The state of metal

noodles · **Posted:** Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:45 am

dead1 wrote:

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Don't agree at all. Neurosis, Cult of Luna, Mouth of the Architect, Minsk, Year of No Light, Capricorns, etc have tons of all three.

I still want to hear a convincing band play post-metal with clean vocals. Irreversible and Callisto come pretty close to nailing it but aren't quite there.

dead1 · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am **Posts:** 2250

stevelovesmoonspell wrote:

dead1 wrote:

stevelovesmoonspell wrote:

If you like Defeated Sanity, I highly recommend the bands of Unique Leader all of them combine brutal death with solid musicianship, you won't be disappointed looking at their roster.

Except they all sound like Deeds of Flesh (or at least they did last time I heard anything from the label - c.2005).

That they do, which means they sound like Suffocation, which means I'll enjoy them which means that if you have good taste you'll like them too.

Which alas means I'm not into it. I respect Suffocation for their contribution to DM but never liked them per se.

dead1 · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am **Posts:** 2250

noodles wrote:

dead1 wrote:

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Don't agree at all. Neurosis, Cult of Luna, Mouth of the Architect, Minsk, Year of No Light, Capricorns, etc have tons of all three.

I still want to hear a convincing band play post-metal with clean vocals. Irreversible and Callisto come pretty close to nailing it but aren't quite there.

I've only heard Neurosis and I always thought they were some sort of post-hardcore thing. They didn't sound Metal at all.

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:59 am

dead1 wrote:

noodles wrote:

dead1 wrote:

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Don't agree at all. Neurosis, Cult of Luna, Mouth of the Architect, Minsk, Year of No Light, Capricorns, etc have tons of all three.

I still want to hear a convincing band play post-metal with clean vocals. Irreversible and Callisto come pretty close to nailing it but aren't quite there.

I've only heard Neurosis and I always thought they were some sort of post-hardcore thing. They didn't sound Metal at all.

wat?

What Neurosis have you heard?

North From Here · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:04 am

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

dead1 wrote:

noodles wrote:

dead1 wrote:

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Don't agree at all. Neurosis, Cult of Luna, Mouth of the Architect, Minsk, Year of No Light, Capricorns, etc have tons of all three.

I still want to hear a convincing band play post-metal with clean vocals. Irreversible and Callisto come pretty close to nailing it but aren't quite there.

I've only heard Neurosis and I always thought they were some sort of post-hardcore thing. They didn't sound Metal at all.

wat?

What Neurosis have you heard?

Neurosis from Souls at Zero onwards is much more akin to doom metal than any sort of hardcore I've heard.

dead1 · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am **Posts:** 2250

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

wat?

What Neurosis have you heard?

Not sure. I heard it at a friend's house a long time ago (this guy loved wierd shit ala Acid Bath and modern Meshuggah - way to many ecstacy pills and dope I think).

Sound seemed rooted in hardcore and not very metal at all. It was wierd shit too and I didn't like it. This was in about 2002-03.

EDIT: Most of the Metal Archives reviews talk about hardcore/post hardcore sludge metal in the reviews.

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:10 am

You might have heard some of their first 2 albums, which were pretty much straight-up hardcore.

doublewhat · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:55 am

dead1 wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

doublewhat wrote:

I find post-metal to be the most interesting and original genre. While death, black, and thrash metal has been beaten to death, I think post-metal is where progress is going to come from.

Ewww. Wankfests are wankfests no matter how you frame it. Minus intronaut, fuck post-metal.

I second this.

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Neither does MOST power metal.

doublewhat · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:56 am

noodles wrote:

dead1 wrote:

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Don't agree at all. Neurosis, Cult of Luna, Mouth of the Architect, Minsk, Year of No Light, Capricorns, etc have tons of all three.

I still want to hear a convincing band play post-metal with clean vocals. Irreversible and Callisto come pretty close to nailing it but aren't quite there.

I like ISIS, BUT I really need to get my hands on more Neurosis.

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:42 pm

emperorblackdoom wrote:

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

dead1 wrote:

noodles wrote:

dead1 wrote:

Most of this post metal stuff seems to forget what metal's about: riffs, aggression and energy (and more riffs)!

Don't agree at all. Neurosis, Cult of Luna, Mouth of the Architect, Minsk, Year of No Light, Capricorns, etc have tons of all three.

I still want to hear a convincing band play post-metal with clean vocals. Irreversible and Callisto come pretty close to nailing it but aren't quite there.

I've only heard Neurosis and I always thought they were some sort of post-hardcore thing. They didn't sound Metal at all.

I still hear a massive hardcore influence in their music

wat?

What Neurosis have you heard?

Neurosis from Souls at Zero onwards is much more akin to doom metal than any sort of hardcore I've heard.

dead1 · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am **Posts:** 2250

doublewhat wrote:

Neither does MOST power metal.

Totally agree. I mainly focus on riffy stuff ala Helloween, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian and Iced Earth. Even then I prefer earlier stuffo ver later stuff (though Gamma Ray and Helloween both are still riffy and energetic).

ruaddd · **Posted:** Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:39 am

as far as power metal goes, Dragonland and Theocracy are releasing albums this year who, as far as I'm concerned, are the best prog, avant-garde, modern, whatever you wanna call em, power metal bands out there today

Ness · **Posted:** Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:27 pm

ruaddd wrote:

as far as power metal goes, Dragonland and Theocracy are releasing albums this year who, as far as I'm concerned, are the best prog, avant-garde, modern, whatever you wanna call em, power metal bands out there today

Where did you see that Theocracy are releasing an album?

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:35 pm

dead1 wrote:

doublewhat wrote:

Neither does MOST power metal.

Totally agree. I mainly focus on riffy stuff ala Helloween, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian and Iced Earth. Even then I prefer earlier stuffo ver later stuff (though Gamma Ray and Helloween both are still riffy and energetic).

Iced Earth has heavy riffs? LOL

dead1 · **Joined:** Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:22 am **Posts:** 2250

stevelovesmoonspell wrote:

dead1 wrote:

doublewhat wrote:

Neither does MOST power metal.

Totally agree. I mainly focus on riffy stuff ala Helloween, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian and Iced Earth. Even then I prefer earlier stuffo ver later stuff (though Gamma Ray and Helloween both are still riffy and energetic).

Iced Earth has heavy riffs? LOL

The early stuff is Thrashy - songs like Violate, Last Laugh, Burning Times etc is pretty heavy for power metal. They turned to shit over the last few albums and any heaviness and intensity was replaced with pomp.

ruaddd · **Posted:** Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:55 am

[quote="metalNESS"][quote="ruaddd"]as far as power metal goes, Dragonland and Theocracy are releasing albums this year who, as far as I'm concerned, are the best prog, avant-garde, modern, whatever you wanna call em, power metal bands out there today[/quote]

Where did you see that Theocracy are releasing an album?[/quote]

On their website in under the "band" they say they're releasing an album this year.
http://www.theocracymusic.com/band.php

Ness · **Posted:** Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:29 am

ruaddd wrote:

metalNESS wrote:

ruaddd wrote:

as far as power metal goes, Dragonland and Theocracy are releasing albums this year who, as far as I'm concerned, are the best prog, avant-garde, modern, whatever you wanna call em, power metal bands out there today

Where did you see that Theocracy are releasing an album?

On their website in under the "band" they say they're releasing an album this year.
http://www.theocracymusic.com/band.php

I'll bet its another 2 years. Mirror of Souls took five years!

doublewhat · **Posted:** Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:07 am

metalNESS wrote:

ruaddd wrote:

metalNESS wrote:

ruaddd wrote:

as far as power metal goes, Dragonland and Theocracy are releasing albums this year who, as far as I'm concerned, are the best prog, avant-garde, modern, whatever you wanna call em, power metal bands out there today

Where did you see that Theocracy are releasing an album?

On their website in under the "band" they say they're releasing an album this year.
http://www.theocracymusic.com/band.php

I'll bet its another 2 years. Mirror of Souls took five years!

if it's great, it's worth the wait :dio:

JokerMachine · **Posted:** Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:31 pm

That Trophy Scars band is interesting.

I hate to hear the term "indie" being used as a genre.

heatseeker · **Posted:** Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:12 pm

JokerMachine wrote:

That Trophy Scars band is interesting.

I hate to hear the term "indie" being used as a genre.

It is a genre, broski. Describe Arcade Fire in other terms.

But yes, Trophy Scars is indeed badass. I really see their metal-influenced style, rather than metal influenced by other genres, as being where we will see many of the next great releases in heavy and extreme music.

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