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Foriegn names =/= blacks.
And, perhaps the reason they wern't called back are due other factors than "racism"... language barriers, where they got their degrees, etc.

At any rate

70% of children whose father left them high and dry equates to massive irresponibilty, so, yeah, it fits in with the whole thing.
And not getting married usually means not pumping out a litter of bastards now doesn't it?

Sure we have our rejects, but

a) there is no comparison between the two regarding, crime, poverty, incarceration and illiteracy.
You want FBI stats?

b) whites don't have a built in one-size-fits-all excuse.
Nor do we have institutions exclusive to white advocacy / advancment.

c) Immigration is a complicated issue; the country is in very bad shape, the last thing it needs is more uneducated, unskilled immigrants that don't even speak english. There needs to to be some form of criteria that should be met before being allowed to come here. It just makes sense.
The whole open border, come one, come all approach is crazy.

That's true, but doesn't matter if the racism is intentional or subconscious if we're discussing it being harder for black people to get jobs. Also assuming a language barrier based on a name is racism. (I thought of that too and had a second of "maybe that's why!" but then realized it didn't make anything better.)

I'm against anybody not getting the call back based on race alone.
But, you know that if a company had to choose between a white that was barely, or under qualified and a black (or whatever minority) that was perfect for the job, thus being the most likely to boost profits, that comapny, being in the business of being more profitable, will choose the black guy.

Now, in America, we have programs, fraternities, schools, television networks, contests, awards, political groups, scholarships, etc. where whites need not apply.
Is that fair?

What about this?


http://www.gmsp.org/



Some discrimination is better than others?

Fair, yes, because in the past there have been frats, scholarships etc for whites only. And I'm sure that Bill Gates has given money to white people at some point in his life.

On a different note...


The symbol with the shield and the spears is the Lega dei Ticinesi, the right wing extremist party here that wants to kick out all the foreigners.

So they're saying that native Swiss people are mountain-dwelling inbreds that rape and eat tourists?

No, the joke is that without foreigners a country as small as Switzerland will end up being a bunch of inbreds.

Oh, it's not an advert by said right-wingers? Thought it was.

Sounds like something out of Orwell.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Are you sure that Gates has offered an exclusive white scholarship, really?

At what point do we cease bending over and take being hit on the head with things that happened before any of us were born, or even came here?
I would imagine that the VAST majority of white's ancestors had nothing to do with slavery, either by virtue of said ancestors not being here yet, or not being a rich landowner.
Also, nobody ever mentions that those that were brought here were already slaves in their native Africa, they merely changed hands; and that slavery is still practiced to this very day there.
And why does the concept of collective guilt apply only to whites?
Are you saying that since 30% of black males will find themselves in prison by the age of 30, that all blacks should share that guilt, as well?

I doubt he's offered anything like that, I never said he did.

You have to look beyond slavery, really. Black people weren't equal citizens until at least the sixties, which may be beyond our memories but isn't that long ago. Shouldn't we feel bad about that? Shouldn't the English feel bad about their treatment of the Irish? Israelis about their country's treatment of the Palestinians throughout the years?

No, it's a photoshop job my friend did. The actual party's pictures are more like this:



Caption:
The Indians weren't able to stop immigration. Now they live on reservations.

Switzerland has a native indian population?

Hurrrr

Durr.

I agree that it's fair, but not for this reason. To me the best argument for Affirmative Action seems to be that it's an attempt to address the issue raised in things like the two studies I posted. Being a white male is being the norm and part of the group that is in power and thus comes with advantages. Things like scholarships aimed at women or blacks or whatever are an attempt to even the playing field. It's a pretty heavy-handed way of going at the issue, but I can't think of a better solution. This comic gets the point across pretty well.

Nobody is saying that they weren't treated like shit for a period of time, although I don't think it was an all-permeating thing.
The South was the main area of this, for the most part.
But, at some point, somebody has to step up and start making some changes in the way blacks see themselves and the world around them... this is 2010, does anybody really believe that whites are in the business of keeping anybody down?
Excuses and blame are a sure recipe for failure, you know that as well as I do.
Lets the past die, so we can all move on, already.

So, you don't think that if group a is x% of the population, their being represented according to that percentage is fair?
What about sector by sector?
In the IT industry, where I work, Asians are far over-represented compared to their actual population percentage; in pro-sports, blacks are over-represented.
Being a white male may be the norm, but by saying that the only way they made a success of themselves is due to "privilige" is, (how can I put this delicately?) insulting bullshit.
No way hard work, self sacrifice and planning for the future had anything to do with it.
And besides, there is such a thing as poverty among whites, you know. They could use a scholarship, too.

Oh, and BTW, that comic is both childishly simplistic and incorrect; it assumes that:

a) All whites are racist; all whites are to share the guilt for a few greedy landowners some 200 years ago.

b) Only blacks were treated poorly; ever hear of an indentured servant? They were white, and were treated like absolute garbage. What about the Irish, The Chinese, etc.? They all managed to prosper, generally speaking, despite massive discrimination.

c) Blacks built the nation, and whites merely profitted from it.
Bullshit.
Slavery was quarantined to a small part of the country, and was mainly argrarian; the industrial revolution is what made this country the giant it was to become, which, unless my memory fails me, occured largely after Abolition and in the Northern part of the country to boot.

Bullshit.

And what about the fact that those slaves were already slaves in their native Africa? Only a change of ownership occurred.
And they still practice slavery today there.

Finally, what does a Canadian know about life in the States?
The answer: only what they read about in books and see on TV.

And your solution to this problem?

I know what I would do if I had a non-white sounding name .. apply to twice as many places.

It reminds me of the story in the NY Post where some journalist investigated whether or not food delivery not being extended to Harlem is racist.
Never mind the safety of the delivery person.
What I'd like to see is a journalist go undercover as a delivery person, carrying food and cash, and venture into these neighborhoods after dark.
That would provide a fair analysis of the situation.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manh ... emooGadvCM

Comments are interesting.

I remember reading a story some years back where a Chinese restaraunt was called to Harlem for a delivery, and upon arrival, the punks that ordered the food beat the delivery person to death, and sat down to eat a little Kung Pao Chicken.

I'm not saying a white person's success is only because of privilege; I'm saying white dudes are privileged.



Definitely. But those scholarships aren't about poverty, they're about race and leveling the playing field. I'm not sure if I agree with them but saying they're racist oversimplifies the argument behind them.



a) It's not implying guilt, only that an advantage was gained at someone else's expense. b) It doesn't really imply that since it's focus is on white-black Americans. I'm sure whoever drew it would acknowledge that Natives were slaughtered, etc so that the USA could exist. Chinese people are great though. They work at convenience stores 12 hours a day 7 days a week and sell me food I've never heard of for really cheap. Yay them. c) You're probably right.

I guess my general point is that Affirmative Action isn't racist because it's trying to level the playing field in a society that is favourable towards white people.




I dunno, a ray gun that makes people stop being racist? It's a pretty complicated problem.



Not much, but I like debating things because then I learn!