Blackmetal - Powermetal 14-0

AngelRipper16 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:24 am

Trooper Of Steel wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

The point of a review website is to review albums, whether the staff personally find them uninteresting or not. Staff who take a bias approach to reviewing will never last long in this gig. You may say that the new Primal Fear is shit and that's your opinion, but there are some of us who would like to see the review and possibly given more than one opinion.
I myself found it fantastic, but thats the great thing about metal, we all have different tastes and opinions.

Not doing a particular review cos you find it shit is quite unprofessional in my opinion. I've had to write reviews that I wasn't too interested in, but I did them because thats my job and I did it with no bias and reviewed it on its merits and qualities. Thats what makes me an excellent writer/reviewer.

But this is not about me, let's back on with the issue at hand...

I don't think that is what he meant. He was talking about the stuff that has been missed and just mentioning the new Primal Fear as an example. If he has a pile of albums ready to be reviewed, like the new Jorn and Primal Fear, he'd proably first do the album that didn't bore him to death... and different people wants different albums reviewed, right? Can't please everyone no matter how you try... even if you're an excellent writer/reviewer :lame:

And now that I've answered your post for Thomas, we can get back to the main thing: this site needs more power metal. :wub:

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

AngelRipper16 wrote:

Trooper Of Steel wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

The point of a review website is to review albums, whether the staff personally find them uninteresting or not. Staff who take a bias approach to reviewing will never last long in this gig. You may say that the new Primal Fear is shit and that's your opinion, but there are some of us who would like to see the review and possibly given more than one opinion.
I myself found it fantastic, but thats the great thing about metal, we all have different tastes and opinions.

Not doing a particular review cos you find it shit is quite unprofessional in my opinion. I've had to write reviews that I wasn't too interested in, but I did them because thats my job and I did it with no bias and reviewed it on its merits and qualities. Thats what makes me an excellent writer/reviewer.

But this is not about me, let's back on with the issue at hand...

I don't think that is what he meant. He was talking about the stuff that has been missed and just mentioning the new Primal Fear as an example. If he has a pile of albums ready to be reviewed, like the new Jorn and Primal Fear, he'd proably first do the album that didn't bore him to death... and different people wants different albums reviewed, right? Can't please everyone no matter how you try... even if you're an excellent writer/reviewer :lame:

And now that I've answered your post for Thomas, we can get back to the main thing: this site needs more power metal. :wub:

No. This site needs more variety. It's becoming too much of "Extreme Metal Reviews".
And I've listed a few albums earlier in this thread that don't just include power metal btw.

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

cry of the banshee wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.

Yeah, but c'mon now... a representative from a site that is 99% power metal whining about the lack of Power metal here is ridiculous. How fucking lame would it be if a bunch of MR's reviewers and posters popped in at the MCDR's and whined about the lack of Thrash / Black / Doom/ etc. reviews there? It would be stupid and pointless. The internet has many many resources; if you can't find what you are looking for in one place, there are other places to look. It's mind-numbingly simple, really.

Seriously, what's the problem?

Honestly, V., I rarely set foot at MCR. I don't like the layout and I don't like how it's only oriented towards the most melodic metal either.
I want VARIETY. And I want it here because MR is my a reliable site and I know reviewers are sincere.
So, the problem is if this is "Extreme Metal Reviews" then better get rid of the other sections, change the name of the site and I'll have no problem with it but chances are I'll be gone too.

AngelRipper16 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:38 am

Lucifer's Son wrote:

AngelRipper16 wrote:

Trooper Of Steel wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

The point of a review website is to review albums, whether the staff personally find them uninteresting or not. Staff who take a bias approach to reviewing will never last long in this gig. You may say that the new Primal Fear is shit and that's your opinion, but there are some of us who would like to see the review and possibly given more than one opinion.
I myself found it fantastic, but thats the great thing about metal, we all have different tastes and opinions.

Not doing a particular review cos you find it shit is quite unprofessional in my opinion. I've had to write reviews that I wasn't too interested in, but I did them because thats my job and I did it with no bias and reviewed it on its merits and qualities. Thats what makes me an excellent writer/reviewer.

But this is not about me, let's back on with the issue at hand...

I don't think that is what he meant. He was talking about the stuff that has been missed and just mentioning the new Primal Fear as an example. If he has a pile of albums ready to be reviewed, like the new Jorn and Primal Fear, he'd proably first do the album that didn't bore him to death... and different people wants different albums reviewed, right? Can't please everyone no matter how you try... even if you're an excellent writer/reviewer :lame:

And now that I've answered your post for Thomas, we can get back to the main thing: this site needs more power metal. :wub:

No. This site needs more variety. It's becoming too much of "Extreme Metal Reviews".
And I've listed a few albums earlier in this thread that don't just include power metal btw.

I agree. If there were perhaps two reviews covering Prog each new week, two covering Power, two covering Death, two covering Thrash, two covering Heavy... and so on.

Trooper Of Steel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:38 am

noodles wrote:

Reviewers should be as biased as possible because what they know best and what they can write best is their own opinion. When thery trying to describe the general reception of an album or on its "objective" merits, it makes the writing so boring that I want to bang my head against a wall.

Ok then, noodles...so lets say that you hated ummmm nu-metal with a vengeance and you were required to review a nu-metal album (that in it's genre was the best album for its year). Because you hated it so much, your bias against it would show up in your review. The review would be poor and given a bad "score", despite the album actually being really good.

Would you be happy reading that review? Those are the reviews which I choose not to read, because the bias is so overwhelming, the review hasn't been given a fair go....

Lucifer's Son wrote:

See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.

No it doesn't.

Trooper Of Steel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:48 am

Lucifer's Son wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.

Yeah, but c'mon now... a representative from a site that is 99% power metal whining about the lack of Power metal here is ridiculous. How fucking lame would it be if a bunch of MR's reviewers and posters popped in at the MCDR's and whined about the lack of Thrash / Black / Doom/ etc. reviews there? It would be stupid and pointless. The internet has many many resources; if you can't find what you are looking for in one place, there are other places to look. It's mind-numbingly simple, really.

Seriously, what's the problem?

Honestly, V., I rarely set foot at MCR. I don't like the layout and I don't like how it's only oriented towards the most melodic metal either.
I want VARIETY. And I want it here because MR is my a reliable site and I know reviewers are sincere.
So, the problem is if this is "Extreme Metal Reviews" then better get rid of the other sections, change the name of the site and I'll have no problem with it but chances are I'll be gone too.

It's not totally the most melodic metal, there is power metal, modern heavy metal and dark metal there too, and gothic metal gets a mention as well...

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

Yeah, that's what I call the most melodic metal... No thrash, death, black or post metal.
It lacks variety as much as MR does lately but with a poorer layout and no interactive section.

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:57 am

Trooper Of Steel wrote:

Ok then, noodles...so lets say that you hated ummmm nu-metal with a vengeance and you were required to review a nu-metal album (that in it's genre was the best album for its year). Because you hated it so much, your bias against it would show up in your review. The review would be poor and given a bad "score", despite the album actually being really good.

There aren't really any genres I hate with a veangeance and I don't think someone should review an album they don't have an interest in. It's better to just ignore it and promote stuff that they actually like.

Lucifer's Son · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm **Posts:** 2016

This is clearly the kind of debate that will never end because both parties are right. I think the best thing to expect is to see new reviewers devoted to other genres that those covered lately reinforce the MR team. That's the only solution I can think of.

moonchild · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:08 am

Oh God Boys....what a drama...and all because someone needed to write a PM to one of the main heads....saying that they feel that a bit more variety would be appreciated....!!!! This thread did not have the intention (from my perspective...after having read the full length of the bastard...what a load of dribble with some almost adult communication and expression!!) of comparing sites (impossible...all sites share their own uniqueness and are what they are for a reason.....different people run them, therefor they will never be the same and i doubt they would ever want to be!). Whatever happened to "Metal Brothers"....liking different genre's yes....but united in their METALNESS!!!! Cmon Guys...let the anger go and allow the staff to work at creating some balance (as for most of them...they did share that they had different talents and interests in differing genre's...and that the meaning of this thread was heard...and some folk are stepping up to give it a bit more balance!!). Dont compare your metal...you simply just cant...and as Humans...we have the right to appreciate different styles..and not pressure others into liking what we like!!! :dio:

Trooper Of Steel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:19 am

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Yeah, that's what I call the most melodic metal... No thrash, death, black or post metal.
It lacks variety as much as MR does lately but with a poorer layout and no interactive section.

Oh, ok. I get ya.

Well, Clint wanted the site to be primarily power metal and of late, has added other genres, such as dark metal, modern heavy metal and gothic metal. I think it was always his choice not to include the heavier side of metal, i.e black, death, doom metal.

Thats his choice and its fine, there are sites dedicated to just a select type of metal genres.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:49 am

Lucifer's Son wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.

Yeah, but c'mon now... a representative from a site that is 99% power metal whining about the lack of Power metal here is ridiculous. How fucking lame would it be if a bunch of MR's reviewers and posters popped in at the MCDR's and whined about the lack of Thrash / Black / Doom/ etc. reviews there? It would be stupid and pointless. The internet has many many resources; if you can't find what you are looking for in one place, there are other places to look. It's mind-numbingly simple, really.

Seriously, what's the problem?

Honestly, V., I rarely set foot at MCR. I don't like the layout and I don't like how it's only oriented towards the most melodic metal either.
I want VARIETY. And I want it here because MR is my a reliable site and I know reviewers are sincere.
So, the problem is if this is "Extreme Metal Reviews" then better get rid of the other sections, change the name of the site and I'll have no problem with it but chances are I'll be gone too.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. You know as well as I know that this place is like the tide in regards to genre.
I just found it ironic that a review site that excludes Thrash, Black, Death, Doom and any of the more "extreme" (hate that phrase) styles has the sac to complain that this site is not well-rounded enough. and then insults it's members with this:

Quote:

I don't believe it, and nor will I waste my time in that (forum) section. The threads turn into garbage after the first few replies. I'm surprised that you are okay with wasting your time on those threads. The reviewers already spend enough time and effort writing the reviews and shouldn't need to spend additional time on the nonsense that follows.

Bullshit. The interaction, both the good and bad, is why this site is so cool.

Trooper Of Steel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:31 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

metal_xxx wrote:

Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.

See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.

Yeah, but c'mon now... a representative from a site that is 99% power metal whining about the lack of Power metal here is ridiculous. How fucking lame would it be if a bunch of MR's reviewers and posters popped in at the MCDR's and whined about the lack of Thrash / Black / Doom/ etc. reviews there? It would be stupid and pointless. The internet has many many resources; if you can't find what you are looking for in one place, there are other places to look. It's mind-numbingly simple, really.

Seriously, what's the problem?

Honestly, V., I rarely set foot at MCR. I don't like the layout and I don't like how it's only oriented towards the most melodic metal either.
I want VARIETY. And I want it here because MR is my a reliable site and I know reviewers are sincere.
So, the problem is if this is "Extreme Metal Reviews" then better get rid of the other sections, change the name of the site and I'll have no problem with it but chances are I'll be gone too.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. You know as well as I know that this place is like the tide in regards to genre.
I just found it ironic that a review site that excludes Thrash, Black, Death, Doom and any of the more "extreme" (hate that phrase) styles has the sac to complain that this site is not well-rounded enough. and then insults it's members with this:

Quote:

I don't believe it, and nor will I waste my time in that (forum) section. The threads turn into garbage after the first few replies. I'm surprised that you are okay with wasting your time on those threads. The reviewers already spend enough time and effort writing the reviews and shouldn't need to spend additional time on the nonsense that follows.

Bullshit. The interaction, both the good and bad, is why this site is so cool.

I think what he means is that sometimes the back and forth slinging matches get out of hand and are for the most part, unnecessary.

GeneralDiomedes · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:21 am

Seriously people, use the search function and find out for yourself if this site is really nothing but extreme metal reviews.

Thomas · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:14 am

Sorry guys, what would happen if I reviewed the new Primal Fear and gave it a bad score? Then you would whine about how I reviewed it without being a particular fan or something. That's what would happen, make up your minds.

And

I'm not getting aggressive, I defend what we're doing because I don't think that we're missing out by much in 2009. If 1-5 albums is much for a site where the reviewers are doing this on their spare time, then you guys may have become too demanding.

What would this site be without Zad and Charles then? You would obviously whine about the lack of black/death/thrash metal and you would call it powermetalreviews.com. Just sayin'

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:18 am

metal_xxx wrote:

Sorry guys, what would happen if I reviewed the new Primal Fear and gave it a bad score? Then you would whine about how I reviewed it without being a particular fan or something. That's what would happen, make up your minds.

And

I'm not getting aggressive, I defend what we're doing because I don't think that we're missing out by much in 2009. If 1-5 albums is much for a site where the reviewers are doing this on their spare time, then you guys may have become too demanding.

What would this site be without Zad and Charles then? You would obviously whine about the lack of black/death/thrash metal and you would call it powermetalreviews.com. Just sayin'

You guys are doing fine, don't listen to the bullshit.

ganeshaRules · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:23 am

Well. First of all, MR is varied, perhaps one weeks more than other, but it's up to the reviewers. There's no place like this, cause the interaction and a lot of awesome forgotten reviews as Dark Quarterer.

But there's nothing wrong in more interactivity and variety, there're two threads that should be readed by the reviewers (a lot do it already), the classics "What classics thread", for classic and archive, and the upcoming albums, for recent albums.

Ans a place where Steel Panther, Paramore or Korn are reviewed is far from ExtremeMetalReviews.

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:20 am

I'd firstly just like to facepalm at this thread in its entirety, and to say that a new, improved, all-singing, all-dancing Requests thread is in the pipeline, incorporating the What Classic thread too. Like Ganesha said, any site that reviews Paramore, has the Rush and Pearl Jam catalogues and is very open to different genres is not extrememetalreviews.com (something I answered on the first page of this thread!) and considering the number of weeks we've had in the past where only Power Metal-related stuff has been reviewed, there's very little to complain about.

Thanks for the continued support, everyone.

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