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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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Speaking personally, I missed those uses of the word before, but I'd have come down heavy: the rules are there for a reason, y'all. Please, let's have these sorts of discussions without resorting to that sort of slur, whether meant seriously or no.


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Sorry if you felt attacked, that wasn't my intention.


Well i didn't mean attacked really, more like 'addressing'. And I don't have as big of a problem with overweight people as my posts might suggest, and I hope nobody took it as a personal attack. I was just a little frustrated coming back to north america after my european vacation.


I would be too. Always wanted to go to Europe.
It's all cool, I don't really have a problem with blacks in general, as my posts may suggest; but I really have no use for niggers, and yes there is a big difference, at least in the U.S., as I am sure you know.

Drinks all around, wot?


Less of the slurs, please. Consider yourself warned, and expect a ban next time.


Ban me now, then. Bet you were just waiting for an excuse, weren't you.

because I am not the first to say it:

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than "kill dem yellow nigger chinks 'cause they eat rice and live in the bush".


Did you warn Traptunderice, as well?

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What's wrong about Oslo? To many niggers, like Varg said


or AlexandeR?


It was clear in the prior cases that they were being ironic. Your usage seemed to me at least to be in a far more derogatory fashion.


A slur is a slur.
And I ONLY used it to illustrate the difference; what would you have preferred?
I could see your point if I meant that towards all blacks, but, like I said, it was used to point out the difference between.
And for the record "white trash" is a slur, and I have seen that here as well.

Anyway, duly noted.


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I think certain people should be targeted by the government if they're incapable of controlling themselves.


Should you be targeted by the gov. for drinking too much?


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Meh, I never cause a public nuisance and it's very rare now that I get dangerously drunk. I've had enough to know my limits and I stick to them.


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Still, unless you can't control yourself when it comes to chasing kids through the streets with a chainsaw, then having the government step in because they decided that you can't "control yourself" seems like a massive invasion on their part and seems to approach totalitarianism.


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Obviously I'm not advocating anything like what you're suggesting, before rio appears and accuses me of fascism again. But in certain extreme cases, something should be done - smackheads with kids, for example. People so fat they become one with the sofa. Etc.


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New topic- Should the Lockerbie Bomber be released?

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New topic- Should the Lockerbie Bomber be released?


Yes .. in midair

stole that one from another site


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This healthcare thing in Amurrica at the moment is far more interesting.

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The Town Hall Mob
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: August 6, 2009

There’s a famous Norman Rockwell painting titled “Freedom of Speech,” depicting an idealized American town meeting. The painting, part of a series illustrating F.D.R.’s “Four Freedoms,” shows an ordinary citizen expressing an unpopular opinion. His neighbors obviously don’t like what he’s saying, but they’re letting him speak his mind.

That’s a far cry from what has been happening at recent town halls, where angry protesters — some of them, with no apparent sense of irony, shouting “This is America!” — have been drowning out, and in some cases threatening, members of Congress trying to talk about health reform.

Some commentators have tried to play down the mob aspect of these scenes, likening the campaign against health reform to the campaign against Social Security privatization back in 2005. But there’s no comparison. I’ve gone through many news reports from 2005, and while anti-privatization activists were sometimes raucous and rude, I can’t find any examples of congressmen shouted down, congressmen hanged in effigy, congressmen surrounded and followed by taunting crowds.

And I can’t find any counterpart to the death threats at least one congressman has received.

So this is something new and ugly. What’s behind it?

Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, has compared the scenes at health care town halls to the “Brooks Brothers riot” in 2000 — the demonstration that disrupted the vote count in Miami and arguably helped send George W. Bush to the White House. Portrayed at the time as local protesters, many of the rioters were actually G.O.P. staffers flown in from Washington.

But Mr. Gibbs is probably only half right. Yes, well-heeled interest groups are helping to organize the town hall mobs. Key organizers include two Astroturf (fake grass-roots) organizations: FreedomWorks, run by the former House majority leader Dick Armey, and a new organization called Conservatives for Patients’ Rights.

The latter group, by the way, is run by Rick Scott, the former head of Columbia/HCA, a for-profit hospital chain. Mr. Scott was forced out of that job amid a fraud investigation; the company eventually pleaded guilty to charges of overbilling state and federal health plans, paying $1.7 billion — yes, that’s “billion” — in fines. You can’t make this stuff up.

But while the organizers are as crass as they come, I haven’t seen any evidence that the people disrupting those town halls are Florida-style rent-a-mobs. For the most part, the protesters appear to be genuinely angry. The question is, what are they angry about?

There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.

Now, people who don’t know that Medicare is a government program probably aren’t reacting to what President Obama is actually proposing. They may believe some of the disinformation opponents of health care reform are spreading, like the claim that the Obama plan will lead to euthanasia for the elderly. (That particular claim is coming straight from House Republican leaders.) But they’re probably reacting less to what Mr. Obama is doing, or even to what they’ve heard about what he’s doing, than to who he is.

That is, the driving force behind the town hall mobs is probably the same cultural and racial anxiety that’s behind the “birther” movement, which denies Mr. Obama’s citizenship. Senator Dick Durbin has suggested that the birthers and the health care protesters are one and the same; we don’t know how many of the protesters are birthers, but it wouldn’t be surprising if it’s a substantial fraction.

And cynical political operators are exploiting that anxiety to further the economic interests of their backers.

Does this sound familiar? It should: it’s a strategy that has played a central role in American politics ever since Richard Nixon realized that he could advance Republican fortunes by appealing to the racial fears of working-class whites.

Many people hoped that last year’s election would mark the end of the “angry white voter” era in America. Indeed, voters who can be swayed by appeals to cultural and racial fear are a declining share of the electorate.

But right now Mr. Obama’s backers seem to lack all conviction, perhaps because the prosaic reality of his administration isn’t living up to their dreams of transformation. Meanwhile, the angry right is filled with a passionate intensity.

And if Mr. Obama can’t recapture some of the passion of 2008, can’t inspire his supporters to stand up and be heard, health care reform may well fail.


Politicians receiving death threats! In public! Over health care reform! :blink:


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Source, Zad?

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Oops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/opini ... ugman.html


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Christ, Mexico.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXYkTo-_MlA

What is going on over there? Cartels need Arnie to come and do his thang.


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Bloody hell.

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Afghanistan passes 'barbaric' law diminishing women's rights
Rehashed legislation allows husbands to deny wives food if they fail to obey sexual demands

Jon Boone in Kandahar
guardian.co.uk, Friday 14 August 2009 14.17 BST

Afghanistan has quietly passed a law permitting Shia men to deny their wives food and sustenance if they refuse to obey their husbands' sexual demands, despite international outrage over an earlier version of the legislation which President Hamid Karzai had promised to review.

The new final draft of the legislation also grants guardianship of children exclusively to their fathers and grandfathers, and requires women to get permission from their husbands to work.

"It also effectively allows a rapist to avoid prosecution by paying 'blood money' to a girl who was injured when he raped her," the US charity Human Rights Watch said.

In early April, Barack Obama and Gordon Brown joined an international chorus of condemnation when the Guardian revealed that the earlier version of the law legalised rape within marriage, according to the UN.

Although Karzai appeared to back down, activists say the revised version of the law still contains repressive measures and contradicts the Afghan constitution and international treaties signed by the country.

Islamic law experts and human rights activists say that although the language of the original law has been changed, many of the provisions that alarmed women's rights groups remain, including this one: "Tamkeen is the readiness of the wife to submit to her husband's reasonable sexual enjoyment, and her prohibition from going out of the house, except in extreme circumstances, without her husband's permission. If any of the above provisions are not followed by the wife she is considered disobedient."

The law has been backed by the hardline Shia cleric Ayatollah Mohseni, who is thought to have influence over the voting intentions of some of the country's Shias, which make up around 20% of the population. Karzai has assiduously courted such minority leaders in the run up to next Thursday's election, which is likely to be a close run thing, according to a poll released yesterday.

Human Rights Watch, which has obtained a copy of the final law, called on all candidates to pledge to repeal the law, which it says contradicts Afghanistan's own constitution.

The group said that Karzai had "made an unthinkable deal to sell Afghan women out in the support of fundamentalists in the August 20 election".

Brad Adams, the organisation's Asia director, said: "The rights of Afghan women are being ripped up by powerful men who are using women as pawns in manoeuvres to gain power.

"These kinds of barbaric laws were supposed to have been relegated to the past with the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001, yet Karzai has revived them and given them his official stamp of approval."

The latest opinion poll by US democracy group the International Republican Institute showed that although Karzai was up 13 points to 44% since the last survey in May, his closest rival, Abdullah Abdullah, had soared from 7% to 26%.

If those numbers prove accurate, it would mean the contest would have to go to a second round run-off vote in early October. In that scenario, 50% of voters said they would vote for Karzai and 29% for Abdullah.

The survey was conducted in mid to late July, so it is not known whether Abdullah has made further gains on Karzai.

He could further increase his chance of victory by joining forces with Ashraf Ghani, the former finance minister who is also running on a platform fiercely critical of Karzai.

Fifty-eight per cent of the 2,400 people polled by IRI said they would like to see an alliance between Abdullah and Ghani, who is polling in fourth place.


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Dammit, man, provide a link! I searched the guardian for Jon Boone and couldn't find it.

But yeah, Islam is fucked up.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090801/ap_ ... sacrifices

Look out, Goatster, you're a legal sacrifice!

The question now is, we can sacrifice them, but can we fuck them? Has anyone asked the goat?

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Dammit, man, provide a link! I searched the guardian for Jon Boone and couldn't find it.

But yeah, Islam is fucked up.
I don't know if I want to blame Islam on this. I think the whole male culture of the Middle East is fucked up.


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Lockerbie dude should be released immediately. Vengeance does not equal justice and he may not have done it anyway.

Also, the Afghanistan government is fucked. Look, these are the choices for the presidency, the ones that stand a chance of winning:

1. A former warlord who has gone 'legit' and uses his vast fortune to do whatever he wants, including appointing huge numbers of people to the government so it's full of his loyalists regardless of who is elected.
2. A former warlord from the Northern Alliance, which was a US-backed coalition of ex-Mujahideen (those fuckers who ran Afghanistan to shit before the Taliban took over) who has gone 'legit.'
3. A former World Bank official.

these guys are fucked so why don't we stop thinking about their woman's rights for like twenty minutes and then consider their screwed position.


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The only answer is nukes. Seriously, what is there to lose?


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The only answer is nukes. Seriously, what is there to lose?

So you want to bomb a desert to make it a desert? :wink:


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
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The only answer is nukes. Seriously, what is there to lose?

So you want to bomb a desert to make it a desert? :wink:


At least it will stop them playing camel rugby with my dead brothers and sisters.


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