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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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FFS... I quite clearly said that blacks hate mexicans and mentioned Jews hating Arabs. Obviously the 54.23982838% thing was tongue in cheek (statistics are made up hurr) and I never implied that whites are never the victims of racism by saying that blacks, jews and muslims have been spat on in the street. Does not follow.


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Of course, the big question is, are we counting the house of blues and its white pseudo bluesmen as a "crime" or not? Because that might tip the balance.


I expected something retarded like this from you, and you didn't disappoint.

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FFS... I quite clearly said that blacks hate mexicans and mentioned Jews hating Arabs. Obviously the 54.23982838% thing was tongue in cheek (statistics are made up hurr) and I never implied that whites are never the victims of racism by saying that blacks, jews and muslims have been spat on in the street. Does not follow.


Why so bent out of shape because I point out that whites are targeted by racial hate, as well?
Yeah, whatever you say.
The fact that you got so jacked up over karma's post says otherwise, but go ahead and have the last word.


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I'm not bent out of shape, you're creating things from my posts that don't exist. You didn't point that whites get hated too out, you accused me of ignoring it. And I think the snippet from the interview I posted explains any 'jackings up'.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
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Of course, the big question is, are we counting the house of blues and its white pseudo bluesmen as a "crime" or not? Because that might tip the balance.


I expected something retarded like this from you, and you didn't disappoint.

Good job.


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I'm not bent out of shape, you're creating things from my posts that don't exist. You didn't point that whites get hated too out, you accused me of ignoring it. And I think the snippet from the interview I posted explains any 'jackings up'.


Two things:
1) The fact that Obama got elected may not indicate that racism is dead, (again, the implication of this very statement is that whites are the racists and never t'other way around) is of course false. BUT, it is an indication that racism being this all-permeating thing is way overplayed, and I can guaran-fucking-tee you that if he had lost, racism would have been trotted out, right on que.

2) Again, your glaring omission implies that blacks jews and muslims are on the recieving end, whilst (who else?) whites are the haters. This is complete bull, and is the same tune that is played constantly in regards to race. The old double standard.


Perfect example:
During the '08 elections, there was a case of black panthers with clubs intimidating white voters in some city, (I want to say Philly, but I don't recall); well, there were no charges brougt on, and it really wasn't broadcast on a lot of news outlets.
Now, imagine for a second if a few Hammerskins with bats were at the voting place intimidating black voters; they would have been arrested... it would have made national headlines and you can bet your ass they would have been brought up on charges.
Anybody that says there is no double standard regarding race - issues in the U.S. is either stupid or a liar.


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I agree.
The only reason why it will so vehemently opposed, is because the points the dude brought up are totally valid and the self-hating bleeding heart liberals really have no answer for them.


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That whole black panthers thing did make national news and it only happened in one voting venue and was taken care of rather quickly. However, Hannity talked about it his entire show that night rather than talking about election results and talked about it for three ensuing days on his radio show. And yes it was Philadelphia.

Racism perpetrated against non-whites is based on actually hating someone for being a certain skin color. It has nothing to do with any substantial reasoning besides hatred for the foreign or different. It's instilled in individuals by their culture and it only creates simplistic conservative feelings of hatred. It's not productive insofar as it excludes.

Racism perpetrated against whites is usually a rash retaliation against an individual's particular environment or treatment at the hands of society. White males as the founder of our government and the standard holder of power bear so much more symbolic value than just being different. They are the ones who have persecuted, subjugated and excluded the poor, colored and different. To equivocate the two forms of racism is dumb. I'm sure there are blacks and jews who stand for the bigoted racism of hating people for being a different shade but when utilized properly hatred against the standard-bearers is productive. I'm not pardoning this form of racism by any means but it's alot more understandable than "kill dem yellow nigger chinks 'cause they eat rice and live in the bush". Insofar as it's understandable it still needs to be eliminated; I'm just alot less quicker to condemn it.


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Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:


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Racism perpetrated against whites is usually a rash retaliation against an individual's particular environment or treatment at the hands of society. White males as the founder of our government and the standard holder of power bear so much more symbolic value than just being different. They are the ones who have persecuted, subjugated and excluded the poor, colored and different. To equivocate the two forms of racism is dumb. I'm sure there are blacks and jews who stand for the bigoted racism of hating people for being a different shade but when utilized properly hatred against the standard-bearers is productive. I'm not pardoning this form of racism by any means but it's alot more understandable than "kill dem yellow nigger chinks 'cause they eat rice and live in the bush". Insofar as it's understandable it still needs to be eliminated; I'm just alot less quicker to condemn it.


My thoughts exactly.


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So I'm watching this video, turning off my Mastodon, HoF, Converge, Dethklok playlist, sadly.

So where is racism this douchebag asks? http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html I hope some people here have read Peggy Macintosh's White Privilege. It just describes how subtle acts are different for someone who is treated differently due to their skin color which white people, as the power holder in contemporary Western society, simply don't notice.

Being leery of an amorphous, complex subject? Wow that's some bullshit. People can't define anything when pressed. Americans lack the ability to express their thoughts. I'm sure this guy didn't pick and choose what interviews he used in his editing. He asks for everyday occurrences and then criticizes when it isn't equivalent to the holocaust as if there is some apartheid going on under our noses. Being patronized is just as offensive as being called a derogatory term.

As for the NBA shit, people fail to explain things in socio-economic terms because of a negation of Marxism from our everyday thinking but whatever.

Jesse Jackson is a racist. This guy is failing to recognize that non-whites are in a lower socio-economic cultural status still. Whites are in a position of power still. There is a disconnect but whatever he fails at recognizing it.

The beauty of ideology is that it can hide itself and fall under the radar.

This guy wants to say that crimes against white aren't usually considered hate crimes. Social reasonings are always drawn on to rationalize them as not hate crimes. He needs to explain where racism against non-whites comes from beyond just a simple whites hate people for their skin color.


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Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:
Wait, what? :unsure: Palin is so stupid that voting for her would have to be to avoid giving the black guy power?


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Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:
Wait, what? :unsure: Palin is so stupid that voting for her would have to be to avoid giving the black guy power?


You assume that people voting for a conservative is race based.

What was that about stupid?


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Goat wrote:
Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:
Wait, what? :unsure: Palin is so stupid that voting for her would have to be to avoid giving the black guy power?

Well, they voted for Bush (twice!) so anything can happen... :rolleyes:


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Every single founder of America was white and male because they excluded women and blacks from being citizens. It's also a male nation and a Christian nation. Yeah whites established this country based off of the work done by women in the kitchen and home and by the work done by blacks in the field. White sat in their arm chairs and signed some papers. Even the poor whites were excluded as being citizens so even the whites you could respect, the hard working laborers, were excluded.

White's treatment of Native Americans isn't an exclusive mistreatment. It happened from before we established our country and well on into the 1900s. Indians fought wars amongst themselves on equal terms and levels of threat. Whites exploited indians through war but also, also through legal coercion and genocide in the form of a totally unbalanced slaughtering of people which were no direct threat to us. White people don't need advocates because they're in the stable middle class if not in power. Poor whites do have advocates and should.

Americans being racist towards Mexicans? What a surprise. Race is only a social construct but it's a construct we can't get rid of. People aren't poor or rich naturally. It's a social construct and you can't get rid of it so easily. Race is a social status that has been inferred on people and it can't be eliminated so easily. That guy is an idiot. Sex and gender are social constructs. There are 37 give or take different genders which we refuse to recognize and reduce to male or female but whatever. Documentary over and I've rambled through all the bullshit.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
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Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:
Wait, what? :unsure: Palin is so stupid that voting for her would have to be to avoid giving the black guy power?


You assume that people voting for a conservative is race based.

What was that about stupid?
I wasn't sure what Zad was saying and i was trying to clarify. Voting for Palin isn't just voting for a conservative. It's voting for a blatant idiot but whatever.


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traptunderice wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
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Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:
Wait, what? :unsure: Palin is so stupid that voting for her would have to be to avoid giving the black guy power?


You assume that people voting for a conservative is race based.

What was that about stupid?
I wasn't sure what Zad was saying and i was trying to clarify. Voting for Palin isn't just voting for a conservative. It's voting for a blatant idiot but whatever.

Bush son: Twice!
Reagan: Twice!

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So I'm watching this video, turning off my Mastodon, HoF, Converge, Dethklok playlist, sadly.

So where is racism this douchebag asks? http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html I hope some people here have read Peggy Macintosh's White Privilege. It just describes how subtle acts are different for someone who is treated differently due to their skin color which white people, as the power holder in contemporary Western society, simply don't notice.

Being leery of an amorphous, complex subject? Wow that's some bullshit. People can't define anything when pressed. Americans lack the ability to express their thoughts. I'm sure this guy didn't pick and choose what interviews he used in his editing. He asks for everyday occurrences and then criticizes when it isn't equivalent to the holocaust as if there is some apartheid going on under our noses. Being patronized is just as offensive as being called a derogatory term.

As for the NBA shit, people fail to explain things in socio-economic terms because of a negation of Marxism from our everyday thinking but whatever.

Jesse Jackson is a racist. This guy is failing to recognize that non-whites are in a lower socio-economic cultural status still. Whites are in a position of power still. There is a disconnect but whatever he fails at recognizing it.

The beauty of ideology is that it can hide itself and fall under the radar.

This guy wants to say that crimes against white aren't usually considered hate crimes. Social reasonings are always drawn on to rationalize them as not hate crimes. He needs to explain where racism against non-whites comes from beyond just a simple whites hate people for their skin color.


Assuming that whites hate because of difference in skin color, whilst blacks do so because they are persecuted bullshit.
Prove this.
Can you cite personal examples outside of the occasional nutjob, of whites hating blacks because they are darker? And I am not talking about generations ago.
"Subtle" racism? Hahaha, thats a joke; so looking at a black person the wrong way is "racist"? Newsflash: if I am walking on the streets at night and there is a female wlking towards me and there is no one else around, she is going to act defensive; can you blame here?
There are many whites living below the poverty line, why don't they have the luxury of blaming that on somebody else?

The fact that you resort to namecalling is an indication of a lack of a valid argument.
So, you are saying that ALL whites should just accept this "racial retaliation" due to events that neither side had a single thing to do with?
Fuck that.


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traptunderice wrote:
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Not to mention that the only possible reason for someone like Palin getting into power IS racism. :ph34r:
Wait, what? :unsure: Palin is so stupid that voting for her would have to be to avoid giving the black guy power?


Anything to avoid black guy, even voting in Palin, yeah.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
So I'm watching this video, turning off my Mastodon, HoF, Converge, Dethklok playlist, sadly.

So where is racism this douchebag asks? http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html I hope some people here have read Peggy Macintosh's White Privilege. It just describes how subtle acts are different for someone who is treated differently due to their skin color which white people, as the power holder in contemporary Western society, simply don't notice.

Being leery of an amorphous, complex subject? Wow that's some bullshit. People can't define anything when pressed. Americans lack the ability to express their thoughts. I'm sure this guy didn't pick and choose what interviews he used in his editing. He asks for everyday occurrences and then criticizes when it isn't equivalent to the holocaust as if there is some apartheid going on under our noses. Being patronized is just as offensive as being called a derogatory term.

As for the NBA shit, people fail to explain things in socio-economic terms because of a negation of Marxism from our everyday thinking but whatever.

Jesse Jackson is a racist. This guy is failing to recognize that non-whites are in a lower socio-economic cultural status still. Whites are in a position of power still. There is a disconnect but whatever he fails at recognizing it.

The beauty of ideology is that it can hide itself and fall under the radar.

This guy wants to say that crimes against white aren't usually considered hate crimes. Social reasonings are always drawn on to rationalize them as not hate crimes. He needs to explain where racism against non-whites comes from beyond just a simple whites hate people for their skin color.


Assuming that whites hate because of difference in skin color, whilst blacks do so because they are persecuted bullshit.
Prove this.
Can you cite personal examples outside of the occasional nutjob, of whites hating blacks because they are darker? And I am not talking about generations ago.
"Subtle" racism? Hahaha, thats a joke; so looking at a black person the wrong way is "racist"? Newsflash: if I am walking on the streets at night and there is a female wlking towards me and there is no one else around, she is going to act defensive; can you blame here?
There are many whites living below the poverty line, why don't they have the luxury of blaming that on somebody else?

The fact that you resort to namecalling is an indication of a lack of a valid argument.
So, you are saying that ALL whites should just accept this "racial retaliation" due to events that neither side had a single thing to do with?
Fuck that.
Why else do whites hate black people? Blacks have been in a lower socio-economic status for centuries. I know countless people who say blacks just aren't equal to white people or have all of these contrived BS reasonings for why whites are superior yet they're all not true so to me they have no reasoning besides a hatred of what is different.

If you would've read the list, subtle racism happens. Black people are barred from buying houses in certain communities for fear of property rates declining. That is subtle racism. Yeah black people aren't being lynched but their being discriminated against in ways which would be unimaginable to a white person.

Poor whites do have the luxury of blaming their plight on the owners of the means of production.

Resorting to name calling? I didn't care to recognize the guy's last name and type it over and over again. Gary something rather. Whites shouldn't accept racism but they need to recognize where it stems from in order to get over it.


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