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I wish I was enough of an internet pussy/dweeb to know what "troll harder" meant. At least Tyler still has the passion for music to think and write about it instead of just shooting off his holier-than-thou suck piece about other people's hard work. You don't have to agree, but be civil and try to contribute if you're gonna take up space. No one who's criticized his review has made even a modicum of legit musical argument as to why he might be wrong. There aren't enough metal brothers in the world for us to cannibalize each other. Go ahead - be smart; show us what you've got, but chill on the ad hominem shit.


I did not hear this album nor do I have a desire to hear it, from the few moments I have heard in passing on the radio, but I get what Steve and Tyler are saying. I do find it strange that the score got bumped by some 20 points, but I also get the "definition" Tyler is assigning to what an Album of the Year will mean to him. I just felt he got caught up in the emotion of the moment. When reviewing something which is tributary to a deceased musician, you almost feel unholy if you smear the music. Just last week or so I have written a 2-part Yearning review with almost that same feeling in mind, trying to restrain myself from scoring it unnecessarily high. I did write another one way back when Elin Overskott of Dismal Euphony overdosed, and am contemplating one for Evereve's Stormbirds, the album near and dear to my heart. Unfortunately I have lived long enough to experience death of close enough people. The raw emotion overtaking a human being at the moment is so powerful. Perhaps Tyler caught that wave and it rode him to the conclusions he came up with.


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steveMR2010 wrote:
I wish I was enough of an internet pussy/dweeb to know what "troll harder" meant. At least Tyler still has the passion for music to think and write about it instead of just shooting off his holier-than-thou suck piece about other people's hard work. You don't have to agree, but be civil and try to contribute if you're gonna take up space. No one who's criticized his review has made even a modicum of legit musical argument as to why he might be wrong. There aren't enough metal brothers in the world for us to cannibalize each other. Go ahead - be smart; show us what you've got, but chill on the ad hominem shit.


I see you're still new here. You have to understand that we metalheads here on MR are nothing but egocentric pricks and assholes who slam on those who's tastes aren't like ours.

It's a vicious cycle filled with flame fests,ad hominem attacks and name calling on the 3rd grade level.


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Ok, how's this. Shitty lame ass emo vocalist + shitty generic riffs + a few noodley solos and some leads that have been played a million times = not worth anyone's time.
How's that for smart. I used math.

Moreover, this type of commercial tripe is exactly the type of thing heavy metal doesnt need. Some emo boys masquerading as metal heads, who play a couple of harmonized leads and a couple chugga chugga riffs, get Mike Portnoy on drums, and then voila! they're a metal band? The question mark at the end of that otherwise disjointed and grammatically incorrect statement should indicate the utter dismay that I and few other of my fellow metalreviews.com trolls feel at the very thought of this band. Any metal head worth his salt should immediately recognize this attempt at legitimizing hot topic garbage by injecting a few half hearted metal-isms into a shell of commercialism and eye shadow.

In conclusion, I say fuck-this-shit.


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Oh dear .. well I checked out some samples and it sounded like a cross between GNR and Metallica somewhere in the 70-80 range.

I get the emotional impact the death of the artist can have, having experienced the same thing with Voivod / Infini. But, that was some really good music regardless.


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steveMR2010 wrote:
I wish I was enough of an internet pussy/dweeb to know what "troll harder" meant. At least Tyler still has the passion for music to think and write about it instead of just shooting off his holier-than-thou suck piece about other people's hard work. You don't have to agree, but be civil and try to contribute if you're gonna take up space. No one who's criticized his review has made even a modicum of legit musical argument as to why he might be wrong. There aren't enough metal brothers in the world for us to cannibalize each other. Go ahead - be smart; show us what you've got, but chill on the ad hominem shit.


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Ok, how's this. Shitty lame ass emo vocalist + shitty generic riffs + a few noodley solos and some leads that have been played a million times = not worth anyone's time.
How's that for smart. I used math.

Moreover, this type of commercial tripe is exactly the type of thing heavy metal doesnt need. Some emo boys masquerading as metal heads, who play a couple of harmonized leads and a couple chugga chugga riffs, get Mike Portnoy on drums, and then voila! they're a metal band? The question mark at the end of that otherwise disjointed and grammatically incorrect statement should indicate the utter dismay that I and few other of my fellow metalreviews.com trolls feel at the very thought of this band. Any metal head worth his salt should immediately recognize this attempt at legitimizing hot topic garbage by injecting a few half hearted metal-isms into a shell of commercialism and eye shadow.

In conclusion, I say fuck-this-shit.


I may not agree with you a whole lot but here I do agree as you just summed up how most of us feel about this.

You've got your moments HT I'll give you that :lol:


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Listened to Buried Alive and whoa their singer learned how to sing without sounding awful since City of Evil.


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Rating this a 90 because their drummer died exhibits a lack of maturity. It sucks that he died, but a review should provide an unbiased judgement of the quality of the music by the reviewer, and while it's lacking in taste to mock the dead, this review seems to be full of critically unfiltered and drastically overstated praise for this band's deceased drummer (a "phenomenal drummer" he was certainly not) which is in my eyes almost equally distasteful. It's quite clear that emotions of outside circumstances got in the way of this review being an unbiased and critical assessment of the music, and it's a shame that they did.


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Hey yall, Tyler here. Just wanted to clarify something. This album is NOT a 90 album, nor would it be an album of the year quality album under normal circumstances. It is a high 70, low 80 AT BEST. HOWEVER! given the circumstances surrounding this album, I may have had a bit of a soft spot.listenh an open mind, its hard to deny that this is an emotionaly raw triubute for a fallen musician, someone who died WAY too early. There are some damn good songs on this album, and plenty of great moments to make this a memorable album. As such, it is going to be one of the albums that defines the year for me, and probably one of the first few albums I think of when I look back on this year. Because of that, I decided to give this album a better score than it deserves because, for me, it is one of the albums of the year for me, based on the quality, maturity, and impact of it. I advise you all to GIVE IT A CHANCE, A7X REALLY ISNT THAT BAD AT ALL!!!. Commercial doesn't always equal bad, and A7X is one of the few "mainstream" bands who aren't afraid to push the envelope a bit or be a little dangerous/controversial. Anyway, give this album a try, its pretty damn solid throughout, thoug it IS A GROWER!! so treat it as such!
-Tyler


I think you should have made that clear in your review and stuck with the high 70's, low 80's score you truly feel the album deserves.


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The thing is that even Mike Portnoy can't save this band from sucking because as good at Portnoy is on the skins putting him in this band is like adding fudge to a pile of crap. No matter how you sweeten it, it's still going to taste like a pile of crap.


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And, then, Portnoy is no Neil Peart...


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I think the reviewer is going to be rather disappointed later on in the year when he realises about a hundred albums come out every month that are more deserving of his Album Of The Year nomination than this overhyped mallrat music.


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Zad the reviewer wrote:
I'm with Alex on this. Having a band member die does afford your music a kind of historical worth in some way - eg Reinkaos has something more to it since Nodveldt shot himself afterwards, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas blah Euronymous blah - and considering that more mainstream sources than this were praising City Of Evil like it was a goddamn masterpiece, a 90 for an Avenged Sevenfold album really isn't so strange, considering Dragonforce albums usually manage more than that.


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GAAAH! What the hell! A seven exx!! NOOOOOOOOOO! Portnoy, you're dead to me.


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considering Dragonforce albums usually manage more than that.


And that is the real goddamm travesty here.

Anyway, listened to the album a bit, boring as fuck. Sorry Tyler, I wish I could back you up in your polemics (just see some of the stuff I've reviewed here), but this is just really, really off.

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This thread is golden. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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a7x + a member of Dream Theater sounds like a combination for the worst music ever


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[quote="Legacy Of The Night"]Rating this a 90 because their drummer died exhibits a lack of maturity. It sucks that he died, but a review should provide an unbiased judgement of the quality of the music by the reviewer, and while it's lacking in taste to mock the dead, this review seems to be full of critically unfiltered and drastically overstated praise for this band's deceased drummer (a "phenomenal drummer" he was certainly not) which is in my eyes almost equally distasteful. It's quite clear that emotions of outside circumstances got in the way of this review being an unbiased and critical assessment of the music, and it's a shame that they did.[/quote]

Did u read what I said at all? I didn't give this a 90 because "the drummer died", I gave it a 90 because I wanted to give it an album of the year tag. Regardless of what you all think, the fact is that coming out with an album and carrying on with a band 7 MONTHS after your drummer and best friend dies is unbelievably brave act. Now I respect the fact that you might not like the album, but I DID, becuase I gave it a fair chance, I took it for what it is, I looked past the band's so called image and listened to the MUSIC. And further more, I doubt half of you have actually listened to the ENTIRE album, and I'd bet even less than that have actually ever played and instrument, so you don't really have any credibility. I didn't overstate a single thing in my review, I stand by every single thing I said, had a given this album a "normal" score I probably would've given it a 82ish, but that's not the point. Anyway, this will be the last time I post about this, I don't need to defend myself, I'm a reviewer at Metalreviews, (most of) u are not. So there. BOOM.


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:lol:

The force is strong with this one!


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All of this negativity was totally foreseeable. There is no way the reviewer could have not known that giving an Avenged Sevenfold a 90 would not generate this type of animosity. Then again, he may have hoped to change some minds with his review, but he couldnt have seriously thought it would work.


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I agree with the reviewer here, regardless of how good or bad the music actually is. It's blatantly obvious that none of the haters have actually heard this album and are just hating on Avenged Sevenfold's image...shame.

I will probably check this out, as City of Evil is pretty damn good. I didn't like the last one though, so we'll see.


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