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Let me start by saying that it pains me to read how ungrateful some of you guys are. We dedicate a lot of our spare-time to writing reviews for this site so that you can discover new and interesting stuff to listen to. I don't see the archives-issue to be honest. I try to include a couple each week, but the site policy, a part of it at least, as far as I remember is to be up to date on the newer releases rather than filling out back catalouges, so we probably have to stick with that.

I'll admit that there are some archives that's missing, but why don'y you give us hints on what you want? PM us, e-mail us with whatever requets you have, and I know that I at least will try and do most of them. 80s metal is indeed awesome though, and I'll try and include more of it.

Remember that we also recieve a bunch of promos of new stuff we have to review to keep the labels happy.

And H_T, even though I know you now your metal and all, I have to say that some of your posts are extremely shit and generalizing as if you're always right, and your opinion is the most important.


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Really??? Black Metal is not a high profile genre?? That is complete and utter nonsense. If you were to take a poll of all metal bands on the planet, as ridiculous as that sounds, the overwhelming majority would be grindcore death metal, and retarded black metal. Why, your silly little mind may ask??? Because what once was the cultest and most underground genre, has become insanely popular, coupled with the fact that anyone can strum an un-tuned guitar with a fuzz box on it and sing like they are in pain, it has become oversaturated. All the little underground fan boys who I see hugging Fenriz's nutsack on the Darkthrone forum, and all the Hot Topic boyz who worship Varg, will buy anything that has a logo that looks like its bleeding. This site is guilty of it too, and you're right, I did leave out Melodeth, which is another appallingly stupid genre that is reviewed to no end.

I may enjoy obscure 80's bands more than the bands I've mentioned above, but I've never advocated doing exclusively obscure metal bands. In fact, I've suggested quite the opposite. I've been calling for classic metal reviews....I don't know how an obscure band can become classic. Some may point to the Satan review as evidence of this, but, at the time Satan were hugely popular and influential. So I'm not calling for people to only listen to bands they've never heard of before, all I'm saying is there is more value in looking to the past to discover bands that were spawned in the midst of metal's zenith, than in listening to new bands that have nothing to offer.

the classics are classics for a reason, and just because some groups are more recognized than others, should not deter you from giving them your attention.

Again, I need to clarify for all of you small brains out there. I am not saying what you all think I've trademarked, that we should only listen to obscure 80's bands....this is not true....I'm merely saying we should listen to more of them :D.


A lot of modern Black metal sucks, true. But a good amount of it is killer, as well.
But what in the hell does that have to do with Darkthrone or Burzum?
It's no secret that I am one of the biggest advocates of 80's Metal, but the first four Darkthrone albums are no less pure metal than anything from the 80's. In fact one of the things about the second wave was how pure it was, and why their are so many purists that listen to black metal. Their are still honest black metal artists, is it their fault that so many ride on their coat-tails?
Dude, a lot of the bands that you list from days of yore are not as good as you try to make them out to be, and yes I've fucking heard them, in their time, not posthumously.

Bah, I'll take me some Darkthrone over some wimpy assed Satan or Crimson Gloryany day of the fucking week.


:dio:

Agreed with a lot of this, especially the last part.

Personally, I find the whole "old-school" attitude pretty depressing. Of course, a lot of that music is gold, and deserves unearthing here through archive and classic reviews. But the idea that a weekly metal zine should be deprioritising new releases in favour of "hey look at this cool 80s band" is just nonsense.


Of course.
You guys are obligated to review new releases, it's just common sense.

I don't know where H_T gets the strange idea that all it takes to make Black metal is untuned (WTF!?!) guitars and some guy shreiking in pain.
Typical catergorization of the genre made out of ignorance.
And that is the exact same argument that the non-metal listening populace makes in regards to metal: it is just a bunch of noise behind some guy screaming.
Total bullshit, of course.

Anyone that is unable to discern good black metal from the plethora of shit wannabes, then they have no business talking about it.


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Hey, if someone wants more 80s reviews, why don't they apply to become a reviewer?!?


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Indeed.
I vote for H_T as an archive only reviewer! :P


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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


There's a Hot Topic-ish store here that sells Burzum shirts.


And?


I wouldn't be surprised if kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum.

And?


I guess Burzum are marketed towards teenage boys while Paramore are marketed to teenage girls? idk, I was just responding to what Legacy said.


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noodles wrote:
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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


There's a Hot Topic-ish store here that sells Burzum shirts.


And?


I wouldn't be surprised if kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum.

And?


I guess Burzum are marketed towards teenage boys while Paramore are marketed to teenage girls? idk, I was just responding to what Legacy said.


Not through any device of Varg, I'll guarantee that.
And what exactly does any of this have to do with anything?
Are you seriously comparing Burzum to Paramore?


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Paramore did a song for Twilight soundtrack, and the actor from Twilight is playing Varg so they're only 2 degrees of separation apart, so I don't see what's wrong with comparing them


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noodles wrote:
Paramore did a song for Twilight soundtrack, and the actor from Twilight is playing Varg so they're only 2 degrees of separation apart, so I don't see what's wrong with comparing them


You base your ideas on some bullshit out of Hollywood / clothing distribution rather than the actual music?

:lol:

Funny thing: I was at a CD store once and they had a Burzum section and they also had a section for Rhapsody.


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You're the one who mentioned Paramore being on the Disney channel.


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You're the one who mentioned Paramore being on the Disney channel.


Yeah, and?
I (am almost positive) saw them on the Disney channel; now if I see Burzum on the Disney channel, you might have a point, there, but other than that...

Honestly this is retarded; anyone that thinks Burzum and Paramore have an inkling of anything in common is beyond help.

Next.


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They both use guitars and lots of power chords, yo.


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Noodles is funny :lol:


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metal_xxx wrote:
Let me start by saying that it pains me to read how ungrateful some of you guys are. We dedicate a lot of our spare-time to writing reviews for this site so that you can discover new and interesting stuff to listen to. I don't see the archives-issue to be honest. I try to include a couple each week, but the site policy, a part of it at least, as far as I remember is to be up to date on the newer releases rather than filling out back catalouges, so we probably have to stick with that.

I'll admit that there are some archives that's missing, but why don'y you give us hints on what you want? PM us, e-mail us with whatever requets you have, and I know that I at least will try and do most of them. 80s metal is indeed awesome though, and I'll try and include more of it.

Remember that we also recieve a bunch of promos of new stuff we have to review to keep the labels happy.

And H_T, even though I know you now your metal and all, I have to say that some of your posts are extremely shit and generalizing as if you're always right, and your opinion is the most important.


You're right. I did generalize, but I took the most commercially successful and stereotypical descriptions of those genres to save myself the time of having to describe in detail every genre of black metal or power metal. That is why I referred to those genre's "various incarnations."

Also, I never say that any of you are wrong. I was merely expressing my opinion and if I just happen to use words like "stupid" and "generic" sometimes to describe the above mentioned genres, then I am entitled to use those words. Its an expression of opinion, not fact. I never tell anyone that my opinion is better than their's or that they are wrong. I make my point in the way that I think seems best. My opinion is merely what works for me. Consider my posts suggestions and less preaching. Make a note of it, and stop getting so angry.

Also, keep in mind that my basic suggestion is that there should be more focus on classics than on new BM and PM bands. The great majority of them play cookie cutter trend metal and offer nothing new. That's not to say all of them do. But, the great majority do. So less BM and PM reviews in general will result in less time wasted on generic shit. More focus on older material or classics will result in greater variety, and because of the filter that the passage of time puts on older music (the good stuff tends to last the longest), greater quality. People want to hear and learn about metal, correct? How can that education be advanced without knowledge of the past?

Ok I'm done.


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Also, in regards to what you [Metal XXX] believe to be a lack of classics suggestions, the "What Classics do you want to see reviewed" threat is bursting with suggestions. Perhaps some way to tabulate those suggestions could be forumlated and then three reviews done out of the pool. Weekly of course. Judging from that thread there is just as much classic material that hasnt been reviewed yet as there is new stuff. Plus, I know for myself, I find it very helpful when getting new music, especially for lesser known or older albums, to be able to refer to a review site for opinions. Metal-Archives is pretty good, but a lot of the times the reviews are done by idiots. Based on the quality of reviews done here, I think this would be a much more suitable forum.


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Yeah, I didn't mean that thread in particular. I thought of the Archives. But hey, I do agree with you that older metal is more important than the newer shit, and that's why I try to fill people in with Dark Quarterer, Cirith Ungol, Pagan Altar and Brocas Helm and the likes.


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Yes, indeed. Don't think that I wasnt aware. I guarantee quite a few people had never heard of the majesty of Dark Quarterer before that review.


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On the topic of Burzum and Hot Topic, I know a lot (and I mean a LOT) of scene kids who claim to like Burzum. Might be for the "lol Nazis" side of it more than anything else, but even so.


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Wow, cannot believe someone would honestly whine about the reviews on here.. For me, I think this site has the most diverse collection of metal reviews possible.. If Black Metal is not your thing then, skip over them, like Goat said some weeks you simply see more of one genre release CD's than others... To the staff here, you guys are the best and it is because of your reviews that I have experienced more new music than ever before... You are the best there is!


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How touching. In response to your post.....this is not whining. This is the robust exchange of ideas that provides for greater variety and gets people out of their comfortable little sphere where everything is happy and how they like it. How do you expect to grow if you are never challenged?? If you want a place where the status quo is never changed, then become a republican, or a mormon, otherwise, welcome to reality.


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Holy_Terror wrote:
Perhaps some way to tabulate those suggestions could be forumlated and then three reviews done out of the pool. Weekly of course.


Again, we're not going to review more than one classic per week. Only one will show up on the main page, and classics aren't included in the newsletter, so it just doesn't make sense to do it. Perhaps this can be fixed in the future, but for the time being, one a week is the max. We're really trying to do one every week though, and the number of non-classic archives per week are increasing as well, and should continue to now that we just added 5 new guys to our ranks.


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