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Si Monvmentvm Reqvires, Circvmspice 64%  64%  [ 9 ]
Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternvm 36%  36%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:29 am 
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w/e, you guys. I think it's funny how you all dismiss it as "hyper speed wall-of-noise death metal" when a lot of it is pretty mid-paced, and there aren't too many blast beats as far as Black Metal is concerned. I still think SMR,C is the "end-all-be-all" of BM. A lot of BM fails to interest me these days, but SMR,C is still an album that I can really get into.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
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One last thing; Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse is what I think of when I think of innovative black metal albums.
Technically flawless, it covers the entire range of emotions to be found in black metal.
Majestic, dark, haughty, melancholic, wrathful, reverent, Satanic, pagan, apocalyptic, martial...
still hasn't been touched to this day.

Playing hyper speed wall-of-noise death metal hiding under the cloak of black metal with a few chants thrown in (which is basically what I consider Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice) is not what I consider to be innovative, though I am sure I am the odd one out on this.


I definitely agree about Emperor, but come on dso is pretty damn innovative. Haven't heard a band that sounds like them, influenced maybe, but none that follow directly in their footsteps. At the very least you would have to admit they are an inspired band, they certainly have an intense passion for what they are doing.


I will do no such thing; I cannot believe how many people actually think this is what black metal is; and not only that, but the ultimate in black metal. It is nothing but a confused morass of aimless (supposedly technical, but whatever, I couldn't care less about how "technical" something is) riffs set against blasting drums with a few "avant garde" elements thrown in (Blut Aus Nord did it better) and quasi-death metal growls. Oh, and a few "prayers" thrown in for good measure. This is called black metal, but to these ears, it fails to qualify as such. Reversing the concepts of "god" and"Satan" does not make it black metal. And throwing in some Latin does not make it intellectual, either.
This is "black" metal for dilletantes, for those dabblers that really prefer death metal (which is in and of itself the opposite of what black metal is really about, when you get down to bare bones) or bands like Marduk, Funeral Mist, and so on. And that is fine. There is something for eveyone in this world after all. Just don't try and tell me that this is the end all be all of black metal, because it fucking isn't.
Call me an elitsit snob, I don't care, that's the way I see it.


Hell, I even gave it another listen earlier (it has been over five years since I last annoyed myself with it, and out of fairness I gave it another shot), knowing full well it was a pointless endeavor, but it was as frustratingly bland as ever.
It actually pissed me off.
Please, tell me what is exactly so innovative about this album, brcause I don't see it.


I'm most definitely not saying dso are the best bm band ever (and they ARE black metal), but I have no problem saying they are one of the best in the modern scene. Throw on Chaining the Katechon and tell me that isn't unique. Those riffs come from a different planet or something lol. They have a style completely their own on both Si Momentum, and everything after, constantly evolving and never content to repeat themselves.

There is an awful lot more going on with their music than playing "hyper-speed death metal", but perhaps its just not your cup of tea?


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cry of the banshee wrote:
One last thing; Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse is what I think of when I think of innovative black metal albums.
Technically flawless, it covers the entire range of emotions to be found in black metal.
Majestic, dark, haughty, melancholic, wrathful, reverent, Satanic, pagan, apocalyptic, martial...
still hasn't been touched to this day.

Playing hyper speed wall-of-noise death metal hiding under the cloak of black metal with a few chants thrown in (which is basically what I consider Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice) is not what I consider to be innovative, though I am sure I am the odd one out on this.


Seriously it's like we are talking about two different albums. I don't hear a wall of noise a la Immolation or such death metal bands, but rather a suffocating atmosphere created by dissonant riffs and ambient created by a perfect combination of instruments and good production.

Also, the lyrics are more than just god and satan swapped places. I think they are one of the very few bands that sound convincing enough that they believe that Satan is the ruler of this world, in the Luciferian sense if I'm not mistaken. The lyrics are very well written and manage to sound intellectual, which is rare in black metal while it is filled by thousands of satanic bands. I am an atheist and don't buy that crap for a second, but the lyrics are so well written and backed up by the atmosphere so well that it gets is point across to even the most skeptical bastards like myself.

You should also take it into consideration that the album was released in 2004 where the genre hadn't seen something that innovative in the last few years. It has been better ever since.


Also, SMRC is very different than other religious (orthodox) black metal bands before and after it (Watain, Ofermod, Malign, Antaeus, Katharsis). Its influence is very obvious. Bands tagged orthodox bm have really incresed in numbers, where there weren't many before it.

Even though there might have been some bands doing this kind of music with a religious atmosphere I have only heard the term orthodox black metal after SMRC. It might not have started the genre, but it definitely perfected it and many bands are following DsO's footsteps now.


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I don't intend to step on any toes with this, but: if the chants and the 'orthodoxy' are really that important to you, you're being a bit superficial. SMR,C is in many ways Inquisitors of Satan with above elements tacked on. I believe a better mix of ingredients could've been attained, and I believe they partly got there on Fas.

I've given the album a few more spins, but to no avail. I believe the hype and my backwards exploration of DsO's discography is to blame. If it were another band releasing this as a debut, I'd love it despite the imperfections and look out for a more mature sophomore effort, but as it is, with all the overreacting and undue praise, I'm deeply disappointed.


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No, the message is not that important to me, as I said I am not a believer. But the Satanism stuff has been a part of black metal since the beginning and DsO have managed to make it into something that is a rather serious religious statement than "fuck yer jesus" kind of unintelligent crap. That's all I'm saying. The message isn't important but it is important to the concept of the album, the lyrics go well with the satanic religious atmosphere within the music. Inquisitors of Satan was pretty much the other way I was talking about.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
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I've heard quite a few of those bands passing by, though as mentioned in a prior conversation; Inquisition is the one that exemplifies that "Droning" style the most. I don't believe SMRC is the greatest black metal album, it's just one of the ones I happen to spin the most.


Any of them that you like?
I mean, you are into death metal, and that's cool, everybody has their own trip, so your digging bands like Funeral Mist, Deathspell, etc. and you not liking the bulk of the bands I listed, would be no surprise. I personally don't think one style is "better" than the other, just different. Comparing the two is like apples and oranges.
Black metal is almost the polar opposite of death metal, (at least as far as "extreme" metal goes) if you really think about it.


Cradle of filth, I don't think you can get blacker than that.


haha... you've obviously not heard Hecate Enthroned.
Makes Darkthrone sound like Justin Beiber.


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