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arguing about religion is pointless and boring.


I find it stimulating and challenging.


yeah ted bundy found murdering people stimulating and challenging.


Are you serious?

This is the same as saying you know Hitler also found something stimulating and challenging. It's called genocide.


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Are you serious?



Noooo he's not don't take the bait.


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SoulSociety wrote:
huskerc7 wrote:
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arguing about religion is pointless and boring.


I find it stimulating and challenging.


yeah ted bundy found murdering people stimulating and challenging.


Are you serious?

This is the same as saying you know Hitler also found something stimulating and challenging. It's called genocide.


Nah I'm just trolling/joking around.


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huskerc7 wrote:
SoulSociety wrote:
huskerc7 wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
huskerc7 wrote:
arguing about religion is pointless and boring.


I find it stimulating and challenging.


yeah ted bundy found murdering people stimulating and challenging.


Are you serious?

This is the same as saying you know Hitler also found something stimulating and challenging. It's called genocide.


Nah I'm just trolling/joking around.


On the internet if there's one thing you learn, it's never underestimate the other guy's stupidity.


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I am wondering why atheists bother to try and disprove God logically.

This is foolish. To attempt to disprove God with logic is like trying to make a sandwich with a bulldozer. The fact of the matter is that there is no coherent reason for the believers to do what we do, and that is because God transcends reason, God transcends reality, God transcends the petty squabbles of men, and God in the end transcends all things.

Atheism is the resulting final stage of a society where the people are essentially free from want; here are you and I and all of us on our wondrous computers, eating whatever food from whatever corner of the world we want, sitting atop the debaucheries of past civilizations like banana kings, and it has been roundly decided by these tip-top societies that there is no God and that humans are the kings of the universe; we may destroy what we will and everything will be just gravy in the end, we may act like brain-sick pigs surrounded by a world of mud and there will be no repercussions.

Tell that to the ones who still have want. Secular societies are sick and they are infecting all the other societies of the world. This world is transient, and for it an awful doom has been prepared.


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Atheism is the resulting final stage of a society where the people are essentially free from want; here are you and I and all of us on our wondrous computers, eating whatever food from whatever corner of the world we want, sitting atop the debaucheries of past civilizations like banana kings, and it has been roundly decided by these tip-top societies that there is no God and that humans are the kings of the universe; we may destroy what we will and everything will be just gravy in the end, we may act like brain-sick pigs surrounded by a world of mud and there will be no repercussions.

Tell that to the ones who still have want. Secular societies are sick and they are infecting all the other societies of the world. This world is transient, and for it an awful doom has been prepared.
LOL I'm even finding your rhetorical abilities rather absurd. Everything is fucking evil isn't it? christ. Atheism=/=globalization.


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Dead Machine wrote:
I am wondering why atheists bother to try and disprove God logically.

This is foolish. To attempt to disprove God with logic is like trying to make a sandwich with a bulldozer. The fact of the matter is that there is no coherent reason for the believers to do what we do, and that is because God transcends reason, God transcends reality, God transcends the petty squabbles of men, and God in the end transcends all things.

Atheism is the resulting final stage of a society where the people are essentially free from want; here are you and I and all of us on our wondrous computers, eating whatever food from whatever corner of the world we want, sitting atop the debaucheries of past civilizations like banana kings, and it has been roundly decided by these tip-top societies that there is no God and that humans are the kings of the universe; we may destroy what we will and everything will be just gravy in the end, we may act like brain-sick pigs surrounded by a world of mud and there will be no repercussions.

Tell that to the ones who still have want. Secular societies are sick and they are infecting all the other societies of the world. This world is transient, and for it an awful doom has been prepared.


perfect post.


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LOL I'm even finding your rhetorical abilities rather absurd. Everything is fucking evil isn't it? christ. Atheism=/=globalization.


A symptom is not the disease, but it is related to the disease, is it not? Could one be said to have Kaposi's Sarcoma without the purple blotches and glandular swelling?


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Atheism is the resulting final stage of a society where the people are essentially free from want


Of course! This explains why the United States, whose population has the highest level of consumption in the entire world, also has the lowest percentage of athiests.


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GeneralDiomedes wrote:
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Atheism is the resulting final stage of a society where the people are essentially free from want


Of course! This explains why the United States, whose population has the highest level of consumption in the entire world, also has the lowest percentage of athiests.


1) your argument is based in a lack of understanding concerning the incredible influence that religious folk of all sorts have had in the USA from the get-go; I would suggest that you read some comprehensive religious history books to fill this lack.
2) the lowest rates of atheism are in undeveloped countries, not in the USA. Various polls have found the rate of atheism in the USA to be anywhere from 4%-9%, as compared to the nearly nonexistent rates in, say, Senegal or Mauritania or even South Africa, one of the more developed countries in Africa.


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What you're saying is completely contradictory to Marx's writings and it makes me just realize you can distort anything as being an evil of capitalism. When people are free from God, then they are free to put their faith in themselves whether that leads to surmounting or submitting to capitalism isn't based on atheism but on their class consciousness.

Religious societies are sick. The ones that have want use religion like a crutch and without that crutch maybe they could move forward to developing a class consciousness and overthrowing those who oppress them. Religion in Africa has created witchcraft hunts in the slums; it has done nothing to turn those slums into livable habitats.

Human beings thought they were kings of the universe even when God was still around in their minds; they were just kings with divine backing then.


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What you're saying is completely contradictory to Marx's writings and it makes me just realize you can distort anything as being an evil of capitalism.


Ideology is a replacement for religion for the atheists, be it libertarianism or communism or fascism or whatever they choose to put faith in.

traptunderice wrote:
When people are free from God, then they are free to put their faith in themselves whether that leads to surmounting or submitting to capitalism isn't based on atheism but on their class consciousness.


Nobody is free from God.

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Religious societies are sick. The ones that have want use religion like a crutch and without that crutch maybe they could move forward to developing a class consciousness and overthrowing those who oppress them. Religion in Africa has created witchcraft hunts in the slums; it has done nothing to turn those slums into livable habitats.


is it therefore your contention that religion has done nothing for Africa? There's decades of charitable work by groups ranging from the Ismailiyya to the Presbyterians to prove you categorically wrong. Why do you think the Islamic Maghreb in Africa is, aside from Sudan, the best developed set of states in Africa? Do you think that it's completely unrelated to Islam?


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Did DM suddenly go nuts?

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Did DM suddenly go nuts?


I'd prefer to say I've gone sane.


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Did DM suddenly go nuts?


I'd prefer to say I've gone sane.


Through what, a religious epiphany? I'm too reeling from the bullshit you just spewed out to formulate a coherent counter.

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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Did DM suddenly go nuts?


I'd prefer to say I've gone sane.


Through what, a religious epiphany? I'm too reeling from the bullshit you just spewed out to formulate a coherent counter.


You can feel free to not formulate said counter as it would be utterly pointless. If your contention at this point is that what I have 'spewed' is 'bullshit' then I doubt that a liberal atheist from social-democratic secular Europe such as yourself and a person such as myself could ever find common ground on these issues.


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Did DM suddenly go nuts?


I'd prefer to say I've gone sane.


Through what, a religious epiphany? I'm too reeling from the bullshit you just spewed out to formulate a coherent counter.


You can feel free to not formulate said counter as it would be utterly pointless. If your contention at this point is that what I have 'spewed' is 'bullshit' then I doubt that a liberal atheist from social-democratic secular Europe such as yourself and a person such as myself could ever find common ground on these issues.


Well, I could at least attempt to postulate a string of coherent arguments supporting why I think what you're saying is bull, but you're probably right. Just avoid making gross generalizations and engaging in fallacies.

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Dead Machine wrote:
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What you're saying is completely contradictory to Marx's writings and it makes me just realize you can distort anything as being an evil of capitalism.


Ideology is a replacement for religion for the atheists, be it libertarianism or communism or fascism or whatever they choose to put faith in.
I have no ideology in my views. I'm a Marxist just like Western society is subliminally empiricists. I'm not bent on some eschatological goal of utopia. Framework of thought =/= ideology.

Dead Machine wrote:
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When people are free from God, then they are free to put their faith in themselves whether that leads to surmounting or submitting to capitalism isn't based on atheism but on their class consciousness.


Nobody is free from God.
I loled.

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Religious societies are sick. The ones that have want use religion like a crutch and without that crutch maybe they could move forward to developing a class consciousness and overthrowing those who oppress them. Religion in Africa has created witchcraft hunts in the slums; it has done nothing to turn those slums into livable habitats.


is it therefore your contention that religion has done nothing for Africa? There's decades of charitable work by groups ranging from the Ismailiyya to the Presbyterians to prove you categorically wrong. Why do you think the Islamic Maghreb in Africa is, aside from Sudan, the best developed set of states in Africa? Do you think that it's completely unrelated to Islam?
As for the Maghreb, has your epiphany made you forget the latent Leftism in the Algerian War a la some Fanon? It may also have nothing to do with them electing a socialist party over ten years ago. I can state tons of examples of religion's ill effects on Africa but what does that get us? What it boils down to is that religion is a destablizing, regressive force in a continent under harsh economic stress and oppression.


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Just avoid making gross generalizations and engaging in fallacies.
And that is your last warning from the Frig. Next time you're going to find out just what that "or else" denotes.


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