Metal Reviews

It's not really about "evilness"; it's more about the harshness and scuzziness of the vocals and the production that Destruction and Sodom have but Slayer don't.

Surely it's not the 'eeevil' element, but the music itself? Old Slayer is more Judas Priest than it is Black Metal... what we call BM nowadays was started by Bathory/Venom/Mayhem etc, surely? Just because Motorhead had influence on it doesn't mean we call them Black Metal.

Edit: yeah, what rio said.

But when you call Venom BM, and Slayer had much Venom influence (Black Magic)...or would you say, they were not Black Thrash, because of the better production???

You have to consider Venom is BM in the first place... They're as much BM as Steppenwolf or Blue Cheer or heavy metal (aka the prehistory of...).

People just don't refer to those bands as Black Thrash these days. Early Black Metal had Thrash elements just as early Death Metal did, but that doesn't mean we have to have this sort of tiresome argument over which genre it belongs to.

You're right, bitch... So right.

Cheers for that... takes one to know one.

We metal bitches know when a fellow-bitch's around!

Cause you're all in heat at the same time?

You should know, bitch.

I liked you better when you didn't post.

If you can't tell the difference between Black metal and Thrash, you should stop posting about it and learn a bit more.

Seriously this whole Sodom, Destruction and Slayer is Black Metal / Black Thrash bit is fucking stupid.

The second wave was most probably very influenced by those bands, but there is nothing in common With Burzum, Darkthrone or Mayhem (the big three of the second wave) and Destruction, Slayer and Sodom musically... the riff structures are totally different, the drums are totally different and the vox are totally different.

Is Deicide, Morbid Angel etc. Black / Death Metal?
Or early Motley crue Black / Glam?
No.

V, the voice of wisdom. Who would have thought that possible...

Don't pretend to be shocked, hahaha.

Shocked, no. A tad surprised that we finally can get along I must say...
And you're damn right by the way but all those youngsters just don't get it. They're missing the perspective of time and the wisdom that comes with age.

Such an old man comment.

I will grant that early, early Sodom and even Hellhammer had some of the qualities of what was to become Black Metal, but Slayer and Destruction? Get the fuck outta here.

But listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4QZ9oh8jw

then, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmNOaG1KBA

and tell me there is any similarity at all.

Anyone who thinks black/thrash is just thrash should listen to earlier Desaster, Absu, Rotting Christ.

It involves thrah elements fused with harsh vocals and the tremolo picked leads/arpeggios of black metal bands, oftentimes also including bm-style drumming and keys.


On another note, Venom have always sucked, they are not black metal, and they didn't influence any of the second wave bands.