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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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Oh, sure, I'm not a fan of partisan politics. It's not the party that's in the right, it's the various theories and ideologies. As far as that goes, I guess I'd consider myself a social democrat.

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Watching some stuff about the health care bill on TV riles me up. People are ferocious with their vitriol on the topic to the point where it's disgusting. I would've never imagined shit like this going on when Clinton was president. I'm blaming it on just a general antipathy towards Obama. I hate to say it but politics never made people this angry before why start now that he wants to give care to everyone if they want it. People's use of totalitarianism, socialism, communism and fascism has been on a rise the last few weeks. The fact that they throw those four together, no matter what your opinions on the four are, shows that these people are idiots cause those ideas simply aren't synonyms.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Oh, sure, I'm not a fan of partisan politics. It's not the party that's in the right, it's the various theories and ideologies. As far as that goes, I guess I'd consider myself a social democrat.


reformist pig.


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Maoist scum.


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Watching some stuff about the health care bill on TV riles me up. People are ferocious with their vitriol on the topic to the point where it's disgusting. I would've never imagined shit like this going on when Clinton was president. I'm blaming it on just a general antipathy towards Obama. I hate to say it but politics never made people this angry before why start now that he wants to give care to everyone if they want it. People's use of totalitarianism, socialism, communism and fascism has been on a rise the last few weeks. The fact that they throw those four together, no matter what your opinions on the four are, shows that these people are idiots cause those ideas simply aren't synonyms.


Yeah, what are your guys' opinions of the healthcare debate in the US? If you don't already know, basically the majority of Americans want healthcare reform and liberals especially are pushing for universal healthcare. But, a loud conservative minority is shooting a lot of this down...another point to know is that some liberals are angry that Obama is compromising on the effort rather than just pushing through totally universal healthcare. I'd be especially interested to hear from some of the Europeans who maybe live in countries that already have socialized medicine--does it work?

Personally, I'm all for socializing medicine. The amount that people have to pay is absolutely ridiculous and healthcare costs have ruined many people's lives...not to mention those that don't receive treatment because their insurance doesn't cover it.


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Socializing medicine would be a step up. I've never had a complaint with European medical systems, and I've experienced the British one (albeit as a very young child), the French, the Italian, and the Swiss. I was debating people on facebook for a bit, it's scary how many people are paranoid about "socialism" becoming "communism" and having the government "control when we have to die".

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As I said before, I'm truly incensed that they're using Daily Mail horror stories as 'proof' of the "socialist uselessness" of the NHS, something which may sometimes fuck up but which overall is wonderful. Stop complaining about rude nurses and rubbish food, and try spending all the money you spent on adverts on making the system better, you profit-chasing fucks. England + France + Canada (yes, I admit it) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> da US of A.


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The U.S. healthcare system is a disaster.
Something has to be done; it is an outrage that insurance companies can fleece the public the way they do.
Do not get me started on this countries sick fucking joke of a government, Wall Street and the insurance industry.
Filthy swine, every last one of them.


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http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=1084394769627714346

Fantastic documentary on racism.


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After a brief flick-through, all I can say is HURRRRRRR. Blacks hate mexicans?! O RLY? Black people, who complain about racism, can be racists? Like teh Jews in Israel and teh Ay-rabs? :rolleyes: Tell every black, Jew and Muslim ever spat on in the street that racism is a social construct, see what they say.

FFS. Selective interviews making a few ignoramuses look bad = A DOCUMENTARY ON RACISM! Only online. And fuck off, google video, stop taking over my screen with your nonsense. At least YouTube just takes up a bit.

Oh, and Craig wotsit is a retard

http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/03/15/int ... bout-race/

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RNVNA: The term racism has been invented by the Jewish man from USSR, Leon Trotsky but why is it used only to defame and attack whites? Can any other race be “racist”?
Craig Bodeker: Only if we agree on a defintion of “racist,” And there’s no money, for the Racism Industry, in providing one. It’s a main point I make in A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE.
RNVNA: Why are whites so scared to be labeled as “racist”?
Craig Bodeker: Whites are only allowed, once again according to PC doctrine, one of TWO positions on the subject of their own race; Indifference is one.
And SUPREMACY is the other! If you’re not indifferent, you MUST BE A WHITE-SUPREMACIST!


Quite apart from that mentalist, anyone that says hurrr election of a black president means that racism is dead really doesn't understand much.


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After a brief flick-through, all I can say is HURRRRRRR. Blacks hate mexicans?! O RLY? Black people, who complain about racism, can be racists? Like teh Jews in Israel and teh Ay-rabs? :rolleyes: Tell every black, Jew and Muslim ever spat on in the street that racism is a social construct, see what they say.

FFS. Selective interviews making a few ignoramuses look bad = A DOCUMENTARY ON RACISM! Only online. And fuck off, google video, stop taking over my screen with your nonsense. At least YouTube just takes up a bit.

Oh, and Craig wotsit is a retard

http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/03/15/int ... bout-race/

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RNVNA: The term racism has been invented by the Jewish man from USSR, Leon Trotsky but why is it used only to defame and attack whites? Can any other race be “racist”?
Craig Bodeker: Only if we agree on a defintion of “racist,” And there’s no money, for the Racism Industry, in providing one. It’s a main point I make in A CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE.
RNVNA: Why are whites so scared to be labeled as “racist”?
Craig Bodeker: Whites are only allowed, once again according to PC doctrine, one of TWO positions on the subject of their own race; Indifference is one.
And SUPREMACY is the other! If you’re not indifferent, you MUST BE A WHITE-SUPREMACIST!


Quite apart from that mentalist, anyone that says hurrr election of a black president means that racism is dead really doesn't understand much.


yeah, because whites are NEVER on the recieving end of racial hatred...

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/hatecrimes.html

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/blac ... cuing-girl

yeah, it's from Rense, but that doesn't change the fact that these things happened.

http://www.rense.com/politics5/antiwhite.htm

http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/200 ... women.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... her_Newsom

http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

hell, I could find thousands of such incidences, but why bother?


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Someone can't tell when I'm being sarcastic.

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Blacks hate mexicans?! O RLY? Black people, who complain about racism, can be racists? Like teh Jews in Israel and teh Ay-rabs?


Me saying that black president does not equal death of racism does not equal only whites are racist.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders


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Someone can't tell when I'm being sarcastic.

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Blacks hate mexicans?! O RLY? Black people, who complain about racism, can be racists? Like teh Jews in Israel and teh Ay-rabs?


Me saying that black president does not equal death of racism does not equal only whites are racist.


that was in response to this:

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Tell every black, Jew and Muslim ever spat on in the street that racism is a social construct, see what they say.


Just pointing out that theose groups are not the only ones to be targeted because of their race.
And the double standard in regards to such things.


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Imagine me taking a deep breath, right here.

Right, but they have got it more than whites do, over the course of human history. Jews, blacks, and Muslims have faced more prejudism than whites have, and there's no way you can argue with that. surely, the odd nutter or not.


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Imagine me taking a deep breath, right here.

Right, but they have got it more than whites do, over the course of human history. Jews, blacks, and Muslims have faced more prejudism than whites have, and there's no way you can argue with that. surely, the odd nutter or not.


Well, I'm sure that that is a big concilation to their families...

the violent crime statistics cited by the FBI say otherwise: Black on White crime is way out of proportion to the opposite... check the FBI crime stats.
I call BS.

http://www.racismeantiblanc.bizland.com/005/06-02.htm


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Blacks hate mexicans?!


Why? :sad:


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More miserable families on one side, V... really, we've had this argument multiple times over the course of this thread, and nothing has changed in the arguments, and I really don't want to kick it all off again. If you totalled up all the white-on-black crime since the dawn of creation, chances are it would outweigh the recorded b-o-w crime statistics - 54.33483% of which are made up anyways. Can't we go back to healthcare?


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More miserable families on one side, V... really, we've had this argument multiple times over the course of this thread, and nothing has changed in the arguments, and I really don't want to kick it all off again. If you totalled up all the white-on-black crime since the dawn of creation, chances are it would outweigh the recorded b-o-w crime statistics - 54.33483% of which are made up anyways. Can't we go back to healthcare?


Oh, I'm not looking for a fight, but saying things like

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is bogus.
And even if not, well, what are whites supposed to do? Grab their ankles?
Are you actually trying to justify black on white crime, (made up, you say? Back that up, my man, with facts; 'til then, I'll just ignore that little tidbit)?
Fuck that.

But indeed, lets not blow this whole thing out the water, I was merely countering your implicit statement that only whites are racists, or at least have never experienced racism, racial hate, whatever.
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implies just that.


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Of course, the big question is, are we counting the house of blues and its white pseudo bluesmen as a "crime" or not? Because that might tip the balance.

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