Metal Reviews

So no political group in the world deserves rights according to you. Hm.

Har har.

That's beyond stupid. For a start, in a free country of course we give Nazis political rights. I thought your Swiss Nazis were pretty close to power at the last election, right?

There is no such thing as "political rights for Islam"- the whole concept is illogical.

There is, however, such a thing as "political rights for Muslims"- i.e. a heterogeneous group in all probability united by nothing except affiliation to a vast religious denomination. Unless you're actually prepared to argue that Muslims don't deserve as many political rights as non-Muslims, your arguments a complete non-starter, isn't it?

BTW: I edited the post I quoted by accident... pressed "edit" instead of quote... I think it's back to normal though

Well, alright, talking about "muslims" is a bit ambiguous. But I'm not talking about political rights for muslims, I'm talking about religious rights, which to me are beyond the pale arse-fucking stupid.

I don't get you... the right to whatever religious beliefs you want IS a political right... and a pretty basic one at that, IMO.

Political rights -> The right to vote, the right to initiate referendums, the right to abstain from voting, the right to join a political party.

Religious rights -> The right to practice your religion, the right to manifest your beliefs in a physical way.

Naturally I disagree with religious rights.

How would you enforce a ban on the right to practise your religion, and what would the penalties be for those caught?

Don't know :( But we can do without religious buildings. Use the money and space for libraries. Or schools.

Oh gawd, we've been through this once already. Subject change time!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/3 ... ir-alqaida

I hope something concrete comes out of this enquiry. It will probably be as big a whitewash as Butler's report.

Colour me surprised.

If i'm not mistaken you guys banned the minarets, no? Mosques are still allowed. That's not exactly an effective way to stop them from practicing their religion. It's like a church without a bell.

Baby steps...

EDIT: No, I'm joking, but the minaret is symbolic of Muslim power and expansionism rather than just faith. Hence the specification on the minaret.

Oh, someone did that for me
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread. ... #paginator

"The Muslims are always free to exercise their right to leave and go to another country if they don't like it."

Good old Chris from Nottingham. Looking at the comments, replace the Islam-related words with "star of david" "Jew" "Jewish" etc and then see how it reads.

Hey, these are your countrymen

Anyway, your referring to Jews as an analogy is an inverse of Godwin's Law. Furthermore, apart from Goldstein Baruch, I can't think of any Jewish terrorist.

Oh, I can think of thousands. Most of them are in the IDF.

Read Norman Finkelstein's latest book on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

Thanks for the links. Will read up. Am severely under-educated in Jewish crimes. Am too lazy to insert pronouns.

For someone who is always claiming to be so liberal and rational you sure do have a totalitarian streak... Aside from that, why are you just guessing wildly at what something you have precisely no idea about "signifies"?

What are you referring to? :S

And yes, when it comes to religion I have very little patience and tolerance. There is absolutely no justification for it.