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Newsted's homepage had four remixed tracks from AJFA with audible bass. Or you can find it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAvwod7BBK0&fmt=18

Hoglan would've dominated on that album though. Speaking of him, I wish SYL's Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing could be redone. I know it is industrial and all it just has a nasty sound to it.


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No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.


Don't get me wrong, I think Justice is a good album (though the weaker of the first four) but Lars' drum sound is just horsecrap! :mad:
??? When something is crap on this album, it's the absence of bass. And the whole thing sounds a little bit dry and hollow. The drums are not better or worse than on the previous albums. Ok, Lars is not Lombardo or Portnoy, but I think there's nothing wrong on AJFA, what the drums concerns.


Not often I'll agree with you, but if Justice needed one thing it was more bass.


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Actually, AJFA probably had Lars' best performance in his entire career.


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5/3/// wrote:
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No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.


Don't get me wrong, I think Justice is a good album (though the weaker of the first four) but Lars' drum sound is just horsecrap! :mad:


That was the drum sound on every album that was not a hair metal release in the late 80's.

Rush used the same mixing technique in the late 80's too which was basically to bring everything in the mix up an octave.

The production of that album was nothing more than the product of late 80's production techniques, not an attempt to insult jason newsted.

The reason people aren't aware of that is because not many Metallica fans own a lot of pop records from the period that feature very much the same sound. The difference here is Metallica's guitar tone kind of masked Jason's Bass. The band could have helped themselves a lot by doing what geddy lee did, which was to use much thinner bass strings, then it would have cut through the mix a lot more.

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Adveser wrote:
5/3/// wrote:
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No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.


Don't get me wrong, I think Justice is a good album (though the weaker of the first four) but Lars' drum sound is just horsecrap! :mad:


That was the drum sound on every album that was not a hair metal release in the late 80's.

Rush used the same mixing technique in the late 80's too which was basically to bring everything in the mix up an octave.

The production of that album was nothing more than the product of late 80's production techniques, not an attempt to insult jason newsted.

The reason people aren't aware of that is because not many Metallica fans own a lot of pop records from the period that feature very much the same sound. The difference here is Metallica's guitar tone kind of masked Jason's Bass. The band could have helped themselves a lot by doing what geddy lee did, which was to use much thinner bass strings, then it would have cut through the mix a lot more.

Rush never had that crappy drum sound. Nonsense!


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Death - Scream Bloody Gore
(even though many like it that way)

Indeed, and as you mentioned, few days ago I was talking about the same thing and he claimed, that re-record would ruin the magic of it...


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Adveser wrote:
5/3/// wrote:
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No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.


Don't get me wrong, I think Justice is a good album (though the weaker of the first four) but Lars' drum sound is just horsecrap! :mad:


That was the drum sound on every album that was not a hair metal release in the late 80's.

Rush used the same mixing technique in the late 80's too which was basically to bring everything in the mix up an octave.

The production of that album was nothing more than the product of late 80's production techniques, not an attempt to insult jason newsted.

The reason people aren't aware of that is because not many Metallica fans own a lot of pop records from the period that feature very much the same sound. The difference here is Metallica's guitar tone kind of masked Jason's Bass. The band could have helped themselves a lot by doing what geddy lee did, which was to use much thinner bass strings, then it would have cut through the mix a lot more.


But why didn't they use the mid 80s production technique like on Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning, which had a much much much much much better sound than AJFA? Even Kill em All was better produced than the latter...


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Adveser wrote:
No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.
The better the stereo, the worse the sound gets.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
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No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.
The better the stereo, the worse the sound gets.

Cool, I'd best get my old Fisher Price cassette player/recorder from the attic then.

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Well, the better the stereo, the more details get to the front and the more you can hear and the more the bad sound comes to the surface.


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i disagree. the idea that you'd hear more bad stuff on a good stereo seems right in theory, but in my experience the better the stereo, the better the music sounds.


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Hm, Transilvanian Hunger doesn't sound better on my Yamaha E410 than on my old Logitech 5.1 pc system. :wink:

Another album: Cradle of Filth - Cruelty and the Beast. I don't know why it sounds so bad, because the albums before (Dusk...) and after (Midian) are sounding much better.

And Rage - Welcome to the Other Side. They've such a great production on XIII and Ghosts but then...it sounds like a demo recording...(but it could be the best music album of all time!).


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Hm, Transylvanian Hunger doesn't sound better on my Yamaha E410 as on my old Logitech 5.1 pc system. :wink:


:rolleyes:


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Haha, but I alway thought that AJFA had a bad sound. Somehow lifeless and too cold.


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Everything after In the Nightside Eclipse should sound fuzzier. Emperor sucks with a clean production.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
Another album: Cradle of Filth - Cruelty and the Beast. I don't know why it sounds so bad, because the albums before (Dusk...) and after (Midian) are sounding much better.


It's the drum triggers. You can't tell the snare drum from the bass drum, and it annoys the fuck outta me.


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following the reaper wrote:
Everything after In the Nightside Eclipse should sound fuzzier. Emperor sucks with a clean production.


+1

Ihsahn is a killer vocalist ONLY when you can't hear him properly. Anthems gets a pass, though, because it's awesome.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
Well, the better the stereo, the more details get to the front and the more you can hear and the more the bad sound comes to the surface.

Hahahah, I bet you vote left-wing :lol:


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Dago wrote:
noodles wrote:
rio wrote:
Actually, most of the Coroner albums for me don't have a nice sound at all. At least, it doesn't remotely do justice to the music itself.


for some reason they were the first name to come to mind for me, too, even though i don't mind the recording quality on any of their albums except maybe the first.


+1
Plus, mediocre production in thrash metal is acceptable. Unlike other genres.


IMO it depends on the type of thrash... something very heavy bad production could be ok for, but not something like Coroner... that needs a fairly clean sound to my ears


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
Adveser wrote:
5/3/// wrote:
Adveser wrote:
No way. I love the way Justice sounds.

Get a better stereo or quit bitching.


Don't get me wrong, I think Justice is a good album (though the weaker of the first four) but Lars' drum sound is just horsecrap! :mad:


That was the drum sound on every album that was not a hair metal release in the late 80's.

Rush used the same mixing technique in the late 80's too which was basically to bring everything in the mix up an octave.

The production of that album was nothing more than the product of late 80's production techniques, not an attempt to insult jason newsted.

The reason people aren't aware of that is because not many Metallica fans own a lot of pop records from the period that feature very much the same sound. The difference here is Metallica's guitar tone kind of masked Jason's Bass. The band could have helped themselves a lot by doing what geddy lee did, which was to use much thinner bass strings, then it would have cut through the mix a lot more.


But why didn't they use the mid 80s production technique like on Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning, which had a much much much much much better sound than AJFA? Even Kill em All was better produced than the latter...


That isn't hard to figure out.

1. Label pressure
2. We weren't sure how to get low frequencies onto a CD or that we didn't know how high the threshold for distortion would be for these frequencies
3. again, most major labe albums had that particualr sound
4. Metallica was about to go more mainstream
5. In the attempt to promote CD tech, albums were given an overemphasis on treble sounds to showcase the fidelity and clarity of the media.

I think thats enough

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