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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:16 pm 
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JEWISH NSBM damnit! The ultimate suicidal music, bitch!


hahaha, Malefic, eat yer heart out.


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hey guys christian bm lyrics

Again I stare
without really being able to
-illusions

The verity terrifies
the dreams, the lies I deify
In despair I fail to understand
whether the dreams create the scruples
or the other way around

As the eyes begin to sting
I am swallowed by an abstract state
The spirit of indifference is here

Apathetic, searching
The sorrow feels preposterous
within this psychotic chaos
The will smoothers
the spew from the past

Weakened I dry out the faith
and then kiss its forehead
uncertain
slavering

This inner depression is a sort of religious
(apocalyptic)
No clammy hands can alter me
My God
Alleviate the many distressed
I firmly proclaim,
Hand out the water to those who thirst


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as long as it doesn't involve guys bragging to me about how they paid 350$ for a Vlad tepes tape then I don't particularly care what the imagery involves.


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 Post subject: Re: Black metal and symbolism
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Discuss.. What is the relation? Are bands less less black metal if they do not use inverted crosses, pentagrams and other satanic/anti-religious symbols?

In my opinion, no. The genre should be based on the music not by the symbolism. Others might disagree.


If you remove the satanic symbolism from Venom, you get Motörhead. Or take away the corpsepaint from King Diamond or Immortal. It wouldn't be the same. Esp. on the stage, the show is sometimes just as important as the music. A black metal band in with yellow or blue t-shirts and red or green pants and flowers in the Hair and a peace sign on the drums would look a little bit silly...or not? :D


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I'd say the unifying aspect of bm is that it's music designed to appeal to negative emotions/ evoke a negative atmosphere.

That would include anti-religious anger, depression, racial hate, sadness at the modern world and a longing to return to the good old pagan times, etc.

As long as the composition techniques/production/playing are in the ballpark and its some kind of negative atmosphere/emotion (eg hate, sadness, depression) being portrayed its bm......

At least thats how I think of it.


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racial hate
I think that is not BM - that's stupid. They can hate all human, but special races is a thin ice to walk.


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racial hate
I think that is not BM - that's stupid. They can hate all human, but special races is a thin ice to walk.


So Drudkh, Hate Forest (Roman Saenko is apolitical? pfffffft) Nokturnal Mortum, Iuvenes, Graveland etc aren't black metal purely because they are racist?


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following the reaper wrote:
racial hate
I think that is not BM - that's stupid. They can hate all human, but special races is a thin ice to walk.


So Drudkh, Hate Forest (Roman Saenko is apolitical? pfffffft) Nokturnal Mortum, Iuvenes, Graveland etc aren't black metal purely because they are racist?


No, they are still Black Metal - but not because they are racist. That makes them idiots too. Or elsewise: Racism is not necessary to make Black Metal.


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I think some sort of hatred is necessary though, whether it's at Christianity, or life itself, or TEH J00S, or even your parents. Black Metal is supposed to be opposition itself, anti-something, so racism is a relevant topic. Doesn't mean that I agree with it, of course.


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I think some sort of hatred is necessary though, whether it's at Christianity, or life itself, or TEH J00S, or even your parents. Black Metal is supposed to be opposition itself, anti-something, so racism is a relevant topic. Doesn't mean that I agree with it, of course.


Exactly. At least they have a point, not just music cause it sounds cool or its br00tal.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
racial hate
I think that is not BM - that's stupid. They can hate all human, but special races is a thin ice to walk.


So Drudkh, Hate Forest (Roman Saenko is apolitical? pfffffft) Nokturnal Mortum, Iuvenes, Graveland etc aren't black metal purely because they are racist?


No, they are still Black Metal - but not because they are racist. That makes them idiots too. Or elsewise: Racism is not necessary to make Black Metal.


Yeah but the point is, they are expressing racial hate through the music. Le black metal needs some kind of hateful/sorrowful emotion to back it up. Hating teh Jews is as valid a reason to make hateful music as any.


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Maybe when Gaahl's clothing designer boyfriend breaks up with him we shall have some new and groundbreaking themes in bm presented to us by God Seed (:lol:). The day ballads enter black metal :ph34r: Or perhaps just a new assault charge.


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Maybe when Gaahl's clothing designer boyfriend breaks up with him we shall have some new and groundbreaking themes in bm presented to us by God Seed (:lol:). The day ballads enter black metal :ph34r: Or perhaps just a new assault charge.


Acoustic/piano interludes (or the entire Kveldssanger album) are black metals version of the ballad anyway.


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Not to mention Natassja, Fenriz' beloved Satanic witch, and Erik, raping the angels and stuff.


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A hate for everybody and everythingis as fucking stupid as loving everybody and everything...
And why is hating a particular group any more, or less, logical than hating ALL mankind? That "hatred for mankid" shit makes me laugh.
The same with so-called suicidal BM; some of it is pretty decent, but the whole premise seems to be the height of pretentious, attention seeking twat-hood. Hate living? Do it already.


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Most of my problems with Black Metal have to do with the sybolism and all that crap, satanic lyrics and imagery is a big part of metal and i have no problem with that, but metal should be about the music, the whole im more trver than you because i kill jews, truly beleive in satan, burn churches, hate mankind and all of the phillosophy crap has nothing to do with metal and is actually detrimental to the black metal genre, i find very sad that a lot of kids fall for this kind of gimmicks and cosider them to be "trv" black metallers, i tell you people that the worst kind of posers that i have ever met are the so called "trve black metal" fans although its also true that the most knowledgeable and dedicated metalheads i know like Black Metal too.

I for one dont hate genre, Bathory is one of my favourite bands and i do enjoy ocasionally some Darkthrone, Mayhem, Immortal, etc. its the whole "gimmicky" part of the genre that i hate with a passion.


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Trouble is, the fact that so many Churches were burnt and people killed over it does give it a certain je ne sais quoi... The sheer intensity and depth of feeling in Black Metal is rarely reproduced in other genres.


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Goat wrote:
The sheer intensity and depth of feeling in Black Metal is rarely reproduced in other genres.


Quoted for truth.
That's what makes it so great and that is incidentally how one seperates the wheat from the chaff; that kind of intense emotion, what-have-you, cannot be faked.


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following the reaper wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
racial hate
I think that is not BM - that's stupid. They can hate all human, but special races is a thin ice to walk.


So Drudkh, Hate Forest (Roman Saenko is apolitical? pfffffft) Nokturnal Mortum, Iuvenes, Graveland etc aren't black metal purely because they are racist?


No, they are still Black Metal - but not because they are racist. That makes them idiots too. Or elsewise: Racism is not necessary to make Black Metal.


Yeah but the point is, they are expressing racial hate through the music. Le black metal needs some kind of hateful/sorrowful emotion to back it up. Hating teh Jews is as valid a reason to make hateful music as any.


Hating the Jews is just fucking bullshit and NSBM is as stupid as Christian Black Metal. Nazi Punks Fuck Off!

This guys are just nazis who abuse music for their ideology.


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Since the genre is called NS (National Socialist) BM, you've just stated the obvious, BRAVO! :lol:

That said, fuck the nazis, indeed.


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