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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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Whatever. Why do I get the feeling that you only respond in this thread whenever I post anything? Am I special?


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Whatever. Why do I get the feeling that you only respond in this thread whenever I post anything? Am I special?


Special? depends on how ya mean....
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Whatever. Why do I get the feeling that you only respond in this thread whenever I post anything? Am I special?


Special? depends on how ya mean....
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Anyone with an IQ in triple figures is clearly special to you Americans... it's just a pity you hold the double-digiters in even higher esteem! I think some good old eugenics should straighten you out, take the best and brightest and breed them in special farms to produce hyper-intelligent killing machines. Then people would respect America, goddamn.




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It's epic fail regardless. I don't see why you're getting in these butthurt arguments about it. America is fucked.


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The entire experience argument is bullshit in and out of itself. Historical studies have shown that experience has had no effect on the successes or faults of a presidency; some of the most experienced have had the worst ones and some of the least experienced have had the best ones, and vice versa. If I ever bring it up in a Palin debate, its only because a month ago all Republicans were constantly bringing it up as a major reason for why Obama shouldn't be president... But since Palin was added onto the McCain bill, inexperience is suddenly okay.


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Says who? You?


No, not me. The guy next door. Jesus?

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The US is in dire straits, we don't need some rookie empty suit mouthing slogans. And his background is pretty sketchy.
You rely too much on "studies"... studies show a lot of things and many times they are contradictory. And I could cite studies that I know you would disagree with.
Would you want someone with no experience to take over your corporation? Especially at a time like this?
And, Palin is NOT running for the top spot.... and besides, why would inexperience suddenly be ok when Palin has more than Obama? You got it backwards; before Palin, inexperience was not an issue, now suddenly you hear the left bringing it up...


Dude, have you been following the campaign? The number one criticism of Obama by the Republicans and Hillary Clinton has been his lack of experience. Here, for example, is an article from March in which McCain attacks Obama for it:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... ma-ha.html

And another one from earlier in March in which Clinton stated that McCain and her have experience, while Obama doesn't:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01 ... 6372.shtml

And while I think its stupid for the left to bring it up about Palin, I think its even worse that the Republicans are now hypocritically pretending its not an issue for them. They argued the inexperience card when it suited them, but the choice of Palin shows the whole thing is a pile of shit. And I find it hilarious that you're denying that the Republicans have been doing it, blaming the democrats for it, and then attacking Obama for being inexperienced, all in one post.

And by study, I don't mean polls which change from week to week. I mean very simple historical analysis which shows which presidents have had experience, which haven't, and their general success rating in American history, which are generally agreed upon. And its pretty clear that experience is irrelevant to how well you run a country. Both Palin and Obama have enough experience to qualify themselves as politicians; that's all that matters. And Zad is damn right to bring up the Bush administration as an example of extremely experienced politicians who were nonetheless horrible at running a government.

So, if you don't like Obama, whatever, thats your thing (though if you automatically dislike him because of his race, I do lose a lot of respect for your opinion). I don't like Palin, and I lost a lot of respect for McCain when he chose her as his running mate. But lets leave all this experience bullshit out of this, especially since everyone who argues about it from both sides can't do so without hypocrisy.


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It's epic fail regardless. I don't see why you're getting in these butthurt arguments about it. America is fucked.


The arguments are merely amusing distractions to pass the time, since, as you stated the US is fucked.
Bought, paid for, bled dry, fucked and left for dead.

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The entire experience argument is bullshit in and out of itself. Historical studies have shown that experience has had no effect on the successes or faults of a presidency; some of the most experienced have had the worst ones and some of the least experienced have had the best ones, and vice versa. If I ever bring it up in a Palin debate, its only because a month ago all Republicans were constantly bringing it up as a major reason for why Obama shouldn't be president... But since Palin was added onto the McCain bill, inexperience is suddenly okay.


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No, not me. The guy next door. Jesus?


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The US is in dire straits, we don't need some rookie empty suit mouthing slogans. And his background is pretty sketchy.
You rely too much on "studies"... studies show a lot of things and many times they are contradictory. And I could cite studies that I know you would disagree with.
Would you want someone with no experience to take over your corporation? Especially at a time like this?
And, Palin is NOT running for the top spot.... and besides, why would inexperience suddenly be ok when Palin has more than Obama? You got it backwards; before Palin, inexperience was not an issue, now suddenly you hear the left bringing it up...


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Dude, have you been following the campaign? The number one criticism of Obama by the Republicans and Hillary Clinton has been his lack of experience. Here, for example, is an article from March in which McCain attacks Obama for it:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar ... ma-ha.html

And another one from earlier in March in which Clinton stated that McCain and her have experience, while Obama doesn't:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01 ... 6372.shtml

And while I think its stupid for the left to bring it up about Palin, I think its even worse that the Republicans are now hypocritically pretending its not an issue for them. They argued the inexperience card when it suited them, but the choice of Palin shows the whole thing is a pile of shit. And I find it hilarious that you're denying that the Republicans have been doing it, blaming the democrats for it, and then attacking Obama for being inexperienced, all in one post.

And by study, I don't mean polls which change from week to week. I mean very simple historical analysis which shows which presidents have had experience, which haven't, and their general success rating in American history, which are generally agreed upon. And its pretty clear that experience is irrelevant to how well you run a country. Both Palin and Obama have enough experience to qualify themselves as politicians; that's all that matters. And Zad is damn right to bring up the Bush administration as an example of extremely experienced politicians who were nonetheless horrible at running a government.

So, if you don't like Obama, whatever, thats your thing (though if you automatically dislike him because of his race, I do lose a lot of respect for your opinion). I don't like Palin, and I lost a lot of respect for McCain when he chose her as his running mate. But lets leave all this experience bullshit out of this, especially since everyone who argues about it from both sides can't do so without hypocrisy.

Politics = hypocritical bullshit; smug lawyers in $3,000 suits and executive haircuts smiling the same old scripted lies to our faces about how they are going to make a change... has anything really changed? Fuck no, unless of course, you mean by change things getting worse.
I don't automatically dislike Obama because of his race, I dislike him because he is part of the Democrat party; how apropos, that they are represented by a donkey... you know they are fucking somebody long and hard; Hey, the Republicans, too.
They both have sold out this country so badly that I fear it is beyond redemption.
The two party "choice" is an illusion devised to divide and conquer; they keep us bickering about red herring issues, while they give it to us hard, laughing their asses off all the way to the bank, while the rest of us try to eke out a living. Anybody that still clings to the notion that America is for the people, by the people, needs to get their head out of their culo.
It's all bullshit, man.

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1. Why are black people inferior to whites and asians?
2. Where do Hispanics fit into your little chart?
3. Jews?
4. Native Americans?

Each question is worth 25 marks, the paper will be marked out of 100. You should spend no less than an hour in total on each question.


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Zad wrote:
1. Why are black people inferior to whites and asians?
2. Where do Hispanics fit into your little chart?
3. Jews?
4. Native Americans?

Each question is worth 25 marks, the paper will be marked out of 100. You should spend no less than an hour in total on each question.

Sorry, but I don't answer to you.
Who do you think you are?

I'll ask you a question:
How have blacks proven they are equal to people of European extraction and Asians?
Strictly pass / fail.
Try not to hurt your yourself over this, though.

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Whatever. Why do I get the feeling that you only respond in this thread whenever I post anything? Am I special?


Special? depends on how ya mean....
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Anyone with an IQ in triple figures is clearly special to you Americans...




:lol: :P


Well, that counts you out.
I was thinking you're more along the lines of "short bus" special...

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cry of the banshee wrote:
Zad wrote:
1. Why are black people inferior to whites and asians?
2. Where do Hispanics fit into your little chart?
3. Jews?
4. Native Americans?

Each question is worth 25 marks, the paper will be marked out of 100. You should spend no less than an hour in total on each question.

Sorry, but I don't answer to you.
Who do you think you are?

I'll ask you a question:
How have blacks proven they are equal to people of European extraction and Asians?
Strictly pass / fail.
Try not to hurt your yourself over this, though.


Jesus, V, you can't make statements like:

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I am not going to lie, though, and pretend that I think blacks in general are equal to Europeans or Asians, 'cause I just don't see any evidence of it, but that (really) isn't germaine to the topic at hand.


and not expect to be called on it! You made the racist statement, YOU try and defend it.


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I'm still undecided, but I find it ridiculous when people deify one candidate while saying the other is a liar, corrupt, moron, etc.

The sooner all you Obama lovers on this forum realize that he is no different from any other politician (i.e. an underhanded and ruthless individual who will say and do anything to get elected) the better off you'll be. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all of the McCain hatred on this forum since the Democrats are the choice party of younger voters. The sad thing is that we young voters in the US are notorious for talking alot, then not having the initiative to actually get out on election day and fucking VOTE. That's one of the biggest reasons why Kerry lost in '04. If Obama can manage to change this, he's got this one in the bag.

And seeing clips of candidates fumbling through the occasional stump speech or interview matters just less than jack shit to me. I dare say that if any of us were required to travel the country endlessly making speeches and giving interviews nearly everyday, there'd be more than a few verbal fuck ups along the way.

Bottom line is that both candidates, regardless of what half assed reasons anyone can find to the contrary, appear to be supremely anti big business. Obviously we can't say this about the current administration. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if both stick to their stated formula, there will be positive changes in the long run. Whomever I end up voting for, I will reserve my judgment on his worth until after I see what he actually does, as opposed to picking apart the constant stream of BS that comes out of any politician's mouth on the road to election.


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Oh, I wasn't trying to say that Obama is the be all end all of politicians, or that his presidency will usher in a new era of puppies and love (though I do agree more with Democratic principles than Republican ones, so I would probably vote for him if I were American). All I'm trying to do is get the experience argument out, because it is bullshit from both angles.


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I never said I was actually in favour of Obama - he's the lesser of two evils. I'd much rather it was Biden v McCain, with the woman and the black man scrapping it out as VP-elects.


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Oh, I wasn't trying to say that Obama is the be all end all of politicians, or that his presidency will usher in a new era of puppies and love (though I do agree more with Democratic principles than Republican ones, so I would probably vote for him if I were American). All I'm trying to do is get the experience argument out, because it is bullshit from both angles.


Oh I agree with you about the experience argument, and I surely wasn't referring to you with my statement, or anyone here in particular for that matter.

I've got neighbors, friends, family, etc on both sides of this, and for some reason the majority of them have lost all form of reason due to their preference for one or the other.

For example, my friend called me the other day to slam McCain for going to DC to sit in on the financial crisis negotiations and potentially suspending the debate, saying that its just a political stunt on his part. This is how the responses after that went:

Me: "How do you know he doesn't generally feel that the crisis is more important and wants to help in some small way?"

Friend: "I just do!"

Me: "It sounds like you don't know shit about shit to me. Take off your Obama goggles"

Friend: "It's not like he's going to help anyway, he's just one man"

Me: "Well that's a great attitude to have. I keep hearing you rattle on about how Obama is going to change Washington. He's just one man too. Your blind liberal bias is making you into a hypocrite."

Friend: "No, that's different"

Me: *Facepalm*

See, that's the kind of shit I'm talking about. Don't let your preference for one candidate turn you into a Kool-Aid drinking mouthpiece for him. They both have their pros and cons, and one is not much better or worse than the other in my opinion.


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The people I hate the most are women. wtf is their problem?

And there are so many of them... I read somewhere that there are more of them than there are men. WTF? yeah right

Now one of them might be president someday...


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The people I hate the most are women. wtf is their problem?

And there are so many of them... I read somewhere that there are more of them than there are men. WTF? yeah right

Now one of them might be president someday...


I will actually admit that most women I meet do not earn my respect. But Palin's just a mad bitch. Putin would wipe the floor with her.


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It's all bullshit, man.


I like the way you think.


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Zad wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
Zad wrote:
1. Why are black people inferior to whites and asians?
2. Where do Hispanics fit into your little chart?
3. Jews?
4. Native Americans?

Each question is worth 25 marks, the paper will be marked out of 100. You should spend no less than an hour in total on each question.

Sorry, but I don't answer to you.
Who do you think you are?

I'll ask you a question:
How have blacks proven they are equal to people of European extraction and Asians?
Strictly pass / fail.
Try not to hurt your yourself over this, though.


Jesus, V, you can't make statements like:

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I am not going to lie, though, and pretend that I think blacks in general are equal to Europeans or Asians, 'cause I just don't see any evidence of it, but that (really) isn't germaine to the topic at hand.


and not expect to be called on it! You made the racist statement, YOU try and defend it.



You can sit here and say you rarely meet women that earn your respect?
Well, that how it is with me and blacks.
They have done next to NOTHING as a group to EARN my respect.

I don't need to defend anything, and it wasn't the question, (which I don't mind answering) as much as the condescending tone it was delivered with. I expect that, though. It seems to be a liberal trait, smug arrogance.

Where to start?
Crime stats? Academic stats? Contributions to architecture, music, art literature? Contributions to Philosophy? Government?Contributions to science? Personal / parental responsilibity and work ethic? Drug and alcohol abuse? Unemployment?
The axiom that the amount of crime, illiteracy, drug use, and poverty is DIRECTLY proportional to the number of blacks living there?
What happened to Haiti? At one time it was called the Jewel of the Sea, or something like that; Whites were driven out and murdered... the rest is history. Look at Africa, a continent that would have died off long ago if not for (mainly) white charity.
That's not racist, it's telling the truth. Look at any major American city.
The fact is, there are numerous program designed to "level the playing field" with little to no avail.
I grew up in some rough neighborhoods where the racial breakdown was around 50% black, and trust me, I know what I am talking about.
Don't blame "racism", because that's bullshit. And even if it weren't that doesn't change anything. The fact that one group of people dictates the fate of another suggests an inequality, now, doesn't it?
And the fact that some people believe that blacks need to be given special deferential treatment is in and of itself racist, now, isn't it?
Do you really believe that there is a worldwide conspiracy to keep blacks down?
Why can eastern Indians, Vietnamese, Mexicans, etc. come here with little or nothing and make something out of themselves?
Because they do not have a victim mentality instilled in them where they think they are owed something. Because they work hard and do not expect instant gratification. Because they emphasize education and sacrifice (while blacks generally seem to look at those that try to educate themselves with scorn and derision, calling them "uncle Toms", Oreos, trying to be white, etc.)
One thing I can guarantee is: employers see one color, GREEN. They will hire the person that is more profitable.



As for Mexicans, Jews and Amerindians...
I have no problem with hard working Mexicans; they have family values and they come here to work.
I honestly have only met one or two jews, and they seemed nice enough.
Never met any Amerindians on a personal level, so no comment.

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How have blacks proven they are equal to people of European extraction and Asians?
John Coltrane and the other amazing jazz artists. Jimi Hendrix,Living Colour, Bootsy Collins and Parliament. Richard Wright, Ralph Ellison, Phillis Wheatley, Langston Hughs, Toni Morrison, Octavia E. Butler and Frederick Douglass. Thurgood Marshall.

And yeah you're right that reverse racism in the form of affirmative action and similar rubbish are moronic and enabling black americans to use race as an excuse.


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