Megadeth - Endgame (#5694)

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

People like you need to be flogged with a whiffle ball bat. That was one of the most deranged and colossally stupid rants I have ever heard. I also noticed how you didn't mention anything about how Islam declares war on 'infidels' in their holy book. Oh and your '1/6th' blood crap is 100% untrue. Yes, we detained Japanese citizens. We were at war. It's called profiling. Drastic measures needed to be taken, and frankly, need to be taken now also.

oh and don't forget.. the Muslims have caused all of their own problems.

Well said. I agree.

Honestly, I think Dave Mustaine feels this country is in decline and needs to get back to its original roots. What's wrong with that? Heck, I agree with that, and that doesn't make me loony. At least the guy believes and stands for something...something that cannot be said of many other band's frontmen.

In the end it's about the musical talent for me, and End Game has that in spades. Kudos to Dave and crew for not dying out with older age. Heck, he seems to be getting better (almost RIP caliber in my opinion).

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:37 pm

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

rio · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:38 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. It's called professionalism, and that review lost it. :lame:

As a matter of fact, I meant generally speaking, rather than specifically regarding Dave. If the reviewer thinks that a musician is politically/religiously/whateverly nuts, and that impacts their own impression of the music, then that's an interesting part of a review and I welcome the reviewer mentioning it. So long as it's not addressed in a deliberately obstructive way, there's nothing unprofessional about it at all.

By the way, it's a bit wierd and futile to say that anyone criticising another persons for being crazy means they are automatically a hypocrite, because their opinion could also be seen as crazy by some others. Some opinions are surely less loony than others... if they weren't what the hell kind of world would we live in?

Adam · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:52 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

The Evil Dead wrote:

I don't remember Dave saying anything about 9/11 being an inside job, either. He just has some major critiques about our country.

All right then, so then I have no disagreement with you.

Here you go fellas:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=126748

If you go down to where the stream the interview, go to part 2 about 6 minutes in. He does say he's not a conspiracy theorist, but only after he recites a few. Then he plugs Alex Jones' Endgame and Zeitgeist.

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:57 pm

Adam wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

The Evil Dead wrote:

I don't remember Dave saying anything about 9/11 being an inside job, either. He just has some major critiques about our country.

All right then, so then I have no disagreement with you.

Here you go fellas:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=126748

If you go down to where the stream the interview, go to part 2 about 6 minutes in. He does say he's not a conspiracy theorist, but only after he recites a few. Then he plugs Alex Jones' Endgame and
Zeitgeist.

Cool, I guess. Don't really care, Dave can rave all he wants, I like the music and his lyrics/voice.

Goat wrote:

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

I'm confused as to why you really care that much, though.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:02 pm

The Evil Dead wrote:

Goat wrote:

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

I'm confused as to why you really care that much, though.

In the review, I wrote:

The silver lining of the fact that your favourite Thrash Metal band’s frontman is a mental is that he sincerely believes that stuff and his vocal performance is thus intense and verging on spinechilling, and it makes for a killer song that sadly fades out when I’d be quite happy with it continuing another few minutes at least. Dave is possibly the only person on earth who could make lyrics like “Refuse the chip? Ha! Get persecuted and beat by the tyranny of mind control, for the mark of the Beast” sound genuinely awesome.

That's the only relevance for me here. Everything else is just started by whoever it was that actually believes that shit outside of Metal albums.

Melodicmetal1 · **Joined:** Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm **Posts:** 7

Goat wrote:

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

I agree. Sometimes I think Dave writes stuff he doesn't believe. He's a well read individual, and because of that I highly doubt he thinks FEMA puts chips in us. If he does, then he's even father out in Reynolds Wrap country than I previously thought.

However, I think United Abominations was SPOT ON with regards to geopolitical views.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:03 pm

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

"Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions"."

So then I take it you are 100% against Islam. Since they do things like trick people with Mental Retardation to strap explosives to their chest to blow up innocent civilians to make their point?

Of course. All religions are dangerous, as the very nature of faith itself makes people blind to reason.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:05 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

Um. Fundies deserve nothing but ridicule and criticism from anyone who considers themselves a rational human being.

That's your opinion, and mine is that it's a stupid, ignorant opinion; probably one formed out of fear, since those type of people seem to scare you. Pathetic! Oh, and, ah...where's your proof? Oh that's right, you have none, but you speak out anyway. Again - pathetic!

Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions".

Uh huh - riiiight. :lame:

If anything Dave's beliefs are more in line with America's Founding Father's than anything else. You know, the people who actually started this country. And it just so happens they were the type of people you just described. Perhaps you want this country to turn into a socialist or communist nation? You might think it's cool if everyone was just like you, but I don't think everyone else would want that.

Anyway, back to metal folks. :dio:

The Founding Fathers were Deists, some probably atheists. As far as socialism or communism goes...
a) They are NOT the same thing, and
b) European countries work perfectly with socialist values internalized.

Holy_Terror · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:06 pm

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

Holy_Terror wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Goat wrote:

That's far too harsh.

Let's face it, Mustaine is retarded and his music equally is. And all that "back to my thrash roots" bullshit is just a way to earn more $, not an artistic statement. Plus, it's a lie, Megadeth has never been a thrash band and will never be one.

And Slayer were never Thrash but Death Metal, because most of their songs are containing Death Metal Riffs... :rolleyes:

;)

Thrash is more than the riffs and the (actually Punk) drumming. Thrash is also how the singing is and the distortion degree of the guitars. The very same riff can be classic Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal - it depends how the guitar sounds. E.G.. The classic Iron Maiden galloping riff (e.g.: Caught Somewhere in Time) played with a more distorted guitar (like on Conjuring or Endgame Title Track) could be considered as Thrash. Also has thrash metal a not so melodic singing like normal Metal.

And if you mix thrash metal guitars and riffs with melodic singing of Heavy Metal, you get US Power Metal like Iced Earth.

While I agree with certain things that you've said....I still don't think that Megadeth is thrash metal, nor has it ever been.

And the claim that Dave Mustaine can back up the claim that he is one of the best all time is pure fucking nonesence. Paco de Lucia would run circles around his stupid born again ass. So would Andres Segovia, Uli Jon Roth, Michael Schenker, Charlie Steinhauer, Lee Altus, Gary Holt, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Pssst Iced Earth are Canadian

No they are not. Iced Earth is an American heavy metal band....they're an american band. Don't try to correct someone with incorrect information and then try to make it seem like you were being clever.

Melodicmetal1 · **Joined:** Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm **Posts:** 7

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

"Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions"."

So then I take it you are 100% against Islam. Since they do things like trick people with Mental Retardation to strap explosives to their chest to blow up innocent civilians to make their point?

Of course. All religions are dangerous, as the very nature of faith itself makes people blind to reason.

We agree there. well said

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

Goat wrote:

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

Do you honestly believe Dave truly thinks and believes that? Ever heard of Science Fiction? And even if he does, who cares? It's a cool topic to sing about.

Do you hate every fictional movie because it's just not plausible or real? If so, I pity you.

rio wrote:

Some opinions are surely less loony than others... if they weren't what the hell kind of world would we live in?

I am not disagreeing with that at all.

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

Goat wrote:

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

I agree. Sometimes I think Dave writes stuff he doesn't believe. He's a well read individual, and because of that I highly doubt he thinks FEMA puts chips in us. If he does, then he's even father out in Reynolds Wrap country than I previously thought.

However, I think United Abominations was SPOT ON with regards to geopolitical views.

Bingo

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

"Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions"."

So then I take it you are 100% against Islam. Since they do things like trick people with Mental Retardation to strap explosives to their chest to blow up innocent civilians to make their point?

Of course. All religions are dangerous, as the very nature of faith itself makes people blind to reason.

Says you. That's a very ignorant statement. One bad religion doesn't mean all are bad. One bad apple doesn't mean you should disregard an entire organization. Besides, not all religions believe the same thing, so really it's like comparing apples to oranges.

FrigidSymphony wrote:

The Founding Fathers were Deists, some probably atheists. As far as socialism or communism goes...
a) They are NOT the same thing, and
b) European countries work perfectly with socialist values internalized.

Did you learn from a different history book than the rest of the U.S. citizens? Our founding father's were all very religious, and feared God. Read the Constitution and read about the history of how this country came to be. "God bless America," "In God we trust." Heck, it's even printed on our currency and in our Pledge of Allegiance. Come on now...now who's the conspiracy theorist. :rolleyes:

Anything that has power and can be abused could be considered dangerous. But if you think like that then everything in this world is dangerous so you should just hide under your bed in your home. Oh, and don't listen to Heavy Metal - it's dangerous. :rolleyes:

Come on now!

You are free to make your own opinions, but try to back them with facts first. All religions make people blind to reason? HA! Prove it! Sure, some of them are, but not all of them, so don't give me the one bad egg out the batch example. There will always be someone who abused the power/system, but not everyone follows suit.

Anyway, this is kind of a stupid topic to be ranting on and on about here in the End Game thread. I think we can all agree to that. Whether you're a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Satanist, Cannibal, someone who bangs animals, etc, End Game is a good album so give it a listen, regardless of whether you agree with the lyrics or not. I doubt the lyrics will ruin it for you.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:10 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Melodicmetal1 wrote:

"Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions"."

So then I take it you are 100% against Islam. Since they do things like trick people with Mental Retardation to strap explosives to their chest to blow up innocent civilians to make their point?

Of course. All religions are dangerous, as the very nature of faith itself makes people blind to reason.

This boring bullshit again?
Give it a rest, already.
It's boring.
STOP BORING EVERYBODY!

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:21 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

Goat wrote:

"Get back to its roots" does not equal OH NOES F.E.M.A. PUT CHIPS IN YOUR BRAINS!!111

Do you honestly believe Dave truly thinks and believes that? Ever heard of Science Fiction? And even if he does, who cares? It's a cool topic to sing about.

Do you hate every fictional movie because it's just not plausible or real? If so, I pity you.

Yes and yes and explained above and no, respectively. You're starting to repeat yourself, now.

As for the founding fathers, boom. Fridge is right that they weren't Christian.

Mike · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:15 pm

On a totally unrelated topic: I can't get enough of this CD and 'Zadster' you provided a fantastic review. Thank you

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:16 pm

Raven wrote:

On a totally unrelated topic: I can't get enough of this CD and 'Zadster' you provided a fantastic review. Thank you

Heh, thanks, I knew wading through the shit would be worth it in the end.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

Goat wrote:

Yes and yes and explained above and no, respectively. You're starting to repeat yourself, now.

As for the founding fathers, boom. Fridge is right that they weren't Christian.

I never said the founding father's were Christians. I said they were God fearing men, and it's obvious they were. After all, a Deist believes in God and that God created the world, and Deism is a religion. So BOOM, right back at ya.

You must be arguing with someone else, because I never argued they were Christians. I guess I DO have to repeat myself so you'll eventually fathom what I am saying.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:38 pm

This is getting ridiculous - deists believe in a supreme being, yes, but are far from what the usual meaning of "god-fearing men" is. You said they were "very religious" before - deists aren't necessarily.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:45 pm

In addition, "In God We Trust" was printed on the paper bills in the '50s as a result of McCarthyism; the "under God" part of the pledge of allegiance was added during this time period as well. Jefferson even rewrote the fucking Bible taking out all references to Jesus' divinity, secularizing it.

As far as religions go: Faith is by definition the belief in that for which there is no evidence. Manipulation ahoy. All you need is sheeple with faith and a figure who claims divine authority to get arma-motherfucking-geddon.

Mike · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:46 pm

The 'founding fathers' abhorred religion in any form. They may have had a respect for whatever force/power created the universe, however they all agreed that religion has no place within our government.

As for Mustaine, he's been rather outspoken about his positions and if his personal beliefs or politics surface in an album via the lyris then a reviewer has the right to openly discuss that material.

What in the hell is the big deal over all of this? It's music. Zad wrote a review in line with the material. Why are so many panties in a bunch around here?

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