DNA test matched the corpse of the supposed "decoy" quite well with his dead sister from Boston. Obviously your daft enough to respect a cultures customs, while systematically turning your back on your own. We pride ourselves on his death because of what happened to the 3000 that died on 911. Maybe you forgot about that

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:20 am

Oh man, I hadn't read a full account of the raid yet like that. Kinda fucking intense and badass to be honest.

From Zad's second link:

Quote:

The administration is still in the process of deciding whether to release additional proof, such as photos of the corpse, to convince skeptics that bin Laden is in fact dead, Mr. Brennan said.

So there are polaroids...

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:23 am

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Gee, you're right, I guess I don't know what OBL looks like... are you on crack?
His face is one of the most famous in the world.
And you're attempt at snarkiness was a failure.

Do you not remember all the Hussein look-alikes/political decoys?

Quote:

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant what the pres said?
What exactly in the speech was it that upset you?

We're great because we killed a single man which ultimately doesn't solve anything? We're great because we killed a single man and that is what we want to set our minds to? It's just obnoxious.

Wife as a human shield? Where did you get that detail?

When they brought Hussein in, there was NO doubt as to who it was, was there? You're fucking A there wasn't.

The way you make it sound (because we killed a single guy), you'd think that it wasn't the result of a ten year long manhunt in one of the most inaccessible parts of the world (to the US, at least), and that he was wanted for jaywalking or something.

Obnoxious? OK, how do you think we should have responded to the 9/11 attacks? With a sit-down and a mea culpa?

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:25 am

stevelovesmoonspell wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Gee, you're right, I guess I don't know what OBL looks like... are you on crack?
His face is one of the most famous in the world.
And you're attempt at snarkiness was a failure.

Do you not remember all the Hussein look-alikes/political decoys?

Quote:

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant what the pres said?
What exactly in the speech was it that upset you?

We're great because we killed a single man which ultimately doesn't solve anything? We're great because we killed a single man and that is what we want to set our minds to? It's just obnoxious.

Wife as a human shield? Where did you get that detail?

It's been reported in every news outlet for the last twelve hours or so, also the DNA test matched the corpse of the supposed "decoy" quite well with his dead sister from Boston. Obviously your daft enough to respect a cultures customs, while systematically turning your back on your own. We pride ourselves on his death because of what happened to the 3000 that died on 911. Maybe you forgot about that

You're an ass. I didn't say it was a decoy. I simply question V's ability to distinguish bin Laden's corpse from the corpse of a possible political decoy based simply on a polaroid.

Turning my back on my own culture? My culture of what shootouts at the OK Corral? I think you need to distinguish culture from society. I respect my society enough that I am glad that a criminal has been punished for killing those people. I don't know what aspect of American culture is all about killing shit but given our past maybe that is a part of our culture. However, I don't want to reduce my culture to one which doesn't respect others.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2011 1:28 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Do you really know what Osama bin Laden looks like to such a degree that you would be able to determine it was him indefinitely, given a picture? If not, shut the fuck up. Do you think Hitler is still alive because we don't have his remains either? I don't want to spook you since we don't have a polaroid of his corpse but I don't think he is going to be inciting any new holocausts anytime soon.

Quote:

“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”

Killing a single dude means all this? What the fuck is wrong with us?

Gee, you're right, I guess I don't know what OBL looks like... are you on crack?
His face is one of the most famous in the world.
And you're attempt at snarkiness was a failure.

Do you not remember all the Hussein look-alikes/political decoys?

Quote:

What the fuck is wrong with you?
You don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant what the pres said?
What exactly in the speech was it that upset you?

We're great because we killed a single man which ultimately doesn't solve anything? We're great because we killed a single man and that is what we want to set our minds to? It's just obnoxious.

Wife as a human shield? Where did you get that detail?

When they brought Hussein in, there was NO doubt as to who it was, was there? You're fucking A there wasn't.

The way you make it sound (because we killed a single guy), you'd think that it wasn't the result of a ten year long manhunt in one of the most inaccessible parts of the world (to the US, at least), and that he was wanted for jaywalking or something.

Obnoxious? OK, how do you think we should have responded to the 9/11 attacks? With a sit-down and a mea culpa?

Given the picture of Hussein all bushed out, I would've only known the difference based on the DNA cheek swabs.

What I called obnoxious was Obama's speech. How we should've responded to the 9/11 attacks is like this not two fucking wars.

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