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And again, this is a completely shallow way of looking things. The whole paradigm that there are only two possible answers- that people are helpless victims of repression, or lazy bums who need to apply themselves, is a reactionary one. It's just verbal oneupmanship about "conservatives" and "liberals" as if these are the only two viewpoints available.

Great society stuff etc. has only ever been band-aid stuff, I'm sure we agree on that...

The reason being that we live in a system that depends entirely on hierarchy- to provide people with the means to live a comfortable life as consumers, we need a cheap labour force, which means we need poorer people to make the stuff we consume and serve it to us.

On that note, another thing you could explain to me- if black people are a universal burden on white people, how come when I lived in DC pretty much every single job I needed done I had to go to a black person for? The city would have shut down without them.




Look, if you don't care what Marx said- then don't bring him up, eh? And especially, stop using "Marxist" as some stupid catch all insult.

Good for you, etc. etc., but the problems we are talking about are deeply entrenched. Really, truly, can you honestly say that saying to people "try harder" is adequate? What about the people that work hard their entire lives, and DON'T see some kind of heroic progression up the social ladder. i.e. the majority of people...

Because in this country everybody bends over backwards to give the black man a break; it's everywhere. Being a "racist" is the most cardinal of sins, and we're not allowed to really talk about these things honestly, lest we are branded with a big scarlet "R".
They really don't have any reason to complain, they have been given every oppurtunity to make something of themselves, but because of the idea that they are "owed" something has become so ingrained in their heads, they actually believe it.
Guess what, nobody owes them a damn thing. Any man that refuses to take care of himself and his family and blames it on every thing but himself is worthless and I have no use at all for them.

And I am railing, as you put it, at the system here, now, as before. The system of entitlement, excuses and the crutch of imaginary racism has failed. the past is the past. If you keep picking at a scab, it will never heal. That's the point; the government can't do it for you, you have to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY and change things yourself. I don't see any discrepancies in my argument.
What's that definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Alright then, since I know fuck all, you know, living in this country my entire life and seeing things firsthand, and all that, why don't YOU give us a solution, I'd really like to hear it.

Simply not true, IMO... In my experience the amount of news coverage/punditry etc. that accuses people spuriously of racism is outweighed ten times over by the amount of news coverage/punditry that essentially says:

"Hey you, the mainstream media thinks YOU are a racist- isn't that crazy! they call everyone a racist! Racist is such a meaningless term anyway! in fact there's no such thing as racism, just some liberal conspiracy"



The US isn't the only country on the planet... other countries including the UK have very comparable issues although in this case probably less acutely.

No solutions, here. At least none that wouldn't take hours to type out. I'm not saying you know fuck all about it... far from it. Just denying that I have to shut up and accept your opinion on something! Not something I've ever done in the past and don't intend to start now, heh.

Pleased to see that the BNP is continuing its march towards becoming a genuine political party rather than a bunch of mad fascist thugs.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 026702.ece

Or perhaps not.

Pay attention, we are talking about blacks in the US.
I don't give a damn about how the UK media works.
The media in the US is undeniably liberally biased, and I am not talking about Fox News... anyone that says otherwise is either blind and deaf or just plain full of shit.

Everybody heard about the Tiwana Brawley hoax, as well as the Duke rape hoax as well that time when those good ol' boys dragged that black man James Byrd from thre truck; it was national news... but, you take a story like the Wichita massacre, the Knoxville torture, rape and murders, the Long Beach case where a very large group of blacks beat two white girls nearly to death, while chanting kill the white bitches, etc. ... not a fucking peep, outside of local news outlets.
I could literally flood the thread with hundreds of pages of such incidents where the victims are white and the assailants are black (I won't, but I could easily), yet they are somehow never "hate crimes"... so much for equal protection under the law.
Do a little research regarding just who is committing violent crimes against whom... and at what rate, and come back and tell me about just who are the fucking victims here. How is it that rape is a crime of "poverty" or murder for bumping into somebody accidently, "cuz da bitch-azz punk disrespected me"?
Yeah, yeah, white's have their scumbags, too. That old canard falls to pieces though when you compare the rate at which these crimes occur per capita, and who is committing them agianst who.

http://tworca.org/ColorOfCrime.pdf

all of those facts are backed up by FBI data.



Like I thought, "in your opinion", etc... dude you don't know what you're talking about regarding the situation here, in the States.
I'm not talking about opinions here, I am talking about facts.

What I found most interesting is how rather than refute the things the teacher said, his politics were attacked.
I've encountered that particular tactic before; when unable to refute the message, attack the messenger.

Oh, BTW, I never said you should shut up about it, but honestly, rio, this is something that you really aren't too qualified to argue about. Just as I am not really qualified to make any claims regarding how things are in the UK.
I challenge anybody to take their white girlfriend, spouse whatever for a stroll through any of our so-called urban areas, doesn't even have to be after dark, try your luck.

You can't directly refute anecdotal evidence. All you can do is question the dude's credibility as a messenger and it's obvious from the article he's not trying particularly hard to be objective.

Just to focus on one thing, here, that's an interesting study, that Colour Of Crime thing, jointly made by this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Jobling



He sounds like what we in the UK usually call 'a racist cunt'. I would say that this disqualifies him from serious discussions on the topic. The more I look up on that organisation, the dodgier it looks.

How do you know?
Do apply that same jaded eyed to articles written that supports your particular world view?

Who cares if he is or isn't? What does that have to do with the facts laid out. They are all based on FBI reports. Nice try, shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.
Maybe he is a racist, although I don't see how advocating rights for your own race, desiring to preserve white culture, etc. is racist (funny how when black groups do so, it's not considered racist at all) but what about the DATA?
Would it make you feel better if I just pointed you in th edirection of the FBI database?
Stop dodging the issue.

So he says. For all we know, he could have made them up! Relying on racists for data is kinda loopy, non?

And seriously, no-one has ever denied that some black men commit crimes, so what issue is being dodged?

I like that.. some... 30% of black males make it to prison by age 30. Some, indeed.
You want me to post the FBI stats?
So, data is loopy, unless it shows that a minority is being oppressed and needs assistance, that is? How do you know those claims of discrimination aren't made up? yet, they are taken at face value. Be objective, please.
Selective reasoning, my friend, and you are smart enough to know it.

I thought this Jon Stewart vs Bill O'Reilly interview was interesting.

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2010 ... -unedited/

Also @US Media, I've always felt it has more of a conservative bias. Probably because the Liberal party in the US is more conservative than the Conservative party in Canada. More than anything I've noticed they have a bias towards being angry and confrontational though. Also it's weird to say "excluding Fox News" when Fox News is the most watched news channel there.



I try to, but not always. I guess a good example would be that this article did not make me happy

http://www.alternet.org/environment/140 ... s_in_2109/

I'm not denying anything. We're just taking different conclusions from the same issue, and I was objecting to said prior racist slag's nonsense. Here, a liberal source:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/au ... garyyounge

I am being objective; you don't need to run to racialists, ffs, to get proof that there's a problem. Cutting all financial programs and expecting them to work godammit is clearly not the way to stop said large proportion of people going to jail, which is more or less what rio's been saying all along.

I agree with Zad

I disagree; the same methods that have been applied to the problem for going on 50 years now have yielded atrocious results.

What is needed is a collective kick in the ass and to be told "Enough, already. Either start taking care of yourselves, or starve." If they don't murder each other first.
They need to start acting like civilzed men if they want to be treated as such.
I'll never for the life of me understand how EVERY SINGLE GROUP on the planet can make something of themselves in this country, but for one.

And I noticed the article stated that basically MORE MONEY is needed to "stop the crime"!

Are you fucking kidding me?

We have sent TRILLIONS down the drain in these dead end causes.
Why should honest hard working people, who have nothing to do with anything other than trying to make a living in this world, have to pay for a group that refuses to even try to help themselves?
And not only pay monetarily, but pay in ways such as being a likely victim of violent crime, all the while being told we're all racists?
We're talking about a group that prides themselves on their criminal activities, that scorns the steps one must take to begin to walk the path to success in this country as being "white", therefore an object of derision. A group that places more value in swagger than trying learn something useful, a group where 70% of the children have no father around, and the children often fathered by different men...

Again, are you fucking kidding me? And you wonder why people become "racist"? More money is needed? If a person keeps walking into a brick wall, and never seems to get to the other side of it, and after countless attempts decided to keep on trying, hoping for different results, you'd think that person is an idiot.

So, I'll put the same question I put to rio, to you:
What, then do you propose?
Keep in mind we are talking about a deeply ingrained mentality of "blame everybody else but myself" topped off with the view that getting an education, speaking correctly, dressing like a normal fucking human being, having to start at the bottom and work your way up, acting with self-discipline and responsibility as being "white", therefore not "keepin' it real".

More money, better targeted. Hey, it's better than whatever you're proposing; what, cut all funding and declare war on these dangerous black people who are statistically more likely to cut your throat than whites so let's somehow round them all up and put them in a ghetto?

You honestly think more of the same will do the job?
Well, who's supposed to pony this money up?
As for this:



They are already in ghettoes, which, incidentally were at one time very inhabitable.
I say, fuck 'em. They can sink or swim. If they wanna kill each other, why should I give one rat's ass? And if they cannot contain the mayhem within their own neighborhoods, then, yes, the police should do what is necessary to insure the well being of both the property and persons that actually pay for those services.
Does that sound cold-hearted? I don't care. I grew up around the fuckers and know exactly what I am talking about.
I, nor did any of my ancestors, have a damn thing to do with slavery, and the notion that all whites must pay for this (collective guilt) is BS.

Restructure the tax system so that rich people pay more than the poor, that'd be a good start. And I like how you're denying any complicity in slavery but advocating the abandonment of an entire race. Pray tell, how you would select the blacks who are capable of work, the 70% who would avoid prison, or under your system is it just a roll of the dice if the future Armstrongs and Coltranes die in the ghetto? The strong survive, huh. It's like an eighties action film. And I can't believe you actually want a situation like this.